Unusual Sequel Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 81

Hivemind help request:

I’m working on a B&W sequel trilogy edit that, among other things, takes the Sith fleet attack from TROS and moves it up to happen during the slow chase of TLJ.

That thread breaks down like so:

• In TFA, Leia & Co find out about Starkiller & the Sith fleet existence at the same time,

• they attack Starkiller as the more immediate threat since they don’t know the Sith fleet’s location yet,

• Han (who survived Starkiller in this version) leaves immediately to round up an attack fleet with location to be sent to him later,

• R2 fills out BB8s map (which was to the fleet not Luke) to figure out where the Sith fleet is but Snoke & company ambush D’Qar before that info can be send to Han, & Leia doesn’t want to risk the transmission being intercepted and losing the element of surprise,

• Finn & Poe are eventually able to sneak away during the slow chase to lead that attack, while Holdo maintains the chase to keep the FO focused on them,

• The Sith fleet is defeated,

• Holdo maneuver helps Leia & survivors make it to Crait where the FO fleet, tho too stunned to mount a ground assault, sends in the Dreadnought that Leia avoided earlier in this version, so that battle now takes place over Crait while the Falcon heads down & picks up survivors and they jump away.

So I’ve now decided I want to use some ROGUE ONE footage as actions of a parallel cell of Leia’s group doing work to set up the Sith fleet assault while Holdo is distracting FO command (specifically as much of the Scarif infiltration as possible) and for that I need help figuring out a justification for that infiltration mission.

Like: maybe R2 doesn’t complete that map and the Jyn’s Scarif upload is the rest of the map?

Or maybe she’s uploading comms codes to allow the Republic force to jam FO signals in & out of Exegol, to keep the fleet from signaling for help or/and communicating with the Nav tower for directions?

Thoughts?

PS - I’m not necessarily worried about anachronisms because I play up the fact that FO and Leia’s group are using Imperial-era surplus, so with some judicious editing & a tad bit of disbelief suspension that should be fine.

It’s how he works. 90% of his comments are rude to others people’s work. I’m honestly surprised he hasn’t been banned yet. There’s a nicer way to provide constructive criticism.

DZ-330 said:

I’m honestly surprised he hasn’t been banned yet.

He has been banned actually lol

Let’s not start beef.
I see what you’re saying Anakin, but with an edit as radical as the one being proposed, some lore changes are inevitable - so it wouldn’t be too far-fetched to suggest that in this timeline some First Order legions still use the imperial armor designs.

Anakin Starkiller said:

It’s a little rude to just call theyre ideas dumb. Constructive criticism is helpful, but just judging something without giving any alternatives or ideas doesn’t help anytime.

I’m sorry. I’m not very good at gauging tone and tend to come off meaner than I intend. Could someone provide with an alternative wording to my earlier comment that would be considered not rude?

Folks, Anakin Starkiller has mentioned in a few places that he struggles with tone a little, which does buy a little tolerance - though obviously that’s not a free pass and being disrespectful is still problematic.

Anakin Starkiller, the thing that people are objecting to here is the calling of an idea ‘dumb’, because it can seem like a personal attack. All ideas are subjective (i.e. it’s a matter of personal opinion), so technically there’s no right or wrong here, and no bad ideas.

In a situation like this where you think an idea may not work, it’s best to say just that - “I think that might not work”, and then give your reasoning. That way you’re analysing the idea rather than appearing to criticise the person who had it.

It’s always best to avoid language which insults someone’s intelligence - “dumb”, “idiot”, “stupid”, etc - firstly because it’s never pleasant to hear, and secondly because it doesn’t give them any feedback which might help them refine their ideas and grow from. None of us are locked into our weaknesses, all of us are on a journey of personal growth at our own pace, so it’s always best to treat others as people who are growing, and where sensible it’s kind to hand them things (like encouragement, and good analysis of ideas) which might help them grow.

It’s also good to show that what you’re sharing is your own opinion (using “I think”, for example), rather than trying to pass something off as an objective fact (e.g. "That idea is bad)

So you might instead want to say something like:

Anakin Starkiller said:

I don’t think using Rogue One footage would really work, because it’s very clearly set during the OT. There’s no way to remove all the iconography in a way that would make it plausibly pass off as being in the ST era.

All of your analysis is still in place, but this way you’re showing that it’s just your opinion, and you’re talking about their idea, rather than appearing to attack their character.

You could take that further if you wanted to encourage the poster, and help them work through the challenges rather than writing the idea off before it gets off the ground:

Anakin Starkiller said:

I see exactly what you’re trying to do here, and this is a creative idea. How would you handle the aesthetic differences between OT-era Rogue One footage and Sequel-era footage? Without CG to change the Rogue One ships into sequel era ones, you’d need to find some way to explain or justify that the different ships in the two scenes are different ships of the same factions, what are you thinking of for that? The opening crawl is probably your most accessible possibility.

One thing you might also consider, Anakin Starkiller, is to add a signature to your posts. This would be a small message that would automatically appear under all of the posts you make here, and might help to avoid this situation in future. For example you could have it say “I apologise if the above message sounded rude - I have difficulty gauging tone.” It’s up to you whether or not you want that appearing on all of your messages though, it may not be something you want to broadcast. If you do want to do that, you can click on your icon in the top right, then ‘Your Account’, then type your message into the ‘Post Signature’ area and save.

If you do that, bear in mind it wouldn’t become a free pass though - it’s still important to think about the wording you’re using when challenging other people’s ideas.

That’s my pleasure. I’m certainly not an authority here - in my own thread you can see examples of where I’ve failed and have offended people. But I can speak from the experience of knowing I’m not a great communicator but always trying to be better.

What I can say for certain is that both you and GMatias have had a lot of great ideas each, worth pursuing.

Anakin Starkiller said:

I’m sorry. I’m not very good at gauging tone and tend to come off meaner than I intend. Could someone provide with an alternative wording to my earlier comment that would be considered not rude?

Apology accepted! On the face of it, without enough context or explanation, it can come off like a dumb idea for the very reason you mentioned. And in my haste to post, I probably didn’t make it clear enough that:

• It’s a Japanese-dubbed, English-subbed B&W edit of all three ST films broken into 15-20 min chapters, each with their own text prologue.

• I’m planning on using these extra prologues and massaged subtitles to help flesh out/change plot points.

• The Scarif footage plan is to focus on Jyn/Cassian/KSO’s break-in and squeeze in as much of the ground assault as comfortable & necessary for context, but leave out as much of the actual space-battle stuff as possible.

• The footage would be showing up at least halfway into the edit so I’ll have time to mention & hopefully reinforce the fact the FO is using both new tech AND Imperial-era surplus (which is where things like the Imperial-era Exegol fleet are drawn from), and Leia put together her Resistance cells using Rebel-era surplus that was abandoned, mothballed, or sold for scrap.

The Stormtrooper point is actually a good one and one I’ve thought about. For instance, I also want to put Cassian’s informant meetup earlier in the piece and the main red flag about that is the different trooper helmets. I’m hoping it will come off as if this FO detachment stuck policing a trading post is using out-dated equipment, aka old helmets. But it’s ultimately all in how the cut plays out.

And even if the ROGUE ONE footage plan doesn’t work, I would still have footage of Finn/Rose doing a similar type of enemy infiltration to do something that helps the attack on the Exegol fleet, just using the TLJ footage and marrying it with the Falcon scene from the beginning of ROTS and having Han flying the Falcon instead of Poe (which I might still do as well). But I’m trying to come up with the best reason for that infiltration (whomever does it) and I’m hitting a blank. Hence, the ask!

Oh man, I wish! I loved THE BLACKENED MANTLE and it’s a huge inspiration (clearly!). I’m just stealing that genius idea and trying to give it a bit of an extra spin back to some proto-STAR WARS roots in the process.

I really want to make a Blackened Mantle style ST edit because I have more defined ideas for how that might play out than a PT edit in that style. Is the Japanese voice acting any good for the ST? Because that was a big factor in Blackened Mantle’s creation, originally.

I think it’s pretty good, all things considered.