The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 122

I’ve been lurking here for weeks now and I’ve gotta say that what you guys are doing here is incredible!

On to my possible contribution. In the early days of lockdown I did a very rough edit merging TLJ and TROS together. I’ll probably never going to release it as I mainly did it to pass the time.

Here’s some of my “big” ideas from the TROS end of it, perhaps something works for you?:

• Cut the guys seeing Rey leave Exegol. It makes her reunion with Finn much more emotional:

https://vimeo.com/423996042
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• Got rid of the space horses, it was always ridiculous to me. Video below is not how it’s edited as it’s missing a massive chunk. Just wanted to quickly show how Finn not saying “I have something for that” works and then showing how the landing bit works:

https://vimeo.com/423995968
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• Shifted Rey and Finn’s conversation about her on the Sith throne in Ochi’s ship to after they rescue Chewie and are talking in the Falcon. Where Finn says she doesn’t sound like herself, it just fits better here for me (had to do some minor FX + grading to make the shot fit):

https://vimeo.com/423995946
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• Experimented with Rey not stabbing Kylo, but we do see her give her life force to snake thing earlier to establish the force power. Imo, this gives Rey’s death more impact and makes Ben’s life force sacrifice more meaningful:

https://vimeo.com/423995990
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• Cut Chewie’s “death” and Rey’s extreme burst of lightning power that blows up the transport ship and all mentions of his death. Although I’m not sure if this works all that well because of the way the guys react when they found out he’s still alive:

https://vimeo.com/423995874
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• C3PO never gets his memories back, nor is there any mention of R2 being able to restore it. It makes his emotional goodbye actually mean something! I truly hated the “no consequences” element of the movie.

• Removed Finn trying to tell Rey something…he never actually does, so it always felt a bit weird to me.

Ah yeah, whoops! My bad. I’ll change that 😉

jonh said:

DarthYcey said:

Hal 9000 said:

I should have written it down because now I can’t remember!! Who’s DarthYcey on vimeo? I wanted to ask if you’d be able to export a ProRes version of your sequencing of part 2 of the ghost-relevant scene.

It’s the sort of thing I normally wouldn’t mind just recreating from eyeballing it, but any timesaves are immensely helpful.

Actually, I sent jonh my newly-timed version a few days ago. I believe he’s working on exporting a high-quality version with that sequencing of shots. I didn’t have hi-res footage myself when I threw that together, which was really just a (successful) test of whether shots could be trimmed and/or rearranged to maintain the existing music.

jedi Ghost part2_cut
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mwnDD8UdhrQt5y2l8uikuFCdipW7YtBL
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gVWMYGSngtu8DcTHL0jfBFsH5xWP8dwf

Jonh, I will love you forever for creating this. It’s majestic.

Why not cut out 3P0s memory thing altogether. Perhaps Photoshop in the dagger & the Planet its on in Reys book ? Also instead of the book being about the old Jedi order teachings & lessons. Why not simply have it be about powerful force objects / weapons / force training & learning specific moves etc. It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

Panakin said:
Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

Yes, but in TLJ he says failure is the greatest teacher of all. Rey would need to learn exactly what the Jedi did to understand how it failed.

axlanian said:

DarthYcey said:

Yeah, no problem. Btw, you’ll probably go a more conservative route with Mustafar, but thought I’d share a mockup I did to extend it and actually further Kylo’s arc beyond a minute long fetch for a holocron. If people could get permission from these guys to actually use the footage in their edits (I haven’t tried), it could be a very useful addition. I’ve made enough test edits at this point trying to fix issues, I should just start a thread and take a crack at doing the whole movie. haha

https://vimeo.com/423418971
fanedit

I feel like if the actual fight was trimmed more (and if Vader’s lines were cobbled together from actual James Earl Jones lines) this would work quite well. The vocal impression really pulls you out of the scene.

jordan_winter said:

DarthYcey said:

Yeah, no problem. Btw, you’ll probably go a more conservative route with Mustafar, but thought I’d share a mockup I did to extend it and actually further Kylo’s arc beyond a minute long fetch for a holocron. If people could get permission from these guys to actually use the footage in their edits (I haven’t tried), it could be a very useful addition. I’ve made enough test edits at this point trying to fix issues, I should just start a thread and take a crack at doing the whole movie. haha

https://vimeo.com/423418971
fanedit

This is absolutely fantastic! Overall I loved it and it really makes me sad that we didn’t get something of this level in the final cut. For the final movie in the Skywalker saga it makes me sad that the only call back to Vader (apart from the mask) was that one line on Exegol.

I do have a few nitpicks. First, the quality of the clips in the flashback are a little… off. I’m guessing this is due to the change in colour to try and get them to match TRoS?

The sound effects during the battle with the cultists either need to be ramped up or cut entirely.

The Star Destroyer that jumps out of hyperspace is a Final Order ship but then the TIEs are First Order flying towards Kylo’s destroyer. Bit confused by this, I’d maybe remove that Destroyer jump.

The fan film fight could probably be trimmed a little. Too much time with it and it’s becomes more obvious that it’s a fan film. I am surprised at how well it works though. Clever idea using the colour change and that clip of Kylo shaking his head chefs kiss

Otherwise though, bravo on some incredible editing!

Yeah, I actually cut almost a minute of the duel already…it’s quite long if you’ve seen the original. But I could see cutting even more of it to make the vision go by faster. The new Vader lines are from Battlefront 2, so obviously a different voice actor. And the destroyer jump is just temp (I know it’s a final order ship). The quality isn’t hi-res…it was mostly just a rough test to see if the concept would work. Appreciate the feedback!

axlanian said:

Panakin said:
Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

Yes, but in TLJ he says failure is the greatest teacher of all. Rey would need to learn exactly what the Jedi did to understand how it failed.

In any other franchise sure. But when Yoda & Obi-Wan & Qui-Gon & Anakin & Luke can show up as Force Ghosts at any given time. They would not let any future generations repeat their mistakes & they can explain things. TCJ is a terrible movie for any PT & OT character

Panakin said:
TCJ is a terrible movie for any PT & OT character

Go back to STC, dude. We’re having a good time here.

Panakin said:

Why not cut out 3P0s memory thing altogether. Perhaps Photoshop in the dagger & the Planet its on in Reys book ? Also instead of the book being about the old Jedi order teachings & lessons. Why not simply have it be about powerful force objects / weapons / force training & learning specific moves etc. It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

I mean, not in their entire. The obsession with their dogma and their connection to the corrupt Republic was the flaw. The core ideas- peacekeeping, empathy, justice, standing against the dark- these are good, and pure, and they were part of the Jedi long before the Republic crumble beneath its own weight.

Plus, it’s easier to know what flaws of the old ways to avoid if you, uh, know what the old ways are. You know what they say- ‘those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it’.

krausfadr said:

[jonh said:]

jedi Ghost part2_cut
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mwnDD8UdhrQt5y2l8uikuFCdipW7YtBL
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gVWMYGSngtu8DcTHL0jfBFsH5xWP8dwf

I feel like I got an early Christmas present. jonh, do you feel this is the final part 2 or are you going to work on it some more?

the FINAL! 😉

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

Why not cut out 3P0s memory thing altogether. Perhaps Photoshop in the dagger & the Planet its on in Reys book ? Also instead of the book being about the old Jedi order teachings & lessons. Why not simply have it be about powerful force objects / weapons / force training & learning specific moves etc. It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

I mean, not in their entire. The obsession with their dogma and their connection to the corrupt Republic was the flaw. The core ideas- peacekeeping, empathy, justice, standing against the dark- these are good, and pure, and they were part of the Jedi long before the Republic crumble beneath its own weight.

Plus, it’s easier to know what flaws of the old ways to avoid if you, uh, know what the old ways are. You know what they say- ‘those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it’.

But Yoda already learned the old Jedi ways did not work. Qui-Gon KNEW the old ways didnt work. Yoda & Qui-Gon alone would show up & explain things. This simply is not any other franchise. The old ways would be completely avoided in proper movies that gave a damn about decent story telling

Panakin said:

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

Why not cut out 3P0s memory thing altogether. Perhaps Photoshop in the dagger & the Planet its on in Reys book ? Also instead of the book being about the old Jedi order teachings & lessons. Why not simply have it be about powerful force objects / weapons / force training & learning specific moves etc. It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

I mean, not in their entire. The obsession with their dogma and their connection to the corrupt Republic was the flaw. The core ideas- peacekeeping, empathy, justice, standing against the dark- these are good, and pure, and they were part of the Jedi long before the Republic crumble beneath its own weight.

Plus, it’s easier to know what flaws of the old ways to avoid if you, uh, know what the old ways are. You know what they say- ‘those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it’.

But Yoda already learned the old Jedi ways did not work. Qui-Gon KNEW the old ways didnt work. Yoda & Qui-Gon alone would show up & explain things. This simply is not any other franchise. The old ways would be completely avoided in proper movies that gave a damn about decent story telling

Oh, you mean like Qui-Gon’s ghost showed up to tell Luke or Obi-Wan what to change about their teachings? We all remember that scene in the original trilogy. It was one of my favourites.

Also, original research will always trump a ghost lecturing you in terms of comprehensive knowledge. Jedi are monks, baby. They’re all ABOUT that research. They’re a bunch of hot nerds with laser swords, after all.

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

Why not cut out 3P0s memory thing altogether. Perhaps Photoshop in the dagger & the Planet its on in Reys book ? Also instead of the book being about the old Jedi order teachings & lessons. Why not simply have it be about powerful force objects / weapons / force training & learning specific moves etc. It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

I mean, not in their entire. The obsession with their dogma and their connection to the corrupt Republic was the flaw. The core ideas- peacekeeping, empathy, justice, standing against the dark- these are good, and pure, and they were part of the Jedi long before the Republic crumble beneath its own weight.

Plus, it’s easier to know what flaws of the old ways to avoid if you, uh, know what the old ways are. You know what they say- ‘those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it’.

But Yoda already learned the old Jedi ways did not work. Qui-Gon KNEW the old ways didnt work. Yoda & Qui-Gon alone would show up & explain things. This simply is not any other franchise. The old ways would be completely avoided in proper movies that gave a damn about decent story telling

Oh, you mean like Qui-Gon’s ghost showed up to tell Luke or Obi-Wan what to change about their teachings? We all remember that scene in the original trilogy. It was one of my favourites.

Also, original research will always trump a ghost lecturing you in terms of comprehensive knowledge. Jedi are monks, baby. They’re all ABOUT that research. They’re a bunch of hot nerds with laser swords, after all.

In movies THAT GAVE A DAMN ABOUT CONTINUITY yes the Ghosts would show up & guide Luke & help him avoid making the same mistakes & AVOID making more Darth Vaders for the sake of the Galaxy

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

Why not cut out 3P0s memory thing altogether. Perhaps Photoshop in the dagger & the Planet its on in Reys book ? Also instead of the book being about the old Jedi order teachings & lessons. Why not simply have it be about powerful force objects / weapons / force training & learning specific moves etc. It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

I mean, not in their entire. The obsession with their dogma and their connection to the corrupt Republic was the flaw. The core ideas- peacekeeping, empathy, justice, standing against the dark- these are good, and pure, and they were part of the Jedi long before the Republic crumble beneath its own weight.

Plus, it’s easier to know what flaws of the old ways to avoid if you, uh, know what the old ways are. You know what they say- ‘those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it’.

But Yoda already learned the old Jedi ways did not work. Qui-Gon KNEW the old ways didnt work. Yoda & Qui-Gon alone would show up & explain things. This simply is not any other franchise. The old ways would be completely avoided in proper movies that gave a damn about decent story telling

Oh, you mean like Qui-Gon’s ghost showed up to tell Luke or Obi-Wan what to change about their teachings? We all remember that scene in the original trilogy. It was one of my favourites.

Also, original research will always trump a ghost lecturing you in terms of comprehensive knowledge. Jedi are monks, baby. They’re all ABOUT that research. They’re a bunch of hot nerds with laser swords, after all.

The Jedi are also about saving & helping people & if the Jedi of old could & (they can) help avoid Kylo Ren & more Darth Vaders they would have in PROPERLY MADE MOVIES

Panakin said:

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

Why not cut out 3P0s memory thing altogether. Perhaps Photoshop in the dagger & the Planet its on in Reys book ? Also instead of the book being about the old Jedi order teachings & lessons. Why not simply have it be about powerful force objects / weapons / force training & learning specific moves etc. It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

I mean, not in their entire. The obsession with their dogma and their connection to the corrupt Republic was the flaw. The core ideas- peacekeeping, empathy, justice, standing against the dark- these are good, and pure, and they were part of the Jedi long before the Republic crumble beneath its own weight.

Plus, it’s easier to know what flaws of the old ways to avoid if you, uh, know what the old ways are. You know what they say- ‘those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it’.

But Yoda already learned the old Jedi ways did not work. Qui-Gon KNEW the old ways didnt work. Yoda & Qui-Gon alone would show up & explain things. This simply is not any other franchise. The old ways would be completely avoided in proper movies that gave a damn about decent story telling

Oh, you mean like Qui-Gon’s ghost showed up to tell Luke or Obi-Wan what to change about their teachings? We all remember that scene in the original trilogy. It was one of my favourites.

Also, original research will always trump a ghost lecturing you in terms of comprehensive knowledge. Jedi are monks, baby. They’re all ABOUT that research. They’re a bunch of hot nerds with laser swords, after all.

In movies THAT GAVE A DAMN ABOUT CONTINUITY yes the Ghosts would show up & guide Luke & help him avoid making the same mistakes & AVOID making more Darth Vaders for the sake of the Galaxy

Luke’s mistake had nothing to do with flawed prequel Jedi teachings. We have no evidence, frankly, that these conversations didn’t happen. In fact, all evidence points to Luke’s Jedi being a more conscientious bunch.

Kylo turned because he was corrupted by Palpatine, in secret. He was already ass deep in it when Luke went to confront him. Luke’s bad reaction to sensing this pushed him over the edge, sure, but it wasn’t the entire reason, and it had nothing to do with Luke inheriting the flaws of the old Jedi.

This was Luke’s flaw; his fear of his loved ones being harmed. He, for an instant, as he looked into Ben’s mind, perceived Ben Solo as a threat to everything he cared for, and that same instinct that led to him nearly brutalizing Vader to death on the Death Star resurfaced. The battle against the dark side inside each and every person is lifelong, and Luke is unfortunately no exception.

Ben Solo is not Anakin Skywalker. He didn’t fall because of some desperate, obsessive desire to save a loved one. Ben Solo fell to the dark side because a) Palpatine had been speaking to him in his head, whispering in his ear, since childhood, feeding his doubts and insecurities, and b) because Ben Solo believed his bloodline, his ‘inheritance’ made him better than his fellow Jedi.

The movies make this pretty clear, honestly. He processes everything through the lens of ‘I am the most important person in this story’. He obsesses with Anakin’s saber, seeing as his birthright. He obsesses over Vader’s legacy and his artifacts. When he tries to turn Rey, it’s ‘you don’t have a place in this story’. He claims to want to destroy the past, but he can’t, because Kylo Ren is obsessed with his role as the inheritor of legacies. It’s a core facet of who Kylo Ren is.

Hal 9000 said:

Dude, that’s now how ghosts and spirits of ancestors work in stories. It’s no more a plot hole than “why didn’t Gandalf just blow everything up and stab Sauron in the face? He outranks him as a Maiar!”

In Star Wars thats how it works. They literally show up & help guide characters. Return Of The Jedi alone shows this

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

Why not cut out 3P0s memory thing altogether. Perhaps Photoshop in the dagger & the Planet its on in Reys book ? Also instead of the book being about the old Jedi order teachings & lessons. Why not simply have it be about powerful force objects / weapons / force training & learning specific moves etc. It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

I mean, not in their entire. The obsession with their dogma and their connection to the corrupt Republic was the flaw. The core ideas- peacekeeping, empathy, justice, standing against the dark- these are good, and pure, and they were part of the Jedi long before the Republic crumble beneath its own weight.

Plus, it’s easier to know what flaws of the old ways to avoid if you, uh, know what the old ways are. You know what they say- ‘those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it’.

But Yoda already learned the old Jedi ways did not work. Qui-Gon KNEW the old ways didnt work. Yoda & Qui-Gon alone would show up & explain things. This simply is not any other franchise. The old ways would be completely avoided in proper movies that gave a damn about decent story telling

Oh, you mean like Qui-Gon’s ghost showed up to tell Luke or Obi-Wan what to change about their teachings? We all remember that scene in the original trilogy. It was one of my favourites.

Also, original research will always trump a ghost lecturing you in terms of comprehensive knowledge. Jedi are monks, baby. They’re all ABOUT that research. They’re a bunch of hot nerds with laser swords, after all.

In movies THAT GAVE A DAMN ABOUT CONTINUITY yes the Ghosts would show up & guide Luke & help him avoid making the same mistakes & AVOID making more Darth Vaders for the sake of the Galaxy

Luke’s mistake had nothing to do with flawed prequel Jedi teachings. We have no evidence, frankly, that these conversations didn’t happen. In fact, all evidence points to Luke’s Jedi being a more conscientious bunch.

Kylo turned because he was corrupted by Palpatine, in secret. He was already ass deep in it when Luke went to confront him. Luke’s bad reaction to sensing this pushed him over the edge, sure, but it wasn’t the entire reason, and it had nothing to do with Luke inheriting the flaws of the old Jedi.

Ben Solo is not Anakin Skywalker. He didn’t fall because of some desperate, obsessive desire to save a loved one. Ben Solo fell to the dark side because a) Palpatine had been speaking to him in his head, whispering in his ear, since childhood, feeding his doubts and insecurities, and b) because Ben Solo believed his bloodline, his ‘inheritance’ made him better than his fellow Jedi.

The movies make this pretty clear, honestly. He processes everything through the lens of ‘I am the most important person in this story’. He obsesses with Anakin’s saber, seeing as his birthright. He obsesses over Vader’s legacy and his artifacts. When he tries to turn Rey, it’s ‘you don’t have a place in this story’. He claims to want to destroy the past, but he can’t, because Kylo Ren is obsessed with his role as the inheritor of legacies. It’s a core facet of who Kylo Ren is.

Anakin would have seen what was happening with Ben like Yoda saw what was going on with Luke. Anakin gets through 2 Ben by explaining things with his own words. These movies as is are just bad fan fiction

Panakin said:

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

Why not cut out 3P0s memory thing altogether. Perhaps Photoshop in the dagger & the Planet its on in Reys book ? Also instead of the book being about the old Jedi order teachings & lessons. Why not simply have it be about powerful force objects / weapons / force training & learning specific moves etc. It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

I mean, not in their entire. The obsession with their dogma and their connection to the corrupt Republic was the flaw. The core ideas- peacekeeping, empathy, justice, standing against the dark- these are good, and pure, and they were part of the Jedi long before the Republic crumble beneath its own weight.

Plus, it’s easier to know what flaws of the old ways to avoid if you, uh, know what the old ways are. You know what they say- ‘those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it’.

But Yoda already learned the old Jedi ways did not work. Qui-Gon KNEW the old ways didnt work. Yoda & Qui-Gon alone would show up & explain things. This simply is not any other franchise. The old ways would be completely avoided in proper movies that gave a damn about decent story telling

Oh, you mean like Qui-Gon’s ghost showed up to tell Luke or Obi-Wan what to change about their teachings? We all remember that scene in the original trilogy. It was one of my favourites.

Also, original research will always trump a ghost lecturing you in terms of comprehensive knowledge. Jedi are monks, baby. They’re all ABOUT that research. They’re a bunch of hot nerds with laser swords, after all.

In movies THAT GAVE A DAMN ABOUT CONTINUITY yes the Ghosts would show up & guide Luke & help him avoid making the same mistakes & AVOID making more Darth Vaders for the sake of the Galaxy

Luke’s mistake had nothing to do with flawed prequel Jedi teachings. We have no evidence, frankly, that these conversations didn’t happen. In fact, all evidence points to Luke’s Jedi being a more conscientious bunch.

Kylo turned because he was corrupted by Palpatine, in secret. He was already ass deep in it when Luke went to confront him. Luke’s bad reaction to sensing this pushed him over the edge, sure, but it wasn’t the entire reason, and it had nothing to do with Luke inheriting the flaws of the old Jedi.

Ben Solo is not Anakin Skywalker. He didn’t fall because of some desperate, obsessive desire to save a loved one. Ben Solo fell to the dark side because a) Palpatine had been speaking to him in his head, whispering in his ear, since childhood, feeding his doubts and insecurities, and b) because Ben Solo believed his bloodline, his ‘inheritance’ made him better than his fellow Jedi.

The movies make this pretty clear, honestly. He processes everything through the lens of ‘I am the most important person in this story’. He obsesses with Anakin’s saber, seeing as his birthright. He obsesses over Vader’s legacy and his artifacts. When he tries to turn Rey, it’s ‘you don’t have a place in this story’. He claims to want to destroy the past, but he can’t, because Kylo Ren is obsessed with his role as the inheritor of legacies. It’s a core facet of who Kylo Ren is.

Anakin would have seen what was happening with Ben like Yoda saw what was going on with Luke. Anakin gets through 2 Ben by explaining things with his own words. These movies as is are just bad fan fiction

Would he have? Force ghosts are not gods. They aren’t omnipotent, and they clearly can’t always appear anywhere at all times. Qui-gon certainly didn’t show up on Dagobah to tell Luke that he didn’t have to kill Vader, and that there was a better way. Nope! It was just Obi-Wan and Yoda, telling Luke that he HAD to kill his father.

Panakin said:

It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

Yoda already knew the books were elsewhere. That conversation was about having Luke let go of the shame and fear that paralysed him. Yoda wasn’t saying the Jedi needed to end, he was teaching his student to let go and trust again.