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Unusual Sequel Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 62

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JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

Rework Solo to make it about Han Solo…jr.

Use a scene of older Harrison Ford talking about his son, then cut to Alden Ehrenreich.

That would be QUITE the rework, haha. What would you do about the Empire?

Change every word “empire” to be “first order”, of course.

But the Stormtroopers aren’t the same… would you have someone CG out helmets?

That’d be the complicated way.

The easier way is to insert a line “these old uniforms are being phased out next year. Just use them for now, rookie.”

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thebluefrog said:

JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

Rework Solo to make it about Han Solo…jr.

Use a scene of older Harrison Ford talking about his son, then cut to Alden Ehrenreich.

That would be QUITE the rework, haha. What would you do about the Empire?

Change every word “empire” to be “first order”, of course.

But the Stormtroopers aren’t the same… would you have someone CG out helmets?

That’d be the complicated way.

The easier way is to insert a line “these old uniforms are being phased out next year. Just use them for now, rookie.”

😂

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Okay but what would any of this achieve? Leave it as Han’ backstory and move on.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Okay but what would any of this achieve? Leave it as Han’ backstory and move on.

It would be a radical change, isn’t that what this thread is?

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JakeRyan17 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Okay but what would any of this achieve? Leave it as Han’ backstory and move on.

It would be a radical change, isn’t that what this thread is?

But radical changes for the sake of radical changes are kinda dumb. I don’t see any apparent benefit to having Solo not actually be about Han, it would just be a bunch of work for absolutely nothing.

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StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Okay but what would any of this achieve? Leave it as Han’ backstory and move on.

It would be a radical change, isn’t that what this thread is?

But radical changes for the sake of radical changes are kinda dumb. I don’t see any apparent benefit to having Solo not actually be about Han, it would just be a bunch of work for absolutely nothing.

Depends how recontextualised you go with it, if you find a way to integrate it with the others sequels, etc.

Plus, I doubt it was ever a serious idea… just don’t like someone getting rude about it and telling people to shut up after they dropped the topic already. We’re only discussing it now because someone reinvigorated the conversation about it while being rude in their attempts to end it. Had they commented a new idea or turned the conversation in a new direction, it wouldn’t likely have been brought back up.

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At some point I’d like to try a WAR OF THE STARS II style edit of the sequel trilogy as one film. A hyper stylized version in which we can play around with time and mix and match different scenes from TFA and TROS. With the events of TLJ being the conclusion of the story, plus an epilogue of the force vision scene with Ben and Han to finish it all out. Also I’d like to just go crazy with flashbacks and interesting music choices. Maybe some synths, and fan made orchestral themes? Oh right, and have it all be Kylo centric.

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StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Okay but what would any of this achieve? Leave it as Han’ backstory and move on.

It would be a radical change, isn’t that what this thread is?

But radical changes for the sake of radical changes are kinda dumb. I don’t see any apparent benefit to having Solo not actually be about Han, it would just be a bunch of work for absolutely nothing.

Don’t show them the early posts on the prequel radical redux thread lol

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This is an idea that will probably require some clever editing, but I’ve been thinking about what the benefits could be to not making the First Order stormtroopers be kidnapped children.

For one, I feel like there really isn’t a proper resolution to this plot point in TROS. Finn and the good guys seem to lack any self-awareness or concern that they’re killing what are basically child soldiers. Making this change would make the lack of resolution in TROS not feel as disappointing, because I think the writer’s desire to make Finn and Jannah as innocent as possible came back to haunt them in a way.

The movies really bend over backward to absolve Finn (and Jannah) of any responsibility for being one of the bad guys. They were kidnapped as children, indoctrinated their entire lives, and in Finn’s case, he never even really killed anyone before he went AWOL (the same may be true for Jannah).

Yes, Finn is a stormtrooper, but in actuality he barely was a stormtrooper. In fact, he barely even acts like someone who was indoctrinated their entire life. We never even see Finn have to unlearn the propaganda that has probably been hammered into him over the years.

The stormtroopers not being child soldiers also makes our heroes killing them without remorse a little less questionable, especially in Finn’s case. Plus, I feel like if Finn and Jannah joined the First Order voluntarily, and then realized it was a mistake, it is a much more nuanced way to portray them as stormtroopers-turned-rebels. This touches on a larger subject I want to eventually explore in a discussion thread, but I like the idea of our heroes all having made mistakes in the past, or even have blood on their hands, but them accepting that their mistakes don’t dictate their future and who they are. And I think having them not be stormtroopers by choice takes away from the decision to make them stormtroopers in the first place. Redemption, forgiveness, and second chances should have been central to this trilogy, and unfortunately they didn’t fully commit to these themes.

Again, this will require a number of clever changes, but I wonder how differently our perspectives would change on the trilogy with this change implemented.

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Sacrificing originality for consistency. Can’t say a support it, but it’s certainly a valid viewpoint.

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I mean, if you think about it, what does them being child soldiers add to the narrative (not what they hypothetically add, but actually add to the story), that them being regular recruits doesn’t? It was an interesting idea, but they never actually explore it, so much so that you could likely remove it and lose very little to their story.

Again, if anything, it would add more nuance to the story, because it gives Finn and Jannah more agency. They chose to leave the First Order, but only after choosing to join it. Their shame of being stormtroopers is even more justified, in this instance, because they have to accept they made a mistake.

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Basically, I’d prefer working towards those hypothetical additions, but removing the plot point due to their absence is totally reasonable.

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I totally agree, I’ve thought of ways to try and do that, but how to actually add those things would be rather difficult. It’s not like we can film new material with ease, you know?

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Them being child soldiers since birth was more based in a throwaway line in The Force Awakens to justify not using Clones. It’s reintroduction in Rise of Skywalker is just to help justify sidelining Rose after the backlash by creating Jannah. It was never about storytelling or world building, unless you want to read Trevorrow’s script; it was about throwing shade at the prequels initially, then giving into toxic fans on Reddit.

I think that having recruits who want to fight are the real alternative to droids/clones/child soldiers because they are actively choosing it. That makes more narrative sense in the context of what’s going on. People who actively choose to be soldiers are generally far more loyal than people who are forced… if only that were a plot point on screen.

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Is there any way we could have Rey actually join Kylo in TLJ and have them gone rogue from both factions? I guess not, eh?

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Is there any way we could have Rey actually join Kylo in TLJ and have them gone rogue from both factions? I guess not, eh?

There’s not enough footage of them together. Even if you cut everything between that scene and confronting Palpatine, they still don’t arrive together or work together until after fighting the guards and Knights of Ren.

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Any thoughts on an edit of the sequel trilogy that finishes off the story with The Force Awakens/the battle of Stakiller base? I figure Snoke would likely need to be removed and Kylo could be implied to die when Rey slashes him in their fight. I’m still considering how to wrap up the Luke cliffhanger in a satisfying way. Maybe it could a short training montage and then credits after Rey slashes that rock in half.

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adobewan said:

Any thoughts on an edit of The Force Awakens that finishes off the story with one film? Snoke would need to be removed and Kylo would be implied to die in the Starkiller explosion. I just don’t know how to wrap up the Luke cliffhanger in a satisfying way

I don’t know if you really can. There’s no real complete arc to any of the characters in that film, except Kylo. I think it would be easier to integrate some TFA scenes into TLJ to make a standalone film.

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adobewan said:

Any thoughts on an edit of the sequel trilogy that finishes off the story with The Force Awakens/the battle of Stakiller base? I figure Snoke would likely need to be removed and Kylo could be implied to die when Rey slashes him in their fight. I’m still considering how to wrap up the Luke cliffhanger in a satisfying way. Maybe it could a short training montage and then credits after Rey slashes that rock in half.

Kill off Luke? Instead of having him go missing and the First Order rises in his absence, he dies and the First Order rises in his absense.

I don’t know how well it would work but that’s the only solution to the Luke cliffhanger I can think of.

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