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Thought those are fine reasons and whatnot, I don’t mean to derail the conversation since it’s more on the “Man, what the heck Disney” with the sequel movies.

But still, even before all of this with the lightsaber stuff, it is still a bit silly.

Anakin went through many lightsabers. Luke lost the “skywalker” saber. Some how the saber returns (don’t get me started on the comic) and calls out to someone. And at the end? Rey buries it.

Sorry I really don’t mean to derail things, things have just been handled so … ugh.

But to get back on track with this edit. For the Naboo shot, which I hope can get salvaged, I think what stickks out to me is the fast moving clouds and the too visible and fast explosions of the Star Destroyer. These scenes should be “slow moving” to match the others. Also, I am not sure even if slowing down and lowering the opacity of the explosion would help it since it looks a bit too different from the other shots. I think just having it smoking or something would be better and easier to implement maybe?

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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jarbear said:

Thought those are fine reasons and whatnot, I don’t mean to derail the conversation since it’s more on the “Man, what the heck Disney” with the sequel movies.

But still, even before all of this with the lightsaber stuff, it is still a bit silly.

Anakin went through many lightsabers. Luke lost the “skywalker” saber. Some how the saber returns (don’t get me started on the comic) and calls out to someone. And at the end? Rey buries it.

Sorry I really don’t mean to derail things, things have just been handled so … ugh.

That’s why I liked Luke throwing it away at the start of The Last Jedi, it was tossing away the silly reverence of that particular blade being special. Then it also destroyed the lightsaber (setting up Rey to start Episode IX with her own saber she built, similar to Luke at the beginning of Return of the Jedi).

But we needed more ‘member berries…

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JakeRyan17 said:

jarbear said:

Thought those are fine reasons and whatnot, I don’t mean to derail the conversation since it’s more on the “Man, what the heck Disney” with the sequel movies.

But still, even before all of this with the lightsaber stuff, it is still a bit silly.

Anakin went through many lightsabers. Luke lost the “skywalker” saber. Some how the saber returns (don’t get me started on the comic) and calls out to someone. And at the end? Rey buries it.

Sorry I really don’t mean to derail things, things have just been handled so … ugh.

That’s why I liked Luke throwing it away at the start of The Last Jedi, it was tossing away the silly reverence of that particular blade being special. Then it also destroyed the lightsaber (setting up Rey to start Episode IX with her own saber she built, similar to Luke at the beginning of Return of the Jedi).

But we needed more ‘member berries…

Yup. Even the original episode 9 script that was scrapped before jj came on had rey build her own double bladed saber out of her staff. I wish they had that for the actual episode 9

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natm said:

JakeRyan17 said:

jarbear said:

Thought those are fine reasons and whatnot, I don’t mean to derail the conversation since it’s more on the “Man, what the heck Disney” with the sequel movies.

But still, even before all of this with the lightsaber stuff, it is still a bit silly.

Anakin went through many lightsabers. Luke lost the “skywalker” saber. Some how the saber returns (don’t get me started on the comic) and calls out to someone. And at the end? Rey buries it.

Sorry I really don’t mean to derail things, things have just been handled so … ugh.

That’s why I liked Luke throwing it away at the start of The Last Jedi, it was tossing away the silly reverence of that particular blade being special. Then it also destroyed the lightsaber (setting up Rey to start Episode IX with her own saber she built, similar to Luke at the beginning of Return of the Jedi).

But we needed more ‘member berries…

Yup. Even the original episode 9 script that was scrapped before jj came on had rey build her own double bladed saber out of her staff. I wish they had that for the actual episode 9

We know that her building the saber over the movie was part of JJ and Terrio’s original shooting script at some point, because the concept artists designed out the interior mechanics for that exact reason and outright said that it had been planned to be a recurring aspect.

Once again, an interesting concept sacrificed at the altar of JJ’s attention-deficit editing style, haha.

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Not to derail the thread, but I’d like to share my opinion on the whole lightsaber thing.

I agree with Rian’s sentiments, in theory. Lightsabers aren’t as mythically important as JJ made them out to be, and destroying the Skywalker saber was a great choice that symbolized the whole “letting go of the past” theme. I just don’t like how Rian went the complete opposite direction, treating the saber like a joke. With Luke throwing it over his shoulder, the CGI puffins playing with it, and Luke calling it a “laser sword” later on, it feels like an important element of Star Wars being treated like trash. Lightsabers aren’t sacred, but they aren’t a joke either.

But I do wish that Rey used her own saber in TROS. By far the best part of Trevorrow’s discarded script was Rey building a double bladed lightsaber out of her staff. Combine that idea with the yellow blade shown at the end of TROS, and you would have a wonderful, unconventional weapon for Rey to wield in the final movie.

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I didn’t want her building it, I just wanted it to appear, like Luke’s appeared.

As for treating it like a joke, I don’t feel that’s as out of left field as is being suggested. It’s being tossed to show that it’s not a holy object, and given where Luke is at spiritually makes the most sense for his character to do. Calling it a laser sword is quoting the original trilogy, and again echos the dismissiveness that fits Luke’s character. As for porgs playing with it, that’s no more silly that Luke about to stab himself in the face in A New Hope or Anakin’s previous lightsaber being chopped in half and Anakin treating the moment like his parent is gonna ground him for getting a bad grade on homework.

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StarkillerAG said:

Not to derail the thread, but I’d like to share my opinion on the whole lightsaber thing.

I agree with Rian’s sentiments, in theory. Lightsabers aren’t as mythically important as JJ made them out to be, and destroying the Skywalker saber was a great choice that symbolized the whole “letting go of the past” theme. I just don’t like how Rian went the complete opposite direction, treating the saber like a joke. With Luke throwing it over his shoulder, the CGI puffins playing with it, and Luke calling it a “laser sword” later on, it feels like an important element of Star Wars being treated like trash. Lightsabers aren’t sacred, but they aren’t a joke either.

But I do wish that Rey used her own saber in TROS. By far the best part of Trevorrow’s discarded script was Rey building a double bladed lightsaber out of her staff. Combine that idea with the yellow blade shown at the end of TROS, and you would have a wonderful, unconventional weapon for Rey to wield in the final movie.

I’m sure I (and potentially we, my memory is terrible) have had this discussion a dozen times before, but I don’t think ‘let go of the past’ is meant to be the real message of the movie. Luke is meant to be wrong at the beginning. Kylo is meant to be wrong.

I’ve always read the message of the movie as ‘the past is flawed, but there are things from it worth saving’.

The ‘laser sword’ thing never bugged me because Anakin called em’ that in Phantom Menace, and George Lucas would call them laser swords all the time in BTS featurettes for all sorts of stuff.

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JakeRyan17 said:

I didn’t want her building it, I just wanted it to appear, like Luke’s appeared.

As for treating it like a joke, I don’t feel that’s as out of left field as is being suggested. It’s being tossed to show that it’s not a holy object, and given where Luke is at spiritually makes the most sense for his character to do. Calling it a laser sword is quoting the original trilogy, and again echos the dismissiveness that fits Luke’s character. As for porgs playing with it, that’s no more silly that Luke about to stab himself in the face in A New Hope or Anakin’s previous lightsaber being chopped in half and Anakin treating the moment like his parent is gonna ground him for getting a bad grade on homework.

In the trevorrow episode 9 script it does appear like lukes does. The beginning of that script basically is the same as the jabba palace intro of rotj: rose, Finn, poe, bb8, and rey all are snooping around a village and they have masks on like leia and lando had on. Rey appears with her double bladed saber, just like Luke during this intro.

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The message of The Last Jedi is stated most clearly by Yoda:

“We are what they grow beyond.”

It’s about letting go of the past, but it shows that there’s a heathy and an unhealthy way to do that. Luke and Kylo do it by destroying the past that they’re unable to be rid of. Poe, Rose, and Rey learn to release it, grow from it, and protect others from making their mistakes.

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I agree that’s a message to take away from TLJ, but there’s something to be said about honoring the past too.

Feels important to mention that one of my biggest problems with TROS was the lazy return of Anakin’s saber and I suggested the crackle idea lol

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Brewzter said:

I agree that’s a message to take away from TLJ, but there’s something to be said about honoring the past too.

I feel like it does honour the past, but it focuses on the past’s ideas and flaws rather than just reusing props and plot ideas. Again, look at how Yoda was used, and the overall message of the movie. It was never disrespectful. Look how it treated Luke, imagine how disrespectful to the character to pretend that he just paused for 30 years with zero growth— especially with Abrams making him a macguffin, where he has let this new empire rise and Han die. If he was as we remembered him, that plot point should never have happened.

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JakeRyan17 said:

I didn’t want her building it, I just wanted it to appear, like Luke’s appeared.

But Luke’s saber had an established origin story, since Vader confirmed that Luke constructed it himself. Rey finally building her own lightsaber would be an important step on her character arc, just like it was for Luke.

As for treating it like a joke, I don’t feel that’s as out of left field as is being suggested. It’s being tossed to show that it’s not a holy object, and given where Luke is at spiritually makes the most sense for his character to do. Calling it a laser sword is quoting the original trilogy, and again echos the dismissiveness that fits Luke’s character. As for porgs playing with it, that’s no more silly that Luke about to stab himself in the face in A New Hope or Anakin’s previous lightsaber being chopped in half and Anakin treating the moment like his parent is gonna ground him for getting a bad grade on homework.

A few criticisms of that:

  1. I already said that I agree with Rian’s stance in theory. Lightsabers aren’t holy objects, and they shouldn’t be treated as such. I just feel like TLJ went too far.
  2. The term “laser sword” never appeared in the OT. The only time it was used elsewhere was when Anakin realized Qui-Gon was a Jedi, where it was used to show his inexperience in the Force. The explanation of Luke being dismissive might make sense though. I guess I just don’t like Luke’s “sarcastic old man” attitude in TLJ.
  3. That scene of Luke almost stabbing himself was an alternate take that wasn’t used in the movie, and I didn’t like the “Obi-Wan’s gonna kill me” line anyways.

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StarkillerAG said:

  1. That scene of Luke almost stabbing himself was an alternate take that wasn’t used in the movie, and I didn’t like the “Obi-Wan’s gonna kill me” line anyways.

Wait that was a deleted scene?!
Do you have a source for that?

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There is only passion…

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Guys there are discussion threads for this…

After being beaten and battered by prequel hate, I promise not to be that to the next generation.

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idir_hh said:

StarkillerAG said:

  1. That scene of Luke almost stabbing himself was an alternate take that wasn’t used in the movie, and I didn’t like the “Obi-Wan’s gonna kill me” line anyways.

Wait that was a deleted scene?!
Do you have a source for that?

It’s not a deleted scene, it’s an alternate take of the scene in Obi-Wan’s hut. You can see a publicity shot of it here:

However, there is no equivalent frame in the actual movie.

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dgraham414 said:

Guys there are discussion threads for this…

Yeah, it’s probably best to stop. This conversation was off-topic from the very beginning, I was just adding my opinion.

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In case you didn’t hear me:

Yeah, it’s probably best to stop. This conversation was off-topic from the very beginning, I was just adding my opinion.

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How many replies saying it should be in another thread before it’s okay to tell those people to get back on topic?

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Hal, are you finally including/considering DominicCobb’s idea for rescoring the Final Order revelation with the “Anthem of Evil” track? Or are you keeping the Imperial march?

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JakeRyan17 said:

How many replies saying it should be in another thread before it’s okay to tell those people to get back on topic?

How many replies saying that we should get back on track before you finally listen to me?

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idir_hh said:

He’s actually a professional film director in Spain. Probably got a lot on his plate.

Citation needed. Or is this a joke?

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Ahsoka’s Walkabout as well, and was one of the people who said Han should be replaced with Nyx, and then Lando and Nyx both were replaced by the Martez sisters more recently.

Wookieepedia says Lucas actually ordered it written into the show’s bible that Han be off limits, so that doesn’t quite add up.

Could just play the audio at the start of the movie right before/as it fades into “A long time ago, in a Galaxy far far away.” Have it cut out as those words fade out, then Boom. Star Wars crawl begins.

I could get behind that, given I’m planning on sticking Mustafar and the Palps reveal at the end of TLJ.

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Knight of Kalee said:

Hal, are you finally including/considering DominicCobb’s idea for rescoring the Final Order revelation with the “Anthem of Evil” track? Or are you keeping the Imperial march?

I’m leaving the Imperial March in order to imply as strongly as I can that these are old imperial ships that were stashed away. (For lack of a way to explicitly state as much.)

My stance on revising fan edits.