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The Prequels Strike Back: A Fan's Journey — Page 4

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ZkinandBonez said:

imperialscum said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Too many people act like movies should adhere to a strict, realistic narrative – that there should always be a clear series of events with a defined beginning, middle, and end, with characters acting/reacting logically. They don’t have to and they shouldn’t have to.

There’s nothing wrong with finding surrealist filmmaking not to your liking – if it’s not to your tastes, it’s not to your tastes. But when you insist that its bad – with no understanding of the genre – then you’re just being a narrow-minded populist.

You have just defended PT without noticing it.

Last time I checked SW was not an attempt at “surrealist filmmaking”.

Idk, the bubble opera of innuendo was pretty surreal.

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Tyrphanax said:
It’s okay that they were bad. Bad movies happen. Just because they’re part of Star Wars doesn’t mean you have to make up reasons to like them.

Yeah we really live in a terrible world pal. People who dare to like things you don’t.

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suspiciouscoffee said:

ZkinandBonez said:

imperialscum said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Too many people act like movies should adhere to a strict, realistic narrative – that there should always be a clear series of events with a defined beginning, middle, and end, with characters acting/reacting logically. They don’t have to and they shouldn’t have to.

There’s nothing wrong with finding surrealist filmmaking not to your liking – if it’s not to your tastes, it’s not to your tastes. But when you insist that its bad – with no understanding of the genre – then you’re just being a narrow-minded populist.

You have just defended PT without noticing it.

Last time I checked SW was not an attempt at “surrealist filmmaking”.

Idk, the bubble opera of innuendo was pretty surreal.

A lot of films have surreal or abstract moments in them (f.ex. the Dagobah cave vision). However that does not make the entire film “surreal”.
Mulholland Drive is a surreal movie and the plot is very hard to describe (except for on a very basic level).
SW on the other hand is pretty straight forward as it follows a very normal story structure. It may have subleties, and even some weird moments, but all in all they’re all good vs evil action/adventure stories.

I’d hardly put them in the same category ad Eraserhead simply because of the bubble opera scene in ROTS.

Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.

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ZkinandBonez said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

ZkinandBonez said:

imperialscum said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Too many people act like movies should adhere to a strict, realistic narrative – that there should always be a clear series of events with a defined beginning, middle, and end, with characters acting/reacting logically. They don’t have to and they shouldn’t have to.

There’s nothing wrong with finding surrealist filmmaking not to your liking – if it’s not to your tastes, it’s not to your tastes. But when you insist that its bad – with no understanding of the genre – then you’re just being a narrow-minded populist.

You have just defended PT without noticing it.

Last time I checked SW was not an attempt at “surrealist filmmaking”.

Idk, the bubble opera of innuendo was pretty surreal.

A lot of films have surreal or abstract moments in them (f.ex. the Dagobah cave vision). However that does not make the entire film “surreal”.
Mulholland Drive is a surreal movie and the plot is very hard to describe (except for on a very basic level).
SW on the other hand is pretty straight forward as it follows a very normal story structure. It may have subleties, and even some weird moments, but all in all they’re all good vs evil action/adventure stories.

I’d hardly put them in the same category ad Eraserhead simply because of the bubble opera scene in ROTS.

I wasn’t being totally serious (or serious at all really).

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Imp’scum has tainted this thread with his septic tank contents. Now people are seeing his caustic illogic in posts where it doesn’t actually exist.

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Well, I’ve seen weirder counter arguments on this forum before, so I figured it was better to be safe than sorry.

(Also, people’s avatars aren’t updating properly when I’m on my phone, so I didn’t notice immediately who wrote it either.)

Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.

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MalàStrana said:

Tyrphanax said:
It’s okay that they were bad. Bad movies happen. Just because they’re part of Star Wars doesn’t mean you have to make up reasons to like them.

Yeah we really live in a terrible world pal.

A world where you and Tyr are pals does indeed sound terrible.

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TV’s Frink said:

MalàStrana said:

Tyrphanax said:
It’s okay that they were bad. Bad movies happen. Just because they’re part of Star Wars doesn’t mean you have to make up reasons to like them.

Yeah we really live in a terrible world pal.

A world where you and Tyr are pals does indeed sound terrible.

I’ll never join him!

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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MalàStrana said:

Tyrphanax said:
It’s okay that they were bad. Bad movies happen. Just because they’re part of Star Wars doesn’t mean you have to make up reasons to like them.

Yeah we really live in a terrible world pal. People who dare to like things you don’t.

I’m not worried about people liking things I don’t. I like a lot of things other people don’t like. I also love bad movies thanks to being a weirdo and when I found MST3K, I realized I wasn’t alone.

My issue is that the reason people like the PT isn’t because they’re good movies. This is proven by the need for them to create all these elaborate theories about how the PT is good. They have to justify it to everyone else, including themselves, because I know a lot of these people realize the PT films are not good.

The issue isn’t that they like them, it’s that they feel like they have to like them because they’re Star Wars fans or Lucas fans or whatever. It’s really okay to acknowledge that they’re bad films. I enjoy watching dreck like Plan Nine From Outer Space not because it’s a good movie, not because I have some elaborate theory complete with logical leaps and grasping at straws that makes it “secretly good,” but because it’s a bad movie and I’ve accepted that. It’s the denial that annoys me with the PT.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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The Phantom Menace is a bad movie. Yet, I like The Phantom Menace.

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I’m living dangerously, I caved in and bought the digital download. We’ll see how this turns out…

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Watched it last night, pretty much what I expected.
Yeah, so there’s quite the quality of cringy quotes that I could put out from this. I’ll have to make a top worst list. One of the worst I can think of so far, is in the Jar-Jar section:

Jar Jar is actually based on Goofy. The funny thing is, if you look at old classic Disney movies, Walt Disney would always put in butt jokes. Feel free to Google “Walt Disney animation butt jokes.” There are butt jokes in all of those films, and I’ll tell you why. He noticed that, in his short films, that whenever there was, like, a butt, I’m talking about, like, an animal butt, like a rabbit, something innocent, little children giggled. And little children giggling in the audience actually got everyone else in the audience to laugh.

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emanswfan said:

Watched it last night, pretty much what I expected.
Yeah, so there’s quite the quality of cringy quotes that I could put out from this. I’ll have to make a top worst list. One of the worst I can think of so far, is in the Jar-Jar section:

Jar Jar is actually based on Goofy. The funny thing is, if you look at old classic Disney movies, Walt Disney would always put in butt jokes. Feel free to Google “Walt Disney animation butt jokes.” There are butt jokes in all of those films, and I’ll tell you why. He noticed that, in his short films, that whenever there was, like, a butt, I’m talking about, like, an animal butt, like a rabbit, something innocent, little children giggled. And little children giggling in the audience actually got everyone else in the audience to laugh.

Please, please, please do make that list. Just that sample right there is amazing.

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That quote must be a butt joke. Not only is it funny, it’s full of ass.

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Ah yes, I love the Goofy cartoon where he literally steps in crap. It’s Disney’s finest work.

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The David Lynch hate in this thread is beyond ignorant, especially to anyone who claims to love films as an art form. Calling it random attempts at artsy crap is such a biased and misinformed view on his work. Do some research on surrealism and maybe get an understanding of film language and how he plays with the rules of it.

The same people who dislike Lynch on this site seem to also not grasp the humor style in the Plinkett reviews. Some call it dark edgy humor, but its not really that at all. Its ironic surrealist comedy. RedLetterMedia, specifically Jay are influenced by David Lynch as well as the comedic style of Tim Heidecker who made a guest appearance on one of their episodes of Half in The Bag. Heidecker is also hugely influenced by David Lynch. It all comes full circle now. Some people just have a fundamental misunderstanding of the context of what any of them are doing.

I hate the prequels but at least a lot of its defenders are educated enough on the subjects they discuss.

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Hey, I said I liked Dune, and The Elephant Man, didn’t I? And I think Lynch’s take on ROTJ would have been interesting. 😃

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Where were you in '77?

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Which is hilarious because I don’t claim to love films as an art form and I enjoy the Plinkett reviews.

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TV’s Frink said:

Which is hilarious because I don’t claim to love films as an art form and I enjoy the Plinkett reviews.

Wasn’t aiming my comments towards you, just the overall discussion on both topics and what I noticed.

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I had mixed feelings about the prequels for a long time. I’ve warmed up to them over the years so I decided to finally watch this documentary. I enjoyed it very much, despite not agreeing with every point they made. I think it’s pretty good and I recommend anyone curious to check it out.