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Anakin Starkiller said:

Would it be possible to add footage of Poe ejecting from the Tie Fighter at the start of TFA? Maybe even footage of him landing or wandering around Jakku? His survival has no business being a surprise and just feels contrived. It’s painfully obvious it was added in reshoots.

Well, there is Lego Star wars…

https://youtu.be/EM6Exvoimc0

I believe that’s Oscar Isaac doing the voice, so that’s a start.

Unfortunately 2020 deepfake tech isn’t remotely good enough to replace the lego cartoon…in fact it would probably be easier to remake the entire TFA movie in Lego, haha.

Maybe cut a shot of Isaac lying on the ground and then cut to a very shadowy image of Scavenger Naka doing a voiceover of how he saved Poe?

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How are these Lego animations better than the actual movies? Haha

Does anyone have a clip of Poe saying “this way”? I don’t know why but JJ switched the audio several times in TROS and replaced it with “follow me!”

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Movies Remastered said:

How are these Lego animations better than the actual movies? Haha

Does anyone have a clip of Poe saying “this way”? I don’t know why but JJ switched the audio several times in TROS and replaced it with “follow me!”

Isn’t there one in the Lego game?

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thebluefrog said:

Unfortunately 2020 deepfake tech isn’t remotely good enough to replace the lego cartoon…in fact it would probably be easier to remake the entire TFA movie in Lego, haha.

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but I have considered it.

And once Lego Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga comes out, and people start making cinematics of the game footage, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone tries to recreate the entire saga as a Lego movie.

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I think the sabre hidden in the rocks should be Ben’s. The one we see in the flashback in TLJ. It could be easily implied that he abandoned his sabre after destroying the temple and that Luke found it and hid it the walls of his hut. Metaphorically, Rey is repairing Luke’s mistake. Also, it’s as if the force is aware that Ben has turned and is calling for his sabre to be returned to him.

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TK42-WAN said:

I think the sabre hidden in the rocks should be Ben’s. The one we see in the flashback in TLJ. It could be easily implied that he abandoned his sabre after destroying the temple, and Luke found it and hid it the walls of his hut. Metaphorically, Rey repairing Luke’s mistake. Also, it’s as if the force is aware that Ben has turned and his calling for his sabre to be returned to him.

The tricky think is Ben uses Anakin’s saber throughout the third act, while Rey uses Leia’s. It would take a lot of work to swap out the hilts for every shot.

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JakeRyan17 said:

TK42-WAN said:

I think the sabre hidden in the rocks should be Ben’s. The one we see in the flashback in TLJ. It could be easily implied that he abandoned his sabre after destroying the temple, and Luke found it and hid it the walls of his hut. Metaphorically, Rey repairing Luke’s mistake. Also, it’s as if the force is aware that Ben has turned and his calling for his sabre to be returned to him.

The tricky think is Ben uses Anakin’s saber throughout the third act, while Rey uses Leia’s. It would take a lot of work to swap out the hilts for every shot.

That’s a very good point. Though if someone could accomplish it, I think it would be the best option narratively and tie the film in a little closer with TLJ and make the three films seem a little more cohesive.

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TK42-WAN said:

I think the sabre hidden in the rocks should be Ben’s. The one we see in the flashback in TLJ. It could be easily implied that he abandoned his sabre after destroying the temple and that Luke found it and hid it the walls of his hut. Metaphorically, Rey is repairing Luke’s mistake. Also, it’s as if the force is aware that Ben has turned and is calling for his sabre to be returned to him.

Actually, he turned that saber into the cross-guard saber that he used as Kylo. If you look closely, you can see that the hilt designs are the exact same.

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Unrelated, but do you think it would work to move the scene from TROS where Palpatine’s speaks with General Pryde into TLJ? To make it work you would have to sprinkle in some small mention of him earlier in the film, whether it’s from Snoke, Kylo, or whoever. “Pride” is a fairly common word, so I don’t think it would be impossible to find a clip of Andy Serkis or Adam Driver saying that. This is also operating under the assumption you’re using something like Poppasketti’s ending, with Palpatine speaking to Kylo. This scene with Pryde would happen right after Kylo hears Palpatine’s voice on Crait. The Emperor’s mouth is covered by his cloak and the hologram blur in this scene, so you could add in other lines from Palpatine to replace the existing ones without worrying about his lip movements. I haven’t tested this out, so maybe it’s just not worth the effort, but I think it could do a few things. 1) You establish Pryde and Palpatine early, so the films feel a bit more cohesive. 2) It adds a bit of characterization to Pryde and the First Order at large, showing how chaotic it is after Snoke’s death. Pryde is working directly for Palpatine, Kylo is off doing his own thing, and Hux is trying to sabotage him. Making this scene our introduction to Pryde recontextualizes a lot of what he does in TROS.

Anyway, it’s just an idea. Like I said, it might be too much work for something that may not add a lot, but I think it would make the characterization of both him and Palpatine more interesting and bridge the gap between both films.

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TK-422 said:

Unrelated, but do you think it would work to move the scene from TROS where Palpatine’s speaks with General Pryde into TLJ? To make it work you would have to sprinkle in some small mention of him earlier in the film, whether it’s from Snoke, Kylo, or whoever. “Pride” is a fairly common word, so I don’t think it would be impossible to find a clip of Andy Serkis or Adam Driver saying that. This is also operating under the assumption you’re using something like Poppasketti’s ending, with Palpatine speaking to Kylo. This scene with Pryde would happen right after Kylo hears Palpatine’s voice on Crait. The Emperor’s mouth is covered by his cloak and the hologram blur in this scene, so you could add in other lines from Palpatine to replace the existing ones without worrying about his lip movements. I haven’t tested this out, so maybe it’s just not worth the effort, but I think it could do a few things. 1) You establish Pryde and Palpatine early, so the films feel a bit more cohesive. 2) It adds a bit of characterization to Pryde and the First Order at large, showing how chaotic it is after Snoke’s death. Pryde is working directly for Palpatine, Kylo is off doing his own thing, and Hux is trying to sabotage him. Making this scene our introduction to Pryde recontextualizes a lot of what he does in TROS.

Anyway, it’s just an idea. Like I said, it might be too much work for something that may not add a lot, but I think it would make the characterization of both him and Palpatine more interesting and bridge the gap between both films.

I don’t know how plausible that idea is but it kind of makes me wish Pryde had an overarching presence across the three films, or merge Hux and Pryde’s roles as a more competent right hand man for Kylo.

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Knight of Kalee said:

TK-422 said:

Unrelated, but do you think it would work to move the scene from TROS where Palpatine’s speaks with General Pryde into TLJ? To make it work you would have to sprinkle in some small mention of him earlier in the film, whether it’s from Snoke, Kylo, or whoever. “Pride” is a fairly common word, so I don’t think it would be impossible to find a clip of Andy Serkis or Adam Driver saying that. This is also operating under the assumption you’re using something like Poppasketti’s ending, with Palpatine speaking to Kylo. This scene with Pryde would happen right after Kylo hears Palpatine’s voice on Crait. The Emperor’s mouth is covered by his cloak and the hologram blur in this scene, so you could add in other lines from Palpatine to replace the existing ones without worrying about his lip movements. I haven’t tested this out, so maybe it’s just not worth the effort, but I think it could do a few things. 1) You establish Pryde and Palpatine early, so the films feel a bit more cohesive. 2) It adds a bit of characterization to Pryde and the First Order at large, showing how chaotic it is after Snoke’s death. Pryde is working directly for Palpatine, Kylo is off doing his own thing, and Hux is trying to sabotage him. Making this scene our introduction to Pryde recontextualizes a lot of what he does in TROS.

Anyway, it’s just an idea. Like I said, it might be too much work for something that may not add a lot, but I think it would make the characterization of both him and Palpatine more interesting and bridge the gap between both films.

I don’t know how plausible that idea is but it kind of makes me wish Pryde had an overarching presence across the three films, or merge Hux and Pryde’s roles as a more competent right hand man for Kylo.

Pryde’s disdain for Hux comes from his failure at Starkiller Base, so I can’t see Pryde having a presence in TFA.

Finding a way to put the “board room” scene into TLJ somehow, would help establish their relationships… but you’d have to move Kylo discovering Exegol into TLJ (I put it at the end of TFA to replace Rey travelling to Ahch-To). Maybe you could cut the start of the scene about the spy from TRoS, and add the rest of the scene before the Battle of Crait. This gives the Resistance time to kinda regroup and attempt to send out their signal across the galaxy. Maybe Kylo’s helmet being reforged could be between Luke interrupting Kylo & Rey touching hands on Ahch-To and Rey arriving to see him unmasked. Or it could be right before the board room scene.

TLJ is already insanely long, so I don’t know if that would work.

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Knight of Kalee said:

I don’t know how plausible that idea is but it kind of makes me wish Pryde had an overarching presence across the three films, or merge Hux and Pryde’s roles as a more competent right hand man for Kylo.

Having Hux be an acolyte of Sidious would’ve done wonders to repair his joke image from TLJ.

Pryde was a useless character; Hux could’ve fit his role fine. Or even have Phasma return again in either role as Sidious’ mole or the Rebels’ mole, since she’s a selfish backstabber already.

Maybe an edit could be done someday of erasing Pryde and just making it all Hux.

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thebluefrog said:

Knight of Kalee said:

I don’t know how plausible that idea is but it kind of makes me wish Pryde had an overarching presence across the three films, or merge Hux and Pryde’s roles as a more competent right hand man for Kylo.

Having Hux be an acolyte of Sidious would’ve done wonders to repair his joke image from TLJ.

Pryde was a useless character; Hux could’ve fit his role fine. Or even have Phasma return again in either role as Sidious’ mole or Rebels’ mole, since she’s a selfish backstabber already.

Maybe an edit could be done someday of erasing Pryde and just making it all Hux.

I think Hux was the spy and killed off so quickly because of the negative feedback from TLJ. I wish they would have developed it more or just had him take the role Pryde had in the film. The spy subplot is just so rushed and empty in the theatrical film.

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thebluefrog said:

Movies Remastered said:

How are these Lego animations better than the actual movies? Haha

Does anyone have a clip of Poe saying “this way”? I don’t know why but JJ switched the audio several times in TROS and replaced it with “follow me!”

Isn’t there one in the Lego game?

I’m not a gamer. I’ve gone through a bunch of youtube videos but havent even found anything close. Is there a way of getting the audio or a clip?

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JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

Having Hux be an acolyte of Sidious would’ve done wonders to repair his joke image from TLJ.

Pryde was a useless character; Hux could’ve fit his role fine. Or even have Phasma return again in either role as Sidious’ mole or Rebels’ mole, since she’s a selfish backstabber already.

Maybe an edit could be done someday of erasing Pryde and just making it all Hux.

I think Hux was the spy and killed off so quickly because of the negative feedback from TLJ. I wish they would have developed it more or just had him take the role Pryde had in the film. The spy subplot is just so rushed and empty in the theatrical film.

TLJ Hux began with a “yo mama” joke and then was slapped around like a ragdoll.

His character was deliberately reduced to a Jar Jar joke and there was no coming back from that.

Imagine if Empire started with Vader comically slipping and falling and then Han waves “LATER, YA BIG DORK!”

That would’ve killed the gravitas of the character from that point forward and probably killed ROTJ.

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I’m not a gamer. I’ve gone through a bunch of youtube videos but havent even found anything close. Is there a way of getting the audio or a clip?

Ok, when I see something I’ll flag it for you.

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thebluefrog said:

JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

Having Hux be an acolyte of Sidious would’ve done wonders to repair his joke image from TLJ.

Pryde was a useless character; Hux could’ve fit his role fine. Or even have Phasma return again in either role as Sidious’ mole or Rebels’ mole, since she’s a selfish backstabber already.

Maybe an edit could be done someday of erasing Pryde and just making it all Hux.

I think Hux was the spy and killed off so quickly because of the negative feedback from TLJ. I wish they would have developed it more or just had him take the role Pryde had in the film. The spy subplot is just so rushed and empty in the theatrical film.

TLJ Hux began with a “yo mama” joke and then was slapped around like a ragdoll.

His character was deliberately reduced to a Jar Jar joke and there was no coming back from that.

Imagine if Empire started with Vader comically slipping and falling and then Han waves “LATER, YA BIG DORK!”

That would’ve killed the gravitas of the character from that point forward and probably killed ROTJ.

Hence “negative feedback”. I think there was room to come back from that, especially if you look at Yoda’s portrayal in ESB. Point is, that plot line was thin in TRoS, and could have been fleshed out more or they could’ve dropped that subplot and given Hux the role Pryde filled in the final film.

Another solution would be to move the spy subplot up into the other films, which would be difficult with Finn being incapacitated between TFA/TLJ and his style change in TRoS, and introduce Pryde a film earlier. This would also help validate Holdo’s secrecy, since she did not know how the First Order caught up with the fleet.

(This is the radical redux thread, right?)

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JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

Having Hux be an acolyte of Sidious would’ve done wonders to repair his joke image from TLJ.

Pryde was a useless character; Hux could’ve fit his role fine. Or even have Phasma return again in either role as Sidious’ mole or Rebels’ mole, since she’s a selfish backstabber already.

Maybe an edit could be done someday of erasing Pryde and just making it all Hux.

I think Hux was the spy and killed off so quickly because of the negative feedback from TLJ. I wish they would have developed it more or just had him take the role Pryde had in the film. The spy subplot is just so rushed and empty in the theatrical film.

TLJ Hux began with a “yo mama” joke and then was slapped around like a ragdoll.

His character was deliberately reduced to a Jar Jar joke and there was no coming back from that.

Imagine if Empire started with Vader comically slipping and falling and then Han waves “LATER, YA BIG DORK!”

That would’ve killed the gravitas of the character from that point forward and probably killed ROTJ.

Hence “negative feedback”. I think there was room to come back from that, especially if you look at Yoda’s portrayal in ESB.

But Yoda was only a joke for one scene in ESB, and he was intentionally acting silly to test Luke’s patience. It wasn’t his entire character for the whole movie, like slapstick Hux in TLJ.

Point is, that plot line was thin in TRoS, and could have been fleshed out more or they could’ve dropped that subplot and given Hux the role Pryde filled in the final film.

I agree with this. Hux needed to return to his TFA levels of menace in TROS, and revealing that he was conspiring with Palpatine to return him to power, like was implied for Pryde originally, would be a great twist.

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StarkillerAG said:
But Yoda was only a joke for one scene in ESB, and he was intentionally acting silly to test Luke’s patience. It wasn’t his entire character for the whole movie, like slapstick Hux in TLJ.

I realized what was so “off” about TLJ’s tone: it felt like the prequels–specifically, Phantom Menace.

When making the originals, Lucas had people reigning him in to keep his manchild humor at bay. That’s why ROTJ started to go offbeat, since he didn’t have his ex-wife and editor peers going “man, that idea just doesn’t work.”

Phantom was the same way, especially when you look at the infamous documentary footage where his yes-men think he went too far in places but no one stood up to him. People hate Jar Jar because of the tonedeaf slapstick, and most of the side characters are already long forgotten. Anyone really remember Boss Nass or the Shatnerians? Likewise, very few people are demanding more Holdo, Rose, or nameless Mr. “Don’t Join”…and Hux and Finn were reduced to useless Jar Jar gags.

I think Rian Johnson was a bigger fan of the prequels than anyone else at Disney, which is why TLJ had the most direct references. Unfortunately, this also brought Phantom’s manchild humor back…and it really hurt the tone and writing. Solo would’ve been a better film for Rian to go wild on, since its self-contained nature wouldn’t clash with the other sequel films’ tone as much.

I think a good edit could fix Finn and Hux, but as I’ve said earlier, the tech and footage just isn’t there yet. For all its flaws, the Colin T. script gives BOTH of them a better plot and resolution. Maybe someday we can deepfake that into a real movie…assuming Disney doesn’t just erase the sequels anyways.

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thebluefrog said:

StarkillerAG said:
But Yoda was only a joke for one scene in ESB, and he was intentionally acting silly to test Luke’s patience. It wasn’t his entire character for the whole movie, like slapstick Hux in TLJ.

I realized what was so “off” about TLJ’s tone: it felt like the prequels–specifically, Phantom Menace.

When making the originals, Lucas had people reigning him in to keep his manchild humor at bay. That’s why ROTJ started to go offbeat, since he didn’t have his ex-wife and editor peers going “man, that idea just doesn’t work.”

Phantom was the same way, especially when you look at the infamous documentary footage where his yes-men think he went too far in places but no one stood up to him. People hate Jar Jar because of the tonedeaf slapstick, and most of the side characters are already long forgotten. Anyone really remember Boss Nass or the Shatnerians? Likewise, very few people are demanding more Holdo, Rose, or nameless Mr. “Don’t Join”…and Hux and Finn were reduced to useless Jar Jar gags.

I think Rian Johnson was a bigger fan of the prequels than anyone else at Disney, which is why TLJ had the most direct references. Unfortunately, this also brought Phantom’s manchild humor back…and it really hurt the tone and writing. Solo would’ve been a better film for Rian to go wild on, since its self-contained nature wouldn’t clash with the other sequel films’ tone as much.

I think a good edit could fix Finn and Hux, but as I’ve said earlier, the tech and footage just isn’t there yet. For all its flaws, the Colin T. script gives BOTH of them a better plot and resolution. Maybe someday we can deepfake that into a real movie…assuming Disney doesn’t just erase the sequels anyways.

Having just rewatched it, there’s only that opening scene that bothers me. But I agree that Trevorrow’s script handled their arcs better. And LOTS of people were pissed that Rose was left out of TRoS, especially after the racist and sexist backlash. I also personally loved Holdo, and kinda wish they had adjusted The Last Jedi after Carrie’s passing to have Holdo continue leading the resistance rather than the lacklustre use of her archival footage in Rise of Skywalker. But rather than arguing about those films, let’s keep focused on how to adjust the fan edits.

Does anyone think there’s a way to move Crait into Rise of Skywalker and move some of Rise’s smaller subplots into Last Jedi? This could introduce Pryde sooner, make the Resistance’s escape and the Holdo manoeuvre the third act climax, and allow Luke’s battle with Kylo to help set his redemption in motion as the end of the First act in Rise, especially with Luke’s comment that his father will always be with him (Han with Kylo) setting up that “memory”/haunting at the Death Star.

That might help make the films more cohesive, though it would require a lot of creative editing…

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I was gonna ask you what Shatnerians was, given it looked like autocorrect gone awry, but as it turns out, Neimodians is the first result when you Google the word. Whaddya know.

Furthermore, they were apparently originally named S’hatnarians after William Shatner, but were changed to Neimodians in reference of Leonard Nimoy. Huh.

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thebluefrog said:

StarkillerAG said:
But Yoda was only a joke for one scene in ESB, and he was intentionally acting silly to test Luke’s patience. It wasn’t his entire character for the whole movie, like slapstick Hux in TLJ.

I realized what was so “off” about TLJ’s tone: it felt like the prequels–specifically, Phantom Menace.

I agree TLJ has a different tone than the OT and the rest of the ST, and it’s a fact Rian’s a bigger prequel fan than anyone except maybe Kathleen Kennedy, but I wouldn’t really say it’s similar to TPM or either of the two prequels.

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What makes you say Kennedy’s a Prequel fan? I see no strong evidence one way or another.

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I agree with AniStar. If anything, Kathleen probably thinks of the prequels as an old shame, given how much she tried to ignore them in the first few years of Disney owning Star Wars.

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