The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 129

I mean, the vision came true. That’s the whole point. At the end of her Jedi path, her son died.

omnimuffin said:

I mean, the vision came true. That’s the whole point. At the end of her Jedi path, her son died.

Very good point. Anakin had a vision of Padme dying which made him turn to the Dark Side, and the vision still came true.

Movies Remastered said:

majoras_wrath said:

omnimuffin said:

I mean, the vision came true. That’s the whole point. At the end of her Jedi path, her son died.

Very good point. Anakin had a vision of Padme dying which made him turn to the Dark Side, and the vision still came true.

Very good points but I feel that Leia training Rey actually contributes to Ben’s death. It doesn’t make sense to me plus Rey saying she’s a Skywalker doesn’t make sense. By the end of TROS she has stolen the Falcon, Stolen BB8, and taken the Skywalker name. All that left me with a bad taste.

She hasn’t stolen any of those things.

jarbear said:

Vision or not, Ben cannot survive.

Like Darth Vader, these two were only “redeemed” by one person. The whole galaxy would not forgive these Space Hitlers. It is a simpler ending to have them die, then to have them live. Ben would have to stay in hiding for the rest of his life from THE ENTIRE GALEXY and Rey would have to hook up with him in secret since she would be aiding and abetting A MASS MURDERER.

The more I think of the “Reylo” thing it makes me roll my eyes harder and harder.

Anyway, that’s my two cents on that topic.

This all being said, I’d absolutely read or watch a story wherein Ben is put on trial. I think that you could get an extremely interesting legal drama out of that. Character witnesses and testimony as an excuse to flash back to Ben’s childhood and to during his time during the First Order. Impassioned speeches about the importance of redemption, of justice, etc. You could have interludes on other planets in the galaxy, dealing with the cleanup of the galaxy-wide uprising.

Optimally, Disney Expanded Universe-wise, the most fun prosecutor would be Ransolm Casterfo, as a former member of the New Republic Senate, a student of Imperial History, as somebody whose life was personally effected by Darth Vader, as somebody who was framed by the First Order and later imprisoned by them, and as a close personal friend of Leia’s; you could get a lot of good angst with him wrestling with the conflicting ideas of justice applying to all equally and prosecuting his lost friend’s son.

Anyway, I think that might have been neat, lol.

idir_hh said:

Rey taking the name and inheritaing the legacy of our heroes could have been compelling, had her relationship with the legacy characters been fleshed out.

I think that was their original intention, but of course, Carrie Fisher unfortunately died. It really does seem like Leia was set up to do some major emotional/moral/thematic heavy lifting in TROS. I think they did the best with what they had to work with, but to me, this is biggest issue with the film.

jarbear said:

Vision or not, Ben cannot survive.

Like Darth Vader, these two were only “redeemed” by one person. The whole galaxy would not forgive these Space Hitlers. It is a simpler ending to have them die, then to have them live. Ben would have to stay in hiding for the rest of his life from THE ENTIRE GALEXY and Rey would have to hook up with him in secret since she would be aiding and abetting A MASS MURDERER.

The more I think of the “Reylo” thing it makes me roll my eyes harder and harder.

Anyway, that’s my two cents on that topic.

Yeah, Ben has to go. I get the point of using a fan edit to make some big creative changes, but I just don’t see how anyone believes he should survive. The movie did such a poor job of executing the redemption of his character as it was (which is definitely an aspect that can be improved through an edit), but outright letting him live sends a dangerous message. This would be no different than Vader surviving. Sacrifice is really the best redemptive arc a character like Vader or Ben can have, considering all the atrocities they’ve performed. You are going to have a galaxy worth of skeptical citizens…now, imagine that person not only surviving but living among you. “But he’s changed…!” A life of isolation is the only realistic path here, but then that just makes for a sadder story than what we got. Ben becoming one with the Force and potentially showing up at the end as a Force ghost is consistent with mythology and is really the best case you can realistically hope for.

More power to anyone wanting to keep Ben alive in their edit, it’s just not a believable story decision for me personally. My 13-year old loves Disney stuff and she’s seen the sequel films and actually cringed at the Reylo moment. “Why would she kiss that maniac? He was such a bad person!” Couldn’t fool this teenager, but nice try Disney! 😃

majoras_wrath said:

Very good point. Anakin had a vision of Padme dying which made him turn to the Dark Side, and the vision still came true.

Luke saw a vision of kylo killing everything he loved, kylo caused Leia and Han’s death.

idir_hh said:

Maybe the galaxy thinks he is dead but I think the ideal would be to have him in self exile. A batman like figure that appears and disappears out of nowhere, helping out around the galaxy as a form of penance. A symbol.

As cheesy as it sounds, this is kind of what I would have wanted. Rey and Ben wouldn’t be hooking up in secret or anything, he’d just become a wandering fighter for justice, trying to right some of his wrongs. Potentially with his mother’s lightsaber.

Obviously there’s no way to make that happen in an edit, but it’s what seems like a feasible story decision to me. He DEFINITELY could not join up with the Resistance and be like “It’s cool, I’m a good guy now!”

She tried and failed to change the future, that’s a recurring theme in the series. Just because a plan didn’t work, that doesn’t mean there was no point.

axlanian said:

idir_hh said:

Maybe the galaxy thinks he is dead but I think the ideal would be to have him in self exile. A batman like figure that appears and disappears out of nowhere, helping out around the galaxy as a form of penance. A symbol.

As cheesy as it sounds, this is kind of what I would have wanted. Rey and Ben wouldn’t be hooking up in secret or anything, he’d just become a wandering fighter for justice, trying to right some of his wrongs. Potentially with his mother’s lightsaber.

Obviously there’s no way to make that happen in an edit, but it’s what seems like a feasible story decision to me. He DEFINITELY could not join up with the Resistance and be like “It’s cool, I’m a good guy now!”

Should be noted that Driver specifically said that Kylo-Ben’s story would not end the same way as Anakin’s.

I suspect, back when writing TFA, JJ and KK MIGHT have considered Kylo living at the end. Unfortunately, the overwhelming pressures of Disney needing the usual stereotypical bad vs good storyline ending meant that they didn’t want to take the risk and, yep, bad guy dies, good guy lives.

At the Lucasfilm purchase, someone at Disney (Maybe Iger?) likely wanted a completely blank franchise to start over with. In the planning stages, however, they were convinced they shouldn’t risk rebooting everything, so they did the safer nostalgia-based soft-remake. Hence all the interquels as well.

Suppose if you were to remove the existence of the OT completely. As in, this is a completely new SW universe.

Under Disney, it would’ve ended exactly the same as it did. Good guy lives, bad guy dies.

I personally would’ve found it brave if they’d let Kylo live. It may be possible to do an edit where he goes into exile, like Jon Snow did. If anything, Kylo should’ve been the one to vanish into the Tattooine desert while Rey goes off with her friends.

Yoda told Luke the future is always in motion. Luke had a vision of Han and Leia dying on Bespin, which he prevented by leaving Dagobah without completing his training. He also could’ve prevented all the “pain and suffering” if he had gone through and killed Ben. The deterministic approach to visions and prophecies was mostly a prequel thing.