Thanks for the motivation/idea MR.
Have you ever wondered why Rey acts all confused in the ending scene when the ghosts start to appear? Well wonder no longer! She was hearing voices in her head.
After all, family is the thing that is always there for you (or at least it’s supposed to be).
Removing the “A thousand generations live in you now” line seems like the better option. Luke is implying that it is only her who can fight Palpatine and yet all the voices and ghosts appear. If it is Rey’s fight then why are they even showing up?!
Maybe removing that whole line and replacing with the below would be even better and lead to less contradictions?
“…someone who would finish her journey. We’ll always be with you. You’ll take both sabers to Exegol.”
To me it makes the Rey Skywalker scene at the end make more sense and is more personal. Luke is assuring Rey that him and Leia will always be with Rey, so when Rey sees them at the end of the movie it is just reassuring the familial bond they now have, and further reinforces why Rey is choosing her last name to be Skywalker. Plus, it removes the contradiction of it being Rey’s fight yet ALL the Jedi show up in spirit.
Whew… that was a lot lol
JEDIT: Plus it allows us to remove the last awful wig shot of Luke that jonh was having trouble with.
JEDIT 2!: It appears to show more of Luke providing wisdom to Rey rather than pushing off the fight on her.
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The line being inserted there feels a little disjointed to me, like it muddles the point Luke is making. Ideally it’d go after the ‘thousand generations’ line, but we obviously can’t do that.
We definitely can do this, but should we really?
For the lack of a better explanation; (Mainly because its 3am here) I honestly feel like at this point the more changes added to this film; is another step away from the original movie which I really wasn’t satifised by.
Don’t think the ‘thousand generation’ line should be moved/cut in anyway, It’s fine where it is. Definately would like to see the, “We’ll always be with you” implemented.
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Removing the “A thousand generations live in you now” line seems like the better option. Luke is implying that it is only her who can fight Palpatine and yet all the voices and ghosts appear. If it is Rey’s fight then why are they even showing up?!
Maybe removing that whole line and replacing with the below would be even better and lead to less contradictions?
“…someone who would finish her journey. We’ll always be with you. You’ll take both sabers to Exegol.”
To me it makes the Rey Skywalker scene at the end make more sense and is more personal. Luke is assuring Rey that him and Leia will always be with Rey, so when Rey sees them at the end of the movie it is just reassuring the familial bond they now have, and further reinforces why Rey is choosing her last name to be Skywalker. Plus, it removes the contradiction of it being Rey’s fight yet ALL the Jedi show up in spirit.
Whew… that was a lot lol
JEDIT: Plus it allows us to remove the last awful wig shot of Luke that jonh was having trouble with.
JEDIT 2!: It appears to show more of Luke providing wisdom to Rey rather than pushing off the fight on her.
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Sorry, Im personally not a fan of the whole "1000’s of generations of Jedi are in you … which is not true on any level. How many generations were in Luke? How about all the Jedi before? Wait, there wasn’t right? (yes)
Also, didn’t the whole “Jedi ghost stuff” appear due to the end of ROTS to be shown in the OT? So it wasn’t possible before? So … how can she have access to 1000 generations of something that isn’t there.
If I started recording something my room as of today … I don’t have access to any videos of my room prior to that since it didn’t start until recently.
SOrry … I just don’t get it and it completely dismisses/at odds with the movies before.
“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”
Removing the “A thousand generations live in you now” line seems like the better option. Luke is implying that it is only her who can fight Palpatine and yet all the voices and ghosts appear. If it is Rey’s fight then why are they even showing up?!
Maybe removing that whole line and replacing with the below would be even better and lead to less contradictions?
“…someone who would finish her journey. We’ll always be with you. You’ll take both sabers to Exegol.”
To me it makes the Rey Skywalker scene at the end make more sense and is more personal. Luke is assuring Rey that him and Leia will always be with Rey, so when Rey sees them at the end of the movie it is just reassuring the familial bond they now have, and further reinforces why Rey is choosing her last name to be Skywalker. Plus, it removes the contradiction of it being Rey’s fight yet ALL the Jedi show up in spirit.
Whew… that was a lot lol
JEDIT: Plus it allows us to remove the last awful wig shot of Luke that jonh was having trouble with.
JEDIT 2!: It appears to show more of Luke providing wisdom to Rey rather than pushing off the fight on her.
Me gusta.
Sorry, Im personally not a fan of the whole "1000’s of generations of Jedi are in you … which is not true on any level. How many generations were in Luke? How about all the Jedi before? Wait, there wasn’t right? (yes)
Also, didn’t the whole “Jedi ghost stuff” appear due to the end of ROTS to be shown in the OT? So it wasn’t possible before? So … how can she have access to 1000 generations of something that isn’t there.
If I started recording something my room as of today … I don’t have access to any videos of my room prior to that since it didn’t start until recently.
SOrry … I just don’t get it and it completely dismisses/at odds with the movies before.
I don’t think it dismisses the previous movies. When somebody (i.e. Jedi) die, they move from the Living Force to the Cosmic Force. In Clone Wars, they explain that Qui-Gon is the first to manifest as a being in the Cosmic Force, but they rest of them are still a part of it.
My interpretation of the line is: “Rey, all of these Jedi are one with the Force, and we will all come to you when you need us.”
It ties back to “Be with me,” with the Ghosts showing up at the end, and with the “destiny of the Jedi” thingy that Luke was prattling on about two minutes earlier.
Look, I lothe TROS, but I truly don’t believe there’s anything wrong with this line, canonically or thematically.
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TROS takes everything literally.
I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.
I don’t really agree with the argument that this line should be cut. On the most surface level, it could be interpreted that a thousand generations of knowledge/experience live in her through her training and the Jedi texts. She’s the last Jedi, and the legacy of their culture. And yeah, there is a “literal” aspect of the fact that they exist in the Force, and she could possibly commune with them.
Also, much like how Luke wanted the Jedi to die with him in TLJ, now he tells Rey that the Jedi live on with her. It stands in line with his sentiment at the Battle of Crait: Because of Rey, Luke was not ‘The Last Jedi’, and so the Jedi didn’t end with his sacrifice.
Although people are ok with it and come up with “interpretations” or “what he meant was …”
Isn’t that essentially excusing people or bad things/thinsg that don’t make sense.
A person goes to a place known for their steaks. A family comes in with their grand father and he says:
“I hate your steaks.”
Embarrassed, the family says “He didn’t mean that, What he meant to say is …”
It’s concerning we are getting to the point that its “ok” to have lines that make no sense in context to anything but its “ok” since we excuse it and make interpretations of things.
At least with the example of Kenobi in the OT, he was the one who made his explanation regarding his point a view. It wasn’t something that the audience had to come up with for an explanation … or “interpretation.”
“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”
Star Wars is a fairy tale story, and one of the hallmarks is taking figurative things and making them fairly literal. I complain about TROS seeming to lose nuance, but at its core that’s sort of how these things go. Maybe I’m hypocritical on this point at times. I just don’t want to feel dumb, which is subjective. Maybe that’s why I’ve always preferred crafted stories to gaming, video or otherwise.
I hear both the ‘thousand generations’ and ‘you have everything you need’ as figurative and substantial beyond their technical plot meanings.
Also, here’s how the added line would sound, fully implemented as nicely as I could get it. I used reversed footage for the Rey shot, but ideally interpolated frames would help further. Again, this change merits an extreme “meh” from me, but I mocked it up and we’ll see what you guys think:
I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.
Removed Finn telling Rey he “never told you—“ while the heroes sink in the quicksand, as well as two subsequent references to it
I disagree with this.
I’ve seen people criticizing how Finn wanting to tell Rey something was never resolved, but that was literally the point. Finn’s arc in TRoS was that he needed to let go of his attachment to Rey and move on from her altogether. The moment he lets go of Rey is when he and Jannah find her dueling Kylo Ren and she pushes him away with the Force, and after that he not only lets go of his attachment to Rey but also puts an end to his notion that he reveal his Force-sensitivity to her.
Now, yes, he does sense her death and give her a hug alongside Poe once she returns to Ajan Kloss, but his attachment isn’t as over-the-top as it was earlier in the film. If Finn had told Rey he was Force-sensitive, then it would have undermined his arc.
I disagree with this.
Of course you do.
I honestly don’t think there’s ANYTHING you agree with in regards to this edit. lmao.
Only more specific things.
I think this is one of those changes that works better as a concept rather than in actual practice. I just think the syntax of it is weird. If it was something like “A thousand generations live in you now… and we’ll always be with you… But this is your fight.”, it wouldn’t sound as wonky to me. But, I’m not sure if that’s possible.
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I think this is one of those changes that works better as a concept rather than in actual practice. I just think the syntax of it is weird. If it was something like “A thousand generations live in you now… and we’ll always be with you… But this is your fight.”, it wouldn’t sound as wonky to me. But, I’m not sure if that’s possible.
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Agreed. Technically, it sounds like it’s incorporated well into the scene; but structurally, it doesn’t flow. It’s just a bunch of sentences without any flow between them.
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I can also tell there is a bit of reversion at the end of the clip there.
Did we also dislike where I placed the line at the end of the movie? If so, I say we can put this whole line placement idea to rest.
Not gonna lie, I thought the line being added to the end scene was intended as humor.
I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.
You know how sometimes writing out a joke is interpreted as something serious? Well this is the exact opposite of that lmao.
Let’s just say it was a joke of mine, because I’m getting the impression that nobody likes it.
I didn’t hate it, Jar Jar. But that scene is infinitely more powerful with no dialogue at all.
“rEy WhO??”
EDIT: Wait…what if we just cut the lady out? Rey stands up, looks back, sees the ghosties, and flies away in the Falcon?
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EDIT: Wait…what if we just cut the lady out? Rey stands up, looks back, sees the ghosties, and flies away in the Falcon?
Kinda betrays the title of the movie. She needs to declare her newfound family.
Anyways, with the puppet show implemented soon, the ending scene will be a nearly exact replica of that Aki Aki lady asking for her last name. So the ending scene will be there to reflect her growth since then (she feels worthy to claim the Skywalker name now).
I can’t believe I overlooked your edit Jar Jar. I liked it!
My only advice is to make it more subtle. I’d like it to sound more like a whisper on the wind rather than the Voice of God, you know?
Also… Kind of ties back into how she kept on hearing the Sith Whispers throughout the movie!
I guess I went overboard on hyping up the clip and it was turned into a joke as a result lmao.
I agree, it needs to be much subtler because my goal was for it to be a reminiscent of the Jedi Voices scene from the climax.
EDIT: Wait…what if we just cut the lady out? Rey stands up, looks back, sees the ghosties, and flies away in the Falcon?
Kinda betrays the title of the movie. She needs to declare her newfound family.
Anyways, with the puppet show implemented soon, the ending scene will be a nearly exact replica of that Aki Aki lady asking for her last name. So the ending scene will be there to reflect her growth since then (she feels worthy to claim the Skywalker name now).
No no no, but hear me out…like Hal said, TROS takes everything annoyingly, uncomfortably literally - it feels the need to spell everything out, because it thinks the audience is stoopid and won’t understand subtext. But that doesn’t mean we have to. If Rey doesn’t outwardly declare herself a Skywalker at the end, the “Rise of Skywalker” could still refer to:
There are so many new and wonderful interpretations that could be made. It would be beautiful, and insightful, and poetic. It would stick in the mind as something worth pondering. “What does “Rise of Skywalker” truly mean?”
Or…Rey can just usurp the family name. That’s…meaningful, I guess?
EDIT: Maybe the lesson is, “Rather than be defined by the sins of your family, you can just pretend to not be related to them”? That’s…I mean, I wouldn’t call it “poignant,” but…
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Although people are ok with it and come up with “interpretations” or “what he meant was …”
Isn’t that essentially excusing people or bad things/thinsg that don’t make sense.
I don’t think these interpretations are excusing stuff that don’t make sense, I just think some lines are being over-analyzed a little bit.
I don’t really like any of these uses of Luke’s “we’ll always be with you” line, honestly.
Save the Sebastian Shaw Ghost! Save the dream…!