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The Original Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 14

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The Death Star has to explode in ANH. It’s the climax image that musical cue without the thing blowing to smithereens. We may not be blowing it up completely, but the explosion should still be explosive, with all the same momentum.

Anyway let’s talk about music. Now there’s nothing really “wrong” with the OT’s music, besides the absence of the Imperial March in ANH, something easily fixed. However, what if we opened our minds and considered making some slight alterations anyway. Namely, I’m talking about giving each of the three main heroes a theme. Leia already has one, and Han has one Williams composed for Solo that isn’t used in the Saga. The only one entirely missing a theme is Luke, as his was hijacked to serve as the series theme when it outlived his story. I wonder if it would be possible to reverse engineer a theme for him from Luke and Leia. Like, something similar but still distinct from Luke and Leia. Like how Han Solo and the Princess kinda sounds like Leia’s theme (and Marion’s from Indiana Jones…) but isn’t. These character themes wouldn’t need to play every time they’re onscreen, but in pivotal character moments, first appearances, and reveals. Something to think about.

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Eh, even though Luke’s theme was hijacked in the prequels and sequels I think it would be too much trouble and too little payoff to make him a new one, when in the OT itself, it works fine.

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I’m considering a few things, though most of these are more “conservative” than radical, they touch on things that many people would consider sacred cows.

For ANH:
Start with the “Vader Cut”
Cut C-3PO not remembering Obi-Wan in convos with R2, try and make it seem like he’s pretending around Luke until he knows he’s safe
Cut Obi-Wan not remembering R2
Cut Obi-Wan saying Owen hated that Anakin went off on some fool crusade
Cut Obi-Wan calling Anakin a cunning warrior
Cut all references to Tarkin having authority over Vader
Cut the probe droid from the Leia interrogation, find a way to imply she resisted via the Force

ESB:
Trim the antagonism in the Leia/Han romance to make him less of a pushy asshole who doesn’t listen when a woman says she isn’t interested. And so his “I know” is actually charming.
Either reinstate Temeura Morrison’s Boba Fett redub or source new lines.
Cut Obi-Wan’s “that boy was our only hope” and Yoda’s “no, there is another”. It goes nowhere if they are referring to Leia and is an unnecessary sequel hook

RotJ:

Luke arrives to Vader unarmed, takes Vader’s saber to attack Sheev, Vader defends with Obi-Wan’s lightsaber.

End on Luke burning Vader’s body

My Edits:
Revenge of the Sith: Refocused Available

The Clone Wars Refocused: The Chosen One (Mortis Episode)

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Delpheas said:

I’m considering a few things, though most of these are more “conservative” than radical, they touch on things that many people would consider sacred cows.

Cut Obi-Wan calling Anakin a cunning warrior

I like most of these little continuity tweaks, but I was wondering what your idea was with this one. I’ve always thought one of the best things about TCW is that it shows us an Anakin who does fit that description.

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Cut C-3PO not remembering Obi-Wan in convos with R2, try and make it seem like he’s pretending around Luke until he knows he’s safe

You do realize they explicitly wipe his memory in RotS? Are you planning on eliminating that too?

Trim the antagonism in the Leia/Han romance to make him less of a pushy asshole who doesn’t listen when a woman says she isn’t interested.

Glad I’m not the only one. One person’s tsundere is another person’s sexual harassment victim.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Cut C-3PO not remembering Obi-Wan in convos with R2, try and make it seem like he’s pretending around Luke until he knows he’s safe

You do realize they explicitly wipe his memory in RotS? Are you planning on eliminating that too?

Yep, the way it happens in RotS is played as a joke, and as SW continues to provide more and more nuanced droid characters, it becomes horrifically cruel and callous. AND it makes him willingly sacrificing his memory in TRoS kinda meaningless.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Trim the antagonism in the Leia/Han romance to make him less of a pushy asshole who doesn’t listen when a woman says she isn’t interested.

Glad I’m not the only one. One person’s tsundere is another person’s sexual harassment victim.

It was actually pretty upsetting for my partner and I during our last watch through of the Saga, so when we got to ESB and they were arguing on Hoth we stopped and skipped right to TFA.

sade1212 said:

Delpheas said:

I’m considering a few things, though most of these are more “conservative” than radical, they touch on things that many people would consider sacred cows.

Cut Obi-Wan calling Anakin a cunning warrior

I like most of these little continuity tweaks, but I was wondering what your idea was with this one. I’ve always thought one of the best things about TCW is that it shows us an Anakin who does fit that description.

My current issue with that line is that he is praising Anakin’s warrior prowess, which seems to me to contradict the understanding the surviving Jedi have that becoming warriors and fighting in the war was a major factor in their downfall. Luke acts on this in RotJ when he throws away his weapon as he declares himself a Jedi.

My Edits:
Revenge of the Sith: Refocused Available

The Clone Wars Refocused: The Chosen One (Mortis Episode)

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I’ve been playing around on the sail barge fight scene, trying to cut Boba Fett from the whole affair. I’ve found that the most difficult part has been getting the right coverage to maintain a decent pace.

The first take has more of the fight intact, albeit with one slowed shot and one wide shot with Fett in it (he’d be roto’ed out). The second take cuts from Lando falling off to the other skiff firing on the heroes’ craft.

Here’s the video. Password: fett

It’s sloppy, but I think it’s possible.

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Fett’s silly death is pretty in keeping with the tone of the ST, actually.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Fett’s silly death is pretty in keeping with the tone of the ST, actually.

Eh, I’d rather not less the ST’s tone detract from one of the OT’s better action scenes. Besides, eliminating Fett in Jedi adds to his mystery in Empire. He’s a cool guy who now doesn’t get exposed for being a dummy!

The side benefit is that the force kick is now also gone unless you want to paint Fett out of the shot.

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Awhile ago I edited Fett’s death so that Luke is responsible for it. I can upload a clip later.

My Edits:
Revenge of the Sith: Refocused Available

The Clone Wars Refocused: The Chosen One (Mortis Episode)

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Well the top comment says they think their father had that tape and that the “Luke” was simply a technical error.

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Okay, so here’s the clip from when I was working on “Last of the Jedi” many years ago. I may get back to the project eventually, if I do it would hopefully be better, I had done a lot of the editing of the film before I had Vegas so it wasn’t great. So I’m not actually proud of it. 😕

Also I was running out of harddrive space before I finally upgraded, and I exported the whole film to 480p mpeg to to cut the file size…

But as it is, it does show that making Luke kill Fett can work.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19EjAWxYdDOaiWOV3VNHOLeSsYfpwyBh8/view?usp=drivesdk

My Edits:
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The Clone Wars Refocused: The Chosen One (Mortis Episode)

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thebluefrog said:

Speaking of editing the original trilogy…something seems off here with Vader’s lines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZCo_hZLyh0&feature=youtu.be

Does that “Luke, I am your father” seem off? People seem to be trying to sneak in edits as legitimate clips.

You can hear the music cue from “Luke, you do not yet realize your importance” when he says “Luke, I am your father” in that clip but I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.

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Delpheas said:

RotJ:

Luke arrives to Vader unarmed, takes Vader’s saber to attack Sheev, Vader defends with Obi-Wan’s lightsaber.

End on Luke burning Vader’s body

Why shouldn’t Luke attack with Obi Wan’s blade?
After all, Obi wan and Yoda ask him to fight Vader and Luke dropping the saber would conclude this conflict well.

On the other hand: what would be the motivation for Vader to fight with the very weapon that made him the machine he is?
Is it him holding on to the though of himself as irredeemable?

“Vader! Hologram, now!”

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Peter Pan said:

Delpheas said:

RotJ:

Luke arrives to Vader unarmed, takes Vader’s saber to attack Sheev, Vader defends with Obi-Wan’s lightsaber.

End on Luke burning Vader’s body

Why shouldn’t Luke attack with Obi Wan’s blade?
After all, Obi wan and Yoda ask him to fight Vader and Luke dropping the saber would conclude this conflict well.

On the other hand: what would be the motivation for Vader to fight with the very weapon that made him the machine he is?
Is it him holding on to the though of himself as irredeemable?

It’s because the teaser poster was really cool, and people want to make recreations of that.

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Delpheas said:

Okay, so here’s the clip from when I was working on “Last of the Jedi” many years ago. I may get back to the project eventually, if I do it would hopefully be better, I had done a lot of the editing of the film before I had Vegas so it wasn’t great. So I’m not actually proud of it. 😕

Also I was running out of harddrive space before I finally upgraded, and I exported the whole film to 480p mpeg to to cut the file size…

But as it is, it does show that making Luke kill Fett can work.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19EjAWxYdDOaiWOV3VNHOLeSsYfpwyBh8/view?usp=drivesdk

It’s a decent solution, but I’m more a fan of just cutting Fett completely out of the movie. Unless the blast from the barge kills him (or is deflected by Luke at him), I just think it looks kinda ham-fisted.

I don’t know if anybody can mock it up, but when Fett hits the ground, could it look like he’s been fatally injured (e.g., blaster damage, just his helmet falling down, etc.?)?

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StarkillerAG said:

Peter Pan said:

Delpheas said:

RotJ:

Luke arrives to Vader unarmed, takes Vader’s saber to attack Sheev, Vader defends with Obi-Wan’s lightsaber.

End on Luke burning Vader’s body

Why shouldn’t Luke attack with Obi Wan’s blade?
After all, Obi wan and Yoda ask him to fight Vader and Luke dropping the saber would conclude this conflict well.

On the other hand: what would be the motivation for Vader to fight with the very weapon that made him the machine he is?
Is it him holding on to the though of himself as irredeemable?

It’s because the teaser poster was really cool, and people want to make recreations of that.

Exactly because of the poster, but also because thematically it teases Luke’s near turn to the dark side and later failure as a teacher, as well as Anakin’s return to kill Vader and Sidious.

My Edits:
Revenge of the Sith: Refocused Available

The Clone Wars Refocused: The Chosen One (Mortis Episode)