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The Original Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 20

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One of the changes I would want the most is replacing the Hayden ghost with one that isn’t as creepy. I would love Hayden’s ghost at the end to go with Hal’s TROS but he just looks so weird.

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hinventon said:

One of the changes I would want the most is replacing the Hayden ghost with one that isn’t as creepy. I would love Hayden’s ghost at the end to go with Hal’s TROS but he just looks so weird.

I’m really hoping for this too. Not only less creepy but also aged up.

SparkySywer said:

Meant to post this right after I uploaded, but I didn’t.

A better attempt at editing the Victory Celebration song into RotJ, without the planets montage or Hayden Christensen.

So good! I’d totally buy it as the theatrical '83 version.

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My “radical” changes to the original trilogy would just be to blend more aspects of the prequels into it.

Prequel droids and vehicles. I would also retroactively add in the Ghost, from rebels, into the original 3 movies.
I’d have chopper seen in the background.

I would open ROTJ with a scene of Vader on Mustafar. Seeing him contemplate his life and on a black marble table lays things like Padme’s necklace, followed by a servant interrupting, letting him know the Emperors ship has arrived and is waiting for Vader to board. Then the next scene would be them on the death star. Then straight into the tatooine/jabba part of the movie.

I’d deepfake Hayden into the Vader costume at the end of ROTJ, and try and find someone to redub his voice to sound more like Hayden. I would keep the dialogue the same but add a line of dialogue that would hint that some day Palpatine may return, nothing too on the nose, just Vader letting Luke know that it’s ok to let go, but remember to persevere in the face of evil, which would then add to the Luke we got on the sequels in my opinion.

I would also regrade ROTJ so it looks better. It has a weird tint to it that makes it look older than ANH & ESB.

I would also trim alot of the ewok material, as the movie needs to feel more dramatic.

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EddieDean said:

I’d go that way too. I’m a franchise purist rather than an OT purist, so I’d be eager to help the OT subtly fit in better with the surrounding content.

Im obsessed with connecting them all but not in an anachronistic way like the re-edit of Obi-Wan and Vader’s fight.

If I was hypothetically able to add things the movie, they would need to work within the limitations of the year the movie was released.
If Mustafar was to be shown, it would need to be done mostly with matte paintings, and camera can only move within the limitations of the early 80s.

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ThisIsCreation said:

EddieDean said:

I’d go that way too. I’m a franchise purist rather than an OT purist, so I’d be eager to help the OT subtly fit in better with the surrounding content.

Im obsessed with connecting them all but not in an anachronistic way like the re-edit of Obi-Wan and Vader’s fight.

If I was hypothetically able to add things the movie, they would need to work within the limitations of the year the movie was released.
If Mustafar was to be shown, it would need to be done mostly with matte paintings, and camera can only move within the limitations of the early 80s.

Agreed. If I could re-shoot Ben vs. Vader I’d try to make it more slow & deliberate, like a real samurai fight, instead of the energetic and prequel-y style of “SC38 Reimagined.”

You’ve got to ask yourself one question: “Am I making Carrie Fisher’s ghost proud?”
Well, are ya, punk?

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And cutting out Obi Wans little twirl he does

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NeverarGreat said:

I’m still of the opinion that all the fight needs is a matte painting extending their hallway into a more dramatic room with perhaps a pit they’re skirting. Also, cutting a few seconds out of the fight to make it seem more energetic.

100% this!

It only needs a tiny few tweaks and such. It doesn’t need flips and dips, but adding a matte painting and extending the hallway and things would be a wonderful addition to the movie as long as it stayed within the limitations of a late 70s/early 80s movie.

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Palpatine doesn’t explode falling down the pit. He just falls out of sight. That’s how he’s around in TRoS. Not some silly clone. He’s the real deal who’s been to hell and back staying alive.

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Yeah but he survived on a chunk that fell to Kef Bir. He can shoot lightning out of his hands and do that spinny jump thing, surely he can survive the impact. I know that’s gonna be a bit much for some people but it works for me.

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If Anthony Ainley’s Master can come back from being disintegrated and from being torn apart by angry folks as his simulation falls apart, Palpatine can come back from the explosion.

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Except that he can regenerate. Plus Crispy is arguably a different incarnation.

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I would like to give Palpatine his own scene in ROTJ, have him talking to one of his loyalists. Telling the loyalist to meet him on Exegol.

Take the scene where Palpatine is sitting looking out of the death star. Get a palpatine impressionist to say the line. Deepfake Palpatines mouth and we’re golden.
Also, Record someone dressed up as a Palaptine loyalist for the scene.

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ThisIsCreation said:

I would like to give Palpatine his own scene in ROTJ, have him talking to one of his loyalists. Telling the loyalist to meet him on Exegol.

Take the scene where Palpatine is sitting looking out of the death star. Get a palpatine impressionist to say the line. Deepfake Palpatines mouth and we’re golden.
Also, Record someone dressed up as a Palaptine loyalist for the scene.

Since TROS came out my headcanon is that when Palpatine turns to his advisors after Vader leaves, he sends them to Exegol and that’s why they don’t appear again in the film. Therefore tying the Imperial advisors to the Sith loyalists, an idea firmly rooted in the wider canon.

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ThisIsCreation said:

I would like to give Palpatine his own scene in ROTJ, have him talking to one of his loyalists. Telling the loyalist to meet him on Exegol.

Take the scene where Palpatine is sitting looking out of the death star. Get a palpatine impressionist to say the line. Deepfake Palpatines mouth and we’re golden.
Also, Record someone dressed up as a Palaptine loyalist for the scene.

Here you go!
https://youtu.be/v2zRFPeEDS0?t=320

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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I love how the video you sent him was created as a joke haha.

There are definitely some methods to making the saga more unified, but I feel like more subtle approaches are often better over entirely new scenes, especially for the originals.

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idir_hh said:

ThisIsCreation said:

I would like to give Palpatine his own scene in ROTJ, have him talking to one of his loyalists. Telling the loyalist to meet him on Exegol.

Take the scene where Palpatine is sitting looking out of the death star. Get a palpatine impressionist to say the line. Deepfake Palpatines mouth and we’re golden.
Also, Record someone dressed up as a Palaptine loyalist for the scene.

Here you go!
https://youtu.be/v2zRFPeEDS0?t=320

Haha I saw this this morning. I love it

And @jarjar - dude that actually is a great head canon idea,which in hindsight actually fits.

I would like to hear him say something about preparing to meet him on Exegol.

As you mentioned as well, there is subtle ways of doing it, and I think with a tweak here and a tweak there, it could be accomplished.

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Was thinking about more edit ideas for ROTJ. For a hypothetical edit where you restructured Han’s rescue so Leia’s rescue attempt before the droids show up, how would you handle the continuity of Leia not being there when the droids arrive, and also 3PO already being there when Boushh/Leia shows up? I attempted to do this in my very first edit (which was ROTJ), but I remember having to awkwardly edit/crop around 3PO, or add Leia into the droid scene. I feel like other editors have probably attempted this with much better results.

But going back through this thread gave me a few more ideas.

The scene at Jabba’s palace would be the Lapti Nek scene and Oola’s demise. During this scene, you could create an insert shot of Boushh somewhere in the room. So, Leia in disguise has already infiltrated the palace. (I would also cut the Boba shots from this scene, and insert the SE shots of Boba with the dancers) So, Oola dies, cut to the sunset shot, and transition to nighttime when everyone is asleep. Boushh sneaks around and let’s Han out.

The continuity issue arises when Jabba is revealed and C3PO is standing right behind them. So, instead of Jabba and basically everyone else at the palace being wide awake and hiding behind literal curtains, what if Han and Leia stand up, turn around, and Boba is standing there waiting for them, gun drawn? You could take his shots from the Wookie bounty scene (which have been cut from this hypothetical version), and flip/recolor them to match the palace at night. You could lay it out like this:

  • Han and Leia stand up and face camera.
  • Boba quickly raises his blaster.
  • Han and Leia (mostly Leia) reaction shot. They’re caught.
  • Boba lowers his blaster.

Then you show Han being thrown in the cells, and you could possibly keep Leia being brought before Jabba and Jabba being all gross and licking his non-existent lips, if you can crop/cut around 3PO. I think it’s be about 3 shots total.

Later, whenever 3PO and R2 come to try and give Jabba a message, Oola is dead at this point, Leia has been enslaved (off-screen) so it would be a pain to try to avoid these continuity issues when 3PO and R2 show him Luke’s message. So, an older idea I had would be for them to enter the palace, but when they encounter Bib Fortuna, he just tells them that Jabba will not bargain, and sends them directly to the dungeons. An added benefit to this is we also would lose Luke’s hologram, so our true first glimpse of Luke would be when he walks into the palace.

I know this would cut a lot of the palace sequence, and I do enjoy most of it, but I think it would be interesting to try this sequence of events and see if it livens the pace of the first act a little. I do feel like this part of the film meanders when I go back and watch it.

I also had another idea for all of the Ewok antics later on in the film. I don’t know know if I would cut all the stuff about the Ewoks thinking 3PO is a god, but I would like to make it where the reason the Ewoks don’t eat the guys be because of Leia. In the film, Leia gains Wicket’s trust and takes her back to his village, she protests their capture, but they don’t listen to her, nor even 3PO, until Luke uses the Force to trick them into thinking 3PO really is a magical god.

I think it would be great for Leia’s character (and give her something to do), if she was able to use her politics skill to gain the Ewok’s trust and have enough influence to save the everyone herself. It also makes the Ewoks seem a little less gullible.

Basically, you would just restructure the scene a little bit to where they are about to cook them, then Leia comes out. You could the shot of them aggressively pointing spears in her face, and when she says they’re her friends (and maybe asks 3PO to tell them to let them go), the Ewoks listen immediately. So no levitating 3PO or anything like that. It is Leia’s kindness that gains the Ewok’s trust, not 3PO’s “divine influence”.

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Rogue leader- I do agree that the beginning of the movie could be made to flow better. Cut the trash song from the special editions.

I do love the idea of Leia actually fixing the Ewok situation. The movie as a whole just trashed Leia being a political leader and turned her into a damsel in distress.

The movie definitely needs a tightening up and alot of the ewok scenes should be improved on to me bad more serious.

The whole movie needs a colour regrade and make the colours richer, the movie feels very cold.
The speeder scenes could do with a retouch too to make it feel more believable.