Should Vader and The Emperor even know who Yoda is? — Page 2

Ok, I’m rather confused.

“‘This Yoda,’ the Emperor mused. ‘Lives he still?’”

What is this from, and what is the context?

If only Density would make an appearance and weigh in on this topic now…

screams in the void said:

I also got the impression that Yoda and the Emperor had never met from reading the book .

Must have been in different book clubs.

palpatine knew yoda according to the return of the jedi novelization.

There is an expanded version of the initial conversation between Palpatine and Luke. It includes Palpatine questioning Luke about who instructed him after Obi-Wan’s death; upon discovering that it was Yoda, Palpatine proceeds to mock the late Jedi Master by mimicking his object–subject–verb style of speech. he knew him well enough to do that…which is proof enough for me.

palpatine knew yoda according to the return of the jedi novelization.

There is an expanded version of the initial conversation between Palpatine and Luke. It includes Palpatine questioning Luke about who instructed him after Obi-Wan’s death; upon discovering that it was Yoda, Palpatine proceeds to mock the late Jedi Master by mimicking his object–subject–verb style of speech. he knew him well enough to do that…which is proof enough for me.

palpatine knew yoda according to the return of the jedi novelization.

There is an expanded version of the initial conversation between Palpatine and Luke. It includes Palpatine questioning Luke about who instructed him after Obi-Wan’s death; upon discovering that it was Yoda, Palpatine proceeds to mock the late Jedi Master by mimicking his object–subject–verb style of speech. he knew him well enough to do that…which is proof enough for me.

Anybody know whether the scene with the Emperor referencing Yoda was filmed?

I always assumed that Yoda knew Anakin because of his dialog in TESB. In TESB we learn the following, Yoda was a Jedi Master. He trained Obi-wan. He knew that Luke’s father was a powerful Jedi. He saw much anger in Luke, like his father (and then Obi-wan commented that he hadn’t been so different). In ROTJ, Yoda says there is another Skywalker (pending any new info in VIII or IX, that has been assumed to be Leia). So Yoda shows great familiarity with who Anakin was and is. It has never seemed far fetched that Anakin would have known him. His absence from any of Vader’s dialog has always indcated to me that he thought Yoda was dead - only Kenobi had been left to train Luke. The explaination I’ve always accepted, that I think was used in the EU, was that Yoda chose Dagobah because of the dark side cave (a place of evil it is) that could mask his presence. Someone posted above that Frank Oz always thought the character was more refined and on Dagobah in exile. Not only does that jive with the PT, but with what I had assumed prior to TPM.

TV’s Frink said:

doubleofive said:

yhwx said:

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Nandi said:

I too think it would be best if Yoda remained a mystery and wasn’t a head of the council etc.
That he didn’t chose swampy forest because of an exile, but as a place to test himself, or a seclusion while he explores the Force, entire place for younger jedies should be sort of a pilgrimage where he decides are they worthy or not to be trained by him.

Didn’t he say he had a council on who was to be trained in ESB though?

“My own counsel will I keep, on who is to be trained!”

Counsel =/= Council

That’s just an interpretation though. He could have full well meant council.

The Script says:

  		YODA
  Ready, are you?  What know you 
  of ready?  For eight hundred years 
  have I trained Jedi.  My own counsel 
  will I keep on who is to be trained!
  A Jedi must have the deepest 
  commitment, the most serious mind.

They’re completely different words.

Wait, Yoda has his own personal council? Cool!

I’ll bet he also has very strict Principals.

“I’m not a committee!”

I always assumed Yoda would be much closer to nature, than the politicized way he was represented in the PT. I also always found it inconceivable that Palpatine could be this powerful Force user, but somehow the Jedi who could sense each other from the other side of the galaxy in the OT, suddenly were blind to the Sith operating under their very noses. To me the only option that made sense, was for Palpatine to have been a Jedi, perhaps even their leader (a parallel to Saruman in LOTR), secretly exploring the dark side of the Force, while slowly maneuvering the Jedi and more importantly himself to the center of power. Yoda would then be the oldest and wisest of the Jedi, who would obviously oppose such a move, causing a rift in the Jedi order with Palpatine and Yoda being leaders of opposite sides. This would also explain why Anakin would allign himself with Palpatine, who in this scenario is actually seemingly one of the good guys, rather than the devil incarnate. It also makes the idea, that the Jedi who oppose Palpatine can be painted as traitors and terrorists more believable. I also always believed Anakin was rejected by Yoda, because of his fiery temper, such that Obi-Wan felt compelled to train him in secret. Anakin would eventually become a hero in the clone wars, which in the above scenario would lead to Palpatine going over Yoda’s head, by formally inducting him in the order of Jedi Knights as a reward for his service, making Anakin his deputy. Then when the main body of Jedi led by Yoda finally rise up against Palpatine, who’s side is Anakin going to be on?

^I like it.

Maybe Yoda knows of the Emperor and Anakin because Obi-wan told him of them when he became a spirit, or even actually showed him what happened in the past through his new Force Spirit powers. There’s also Yoda saying he’s been watching Luke, and something else is Luke mentioning Dagobah being familiar. Maybe Luke was brought to Dagobah when he was like two, and thanks to his strong connection to the Force Yoda was able to recognize his presence within it.

Yoda, along with other Jedi Masters, should be secluded from the Galaxy, with a Jedi Knight needing to further their training by seeking one out. Was Obi-Wab ever referenced as a Jedi Master in the OT? Maybe there could be a mediator between a Master and a Knight, an older Knight who helps apprentices start their journeys and eventually lead them to a master they themselves trained under. If Obi was a Master it still works fine, just that he was a younger Master who still wasn’t fully enlightened.

While it’s never explicitly stated that Yoda was one of the Jedi who narrowly escaped the Empire’s Jedi extermination and went into exile like Obi-Wan, I still think it’s heavily implied. Could Yoda being a neutral being only loosely affiliated with the Jedi who had been on Dagobah for centuries and most people didn’t know the existence of? Perhaps. Was it the writers’ intention? Most certainly not.

I actually disagree with Oz though. Yoda doesn’t dress regally or look out of place. He’s just a little green goblin in a bathrobe, and looks 100% in his element in a mysterious swamp.

i think they think that Yoda is dead that how I look at it