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poppasketti said:

Here’s a quick test of the Tie with gold trim instead of red.

https://vimeo.com/525241929
pw: fanedit

[Edit: Burbin, sorry, didn’t mean to post so quickly together. That looks nice!]

“So I told Poppasketti to change the color of this TIE Fighter and he actually did it, the absolute madman!”

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Well, are ya, punk?

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DZ-330 said:

Awesome! Nice seeing your idea become a reality. Great work Burbin!

Edit: After watching a few times I would suggest maybe making the purple a little stronger. I feel like the blue is drowning it out a little. Or maybe slow down slightly while she ignites the blade.

Oh it wasn’t my idea, I’m not sure who first suggested it, I actually hadn’t even noticed the green and blue flashes when she ignites the saber, and I think it should remain subtle. But I’ll see if I can work on it some more once I get the original shot.

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Burbin said:

DZ-330 said:

Awesome! Nice seeing your idea become a reality. Great work Burbin!

Edit: After watching a few times I would suggest maybe making the purple a little stronger. I feel like the blue is drowning it out a little. Or maybe slow down slightly while she ignites the blade.

Oh it wasn’t my idea, I’m not sure who first suggested it, I actually hadn’t even noticed the green and blue flashes when she ignites the saber, and I think it should remain subtle. But I’ll see if I can work on it some more once I get the original shot.

I suggested and was talking about my idea haha. I think it would be a nice nod to the audience showing that Rey used Leia and Luke’s kyber crystals to build her own. I feel it helps sell “Rey Skywalker” more. The more noticeable, the better.

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hehehe. I’ll see if I can make it more goldy when I get a chance, but it may depend on what works best across all of the shots. I think it’s also okay if it’s more yellow anyway?

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DZ-330 said:

I suggested and was talking about my idea haha.

Ohh I see now haha 😃 well it was a good call.

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poppasketti said:

hehehe. I’ll see if I can make it more goldy when I get a chance, but it may depend on what works best across all of the shots. I think it’s also okay if it’s more yellow anyway?

That works for me, whatever works for each shot and it does look different.

I still think there should be a bumper sticker: #HateSandLikeGrandDad

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Hey all, I’ve thought of more potential changes! Woo hoo! (Hal’s gonna have me banned, I’m sure of it.) I’ve provided mock ups.

  • Removed Poe saying that destroying the Nav Tower will trap the First/Final Order on Exegol “for just minutes.” It directly contradicts how the battle is only won because the command ship is destroyed. (“The fleet is stuck here! They’re toast! We don’t have to worry about them ever again!”) J.J. and Chris hinged the outcome of the entire war on this plot point, and they messed it up. I mean, Jesus Christ…
  • Recut Leia’s Death March - Why does she hobble away leaning on Billie Lourd for support? Why is she so weak and feeble? She hasn’t even done anything yet! Can’t Leia’s final moments be a show of strength?
    • Plus, it removes Maz looking directly at the camera and telling us, “Leia’s about to kill herself. Just FYI!” If we can remove more unnecessarily overt dialogue, I’m all for that.
    • This is also our last time seeing Leia’s actual face; and now the whole scene is focused around her… Instead of Maz? A character that has never even been in the same shot as Carrie Fisher? That’s…meaningful, I guess?
  • Reworked the Resistance arriving on Exegol so that Pryde doesn’t switch over the Nav Tower controls.
    • This section admittedly involves a lot of recutting, but that fact does give us more room to play around with, if you want to reorder some of the scenes from how I’ve laid them out here.

There are a number of reasons for doing this change:

  1. If the movie is going to establish that the Nav Tower control can be switched to different towers, why not just switch it to a different one after the command ship goes kablooey? If we can imply that there’s only one usable Nav Tower, we can eliminate one of the 63,398 plot contrivances surrounding the Exegol Battle.
  2. With Pryde no longer busy playing hot potato with his navigation signal, it feels instead like he’s ready to deploy the fleet at any moment, raising the tension and the stakes of the battle.
  3. Switching the Towers willy-nilly is the “culmination” of the “Force-sensitive Finn” “story “arc”” which has been cut from Ascendant up to this point. It feels strange to leave in the last piece of that underdeveloped trash heap without the rest of it. (It felt strange with the rest of it included too. It’s just strange.)
  4. Minor gripe - in the wide shot (before the binocular zoom), the Nav Tower is visibly firing ion shots at the Resistance fighters. This is either another visual continuity error, or another plot contrivance - why doesn’t the tower have any defenses when the Resistance is right on top of it? Seriously, what the heck is this?

This movie is going to kill me. 😄

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If we’re throwing in things to consider that the community might be able to help with (ideas that have been thrown around before here and elsewhere)…

  • Adding lava to some of the Mustafar shots.
  • Change Rey’s line to “I will earn your FAMILY’S saber,” which just makes more sense on a few levels.
  • Add a line for Leia after saying “no” to Rey going on the mission. Something like “You’re not ready.” Scene feels a little awkward.
  • Add Finn saying to Jannah “We all have to fight” so it seems like he had some influence on her decision to join the resistance (paying forward his TLJ arc).
  • Change Luke’s line to “Leia sensed the BIRTH of her son,” which seems more fitting.
  • Give Rey a different outfit in the final scene, either all black or grey, or partially black or grey.
  • Recolor the saber burial cloth to be black and add a hole so it appears to be Ben’s sweater, so she’s burying things that belong to all three ghosts.
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Sherlock, I think the way the nav-tower works is that they didn’t blow it up, they blew up the power source for it, which delayed the ships taking off. Though it’s not at all clear in the movie, I’m pretty sure that was their plan all along - to just stall the fleet long enough for Lando & Co to arrive (because if deactivating the tower is enough to stop the fleet then why do they need Lando’s help at all?). It isn’t until Finn & Jannah destroy the command deck that the fleet gets stuck there for good.

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Ed Slushie said:

Sherlock, I think the way the nav-tower works is that they didn’t blow it up, they blew up the power source for it, which delayed the ships taking off. Though it’s not at all clear in the movie, I’m pretty sure that was their plan all along - to just stall the fleet long enough for Lando & Co to arrive (because if deactivating the tower is enough to stop the fleet then why do they need Lando’s help at all?). It isn’t until Finn & Jannah destroy the command deck that the fleet gets stuck there for good.

So…the First/Final Order just needs one of its millions of personnel to find a battery, and they’ll be able to recharge the tower and be on their way? Does the tower on the ground plug into the same power source as the tower on the space ship? And why would destroying one ship (the command ship) cause the rest of the fleet to be stuck (unless it’s in charge of their navigation signal)? The command ship wasn’t the Resistance’s target - nor was it of any importance - until it assumed navigational control. And they didn’t even know for sure that anyone would show up, so their plan wouldn’t have deliberately hinged on whether or not they got reinforcements.

This is all kind of expanding on the problem I pointed out - this Nav Tower idea is so messy that it’s hard to follow both the goals and the stakes of the battle. If we streamline it to “Take out the navigation tower on that command ship and the fleet will be stuck,” we avoid all of this confusion.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:
http://chng.it/T28FMJj9QV

The problem with this petition is that it’s based on the JJ cut nonsense. We have no evidence that JJ was forced to cut the movie down any more than any other movie has to be cut down for run time. The “Disney Star Wars is Dumb” source the petition links to is a repost of a post originally from /r/saltierthancrait, clearly intended to stir up controversy and almost certainly fabricated.

It’s like the QAnon thing - there’s a whole culture of Star Wars fans, and particularly YouTubers, who buy in to this enormous divide and conflict at Lucasfilm because of their supposed insiders, and are sure that any day now Joe Biden Kathleen Kennedy will be suddenly ousted or arrested or something. With Justice League, the BTS issues were well-known, obvious, and corroborated by the actors. The “JJ cut” idea is just a desperate attempt to apply that same concept to this movie, even though TROS didn’t bring in a second director for reshoots or anything similar.

My point is there’d probably be more of a chance of success with a straight forward petition to release the deleted scenes we know were shot, rather than bringing in unsubstantiated speculation and begging for a cut that doesn’t really exist.

Sorry, this isn’t anything to do with Ascendant.

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sade1212 said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:
http://chng.it/T28FMJj9QV

The problem with this petition is that it’s based on the JJ cut nonsense. We have no evidence that JJ was forced to cut the movie down any more than any other movie has to be cut down for run time. The “Disney Star Wars is Dumb” source the petition links to is a repost of a post originally from /r/saltierthancrait, clearly intended to stir up controversy and almost certainly fabricated.

It’s like the QAnon thing - there’s a whole culture of Star Wars fans, and particularly YouTubers, who buy in to this enormous divide and conflict at Lucasfilm because of their supposed insiders, and are sure that any day now Joe Biden Kathleen Kennedy will be suddenly ousted or arrested or something. With Justice League, the BTS issues were well-known, obvious, and corroborated by the actors. The “JJ cut” idea is just a desperate attempt to apply that same concept to this movie, even though TROS didn’t bring in a second director for reshoots or anything similar.

My point is there’d probably be more of a chance of success with a straight forward petition to release the deleted scenes we know were shot, rather than bringing in unsubstantiated speculation and begging for a cut that doesn’t really exist.

Sorry, this isn’t anything to do with Ascendant.

Abrams is also known for fast paced, rapidly moving films with little in the way of extra scenes released. He’s never going to release an extended cut on his own terms any way because that’s not his style.

From what I recall, it was Paramount that added the deleted scenes to the release of the 2009 Star Trek film, not Abrams.

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Reintroducing Palpatine in song would certainly be an improvement from “The dead speak!”

The navigation tower makes a certain amount of sense. I think if the changes you suggest were made, it may as well become the self-destruct button. The way it is here, they’re buying a window of time in which to open vulnerability to the fleet. It’s unclear whether other ships than the lead could take over that role. By simplifying this aspect of the plot even more I think it would make it feel dumber rather than less dumb.
It’s not my intention to remove Finn’s Force sensitivity altogether, just the awkward “OMG RAY I NEVER TOLD Y—“. He still has his conversation with Jannah, senses the nav tower change, and senses Rey’s death. There are more hints besides, and hopefully we get stories to come that capitalize on them.

I wouldn’t mind changing the line to “I will earn your family(‘s) saber,” and I think “the birth of her son at the end of her Jedi path” might work. Dunno if either are feasible with what we have at our disposal.

Darkening the color of the saber burial cloth is a good idea, I’m glad you brought that up again. I don’t know about Rey’s clothes though; it’d make more sense to me to have her wear black until that scene instead.

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sade1212 said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:
http://chng.it/T28FMJj9QV

The problem with this petition is that it’s based on the JJ cut nonsense. We have no evidence that JJ was forced to cut the movie down any more than any other movie has to be cut down for run time. The “Disney Star Wars is Dumb” source the petition links to is a repost of a post originally from /r/saltierthancrait, clearly intended to stir up controversy and almost certainly fabricated.

It’s like the QAnon thing - there’s a whole culture of Star Wars fans, and particularly YouTubers, who buy in to this enormous divide and conflict at Lucasfilm because of their supposed insiders, and are sure that any day now Joe Biden Kathleen Kennedy will be suddenly ousted or arrested or something. With Justice League, the BTS issues were well-known, obvious, and corroborated by the actors. The “JJ cut” idea is just a desperate attempt to apply that same concept to this movie, even though TROS didn’t bring in a second director for reshoots or anything similar.

My point is there’d probably be more of a chance of success with a straight forward petition to release the deleted scenes we know were shot, rather than bringing in unsubstantiated speculation and begging for a cut that doesn’t really exist.

Sorry, this isn’t anything to do with Ascendant.

I was merely sharing the most popular petition I found. No need to bring politics into this. I also found it strange how they linked that article, but I felt that wasn’t the main purpose of the petition. The purpose was for Disney to release a 3-hour cut of TROS, regardless of if JJ actually wants to or not. If you look at the Justice League petitions, one got a little over 100k signatures. I shared that one because it’s close.

You have to admit that, based upon the novel, it’s quite likely that a significant amount of content was removed. True, we don’t know how much of the extra content in the novel was filmed, but I’d be willing to wager a lot of it was. Not to mention the scenes they didn’t end up using due to rewrites.

EDIT: Should also clarify that the problem with asking for just the scenes to be released is that it wouldn’t have as much support, the effects wouldn’t be completed, and they would likely end up with the infamous timecode. Can’t imagine anyone here would be too happy to remove those damn things for all the scenes.

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Hal 9000 said:

Reintroducing Palpatine in song would certainly be an improvement from “The dead speak!”

The navigation tower makes a certain amount of sense. I think if the changes you suggest were made, it may as well become the self-destruct button. The way it is here, they’re buying a window of time in which to open vulnerability to the fleet. It’s unclear whether other ships than the lead could take over that role. By simplifying this aspect of the plot even more I think it would make it feel dumber rather than less dumb.
It’s not my intention to remove Finn’s Force sensitivity altogether, just the awkward “OMG RAY I NEVER TOLD Y—“. He still has his conversation with Jannah, senses the nav tower change, and senses Rey’s death. There are more hints besides, and hopefully we get stories to come that capitalize on them.

I wouldn’t mind changing the line to “I will earn your family(‘s) saber,” and I think “the birth of her son at the end of her Jedi path” might work. Dunno if either are feasible with what we have at our disposal.

Darkening the color of the saber burial cloth is a good idea, I’m glad you brought that up again. I don’t know about Rey’s clothes though; it’d make more sense to me to have her wear black until that scene instead.

To be fair, Star Wars is no stranger to self-destruct buttons. “Fire a torpedo at this exhaust port and the Death Star will explode!” “Destroy the core and the Death Star II will explode!” “Fire on the Oscillator and the Death Star III will explode!” It’s just a staple of the universe. And the tower is already inherantly a self-destruct button anyhow. How is it less dumb that there’s a fully working tower on the ground, and no one thinks to reactivate it? I’m just trying to streamline the concept and chip away at the obfuscations.

Heck, even the Prequels, in all of their convoluted glory, kept their space battles pretty straight forward. “Blow up the donut ship’s core and every droid on the planet will shut down!”

And as for Finn, just because we don’t directly imply that he’s Force sensitive at this exact moment, doesn’t refute any Force sensitivity that might happen down the line. And since John Boyega said he’s done with Star Wars at this point, that’s a big “might.” I’m not saying let’s have Rose slam Finn against the wall and scream “You’ll never be a Jedi!” while slapping him across the face; you can still read Finn and Fancy Free down the line, where Finn Force Pulls a lightsaber to him, and it won’t ret-con anything already set up. (Kathleen Kennedy’s very big on not ret-conning anything.) Besides, you removed Yoda using a lightsaber in your Prequel edits - doesn’t that implicitly contradict existing Expanded Material things (like Clone Wars), where he uses a lightsaber a lot? Not just some hypothetical future project that may-or-may-not actually happen. Why draw a line here?

I’m just saying, doesn’t it make more sense to try and make the most cohesive story possible here, rather than trying to set up hypothetical future projects for Disney down the line? Whether it’s introduced here or later on, Finn’s Force sensitivity comes out of nowhere with absolutely no setup; why force that crutch onto this story, rather than one in which it’s actually relevant?

Well, that’s my opinion, and Hal’s opinion. What does everyone else think?

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My two cents on the Finn Force-sensitivity subplot:

Personally, my biggest issue with it is that we don’t really get any indication that anyone else knows that Finn is force-sensitive. Him sensing the control tower thing at the end is probably his biggest use of the Force, but honestly, Finn’s general First Order knowledge could’ve been easily been the reason he figured that out. We don’t even get an opportunity for Rey or Poe to even acknowledge his Force-sensitivity, or a hint that Finn will be Rey’s first student.

I feel like you could recontextualize the “I never told you” stuff to imply that Finn has something he never told Poe. And then Poe could give that flirty look to Finn at the end of the film, rather than Zori, implying that he has known about Finn’s feelings for him. It is still very thin, but at least there is some kind of acknowledgement of this subplot at the end of the film, unlike Finn’s force-sensitivity stuff.

With that being said, I feel like the Finn force-sensitivity thing is something Hal is fine with and would rather keep in Ascendant. It would be cool if we could come up with some better payoff at the end, that implied Rey knows and will teach Finn the ways of the Force. Since we’ve moved the holochess scene to the end, maybe we could give Finn a Padawan braid? Lol. I feel like Finn could pull that look off.

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Just have one of those cheesy movie scenes where there is a picture of each character with a blurb of what happened to them after the events of the movie lol

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DZ-330 said:

Just have one of those cheesy movie scenes where there is a picture of each character with a blurb of what happened to them after the events of the movie lol

Lol, just like American Graffiti. Lucas’ vision comes full circle.

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I feel like Hal should re-include the references of Finn wanting to tell Rey something.

I’ve seen people criticizing how Finn wanting to tell Rey something was never resolved, but that was literally the point. Finn’s arc in TRoS was that he needed to let go of his attachment to Rey and move on from her altogether. The moment he lets go of Rey is when he and Jannah find her dueling Kylo Ren and she pushes him away with the Force, and after that he not only lets go of his attachment to Rey but also puts an end to his notion that he reveal his Force-sensitivity to her.

Now, yes, he does sense her death and give her a hug alongside Poe once she returns to Ajan Kloss, but his attachment isn’t as over-the-top as it was earlier in the film. If Finn had told Rey he was Force-sensitive at the end, then it would have undermined his entire arc.

(Note that I’ve posted this before, but just wanted to see if Hal can see this, this time)

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Finn’s BPD symptoms subside a little for at least the rest of the day. That’s his big arc in the movie.

Anyway, I don’t want to strip his Force sensitivity from the movie and I’m not really sure what more to say about it.

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