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Neerb said:

kewlfish said:

So for that scene do you think a force ghost outline would be more subtle/better? Or what is idea for showing the influence of the Force Ghost?

If you’re interested in Force Ghost influence, jonh just blew everyone’s mind with an edit in another thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-The-Rise-Of-Skywalker-Redux-Ideas-thread/id/71460/page/84#1343405

Okay that was pretty sic, so much talent on here.

Clips - for Editors folder -https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mfEISVdMldOKuSNjcjYO2QSggvqI_7-Y

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Irrelevant thoughts about Kylo’s fate, though I know people have been discussed it before.

The kiss-to-death scene is practically comical and needs to be edited, I think, but I think there are two ways it could be done.

  1. Cut away before death. The kiss is the closure to their relationship, but Ben can’t just come back and be accepted after all he’s done, so Rey leaves alone and Ben’s fate is left completely ambiguous (and canonically he still just dies off-screen).
  2. Cut the kiss out, so Ben dies after reviving Rey, making it clearer to the audience that he’s sacrificed himself to heal her and tragically ripping away their chance at closure. Of course, we do still need closure for them, so in this scenario, Ben’s force ghost needs to be standing with Leia and Luke so that he and Rey get that last knowing glance at each other. This also goes that tiny extra distance to better sell “Rey Skywalker” (especially with her more emotional take), to the point that I honestly don’t think “Just Rey” should even be considered with this specific version. And this of course to go along with the other ending changes, like the Falcon take-off, Rey’s Theme, and removing “Rey. Rey who?” if it doesn’t hurt the pace too much.

I like #2 more personally, but I know some people didn’t want Ben to die on screen.

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Yeah, I wish Ben had survived the movie, but if there’s ever actually good canon material set after TROS, then I think the only real option which would maintain continuity would be to stick his ghost in and cut the kiss/adjust the music to sell his death as more of a premeditated heroic sacrifice. As-is, it felt to me like it was deliberately edited to be comically sudden and unexpected, like Meet the Spy or something.

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sade1212 said:

Yeah, I wish Ben had survived the movie, but if there’s ever actually good canon material set after TROS, then I think the only real option which would maintain continuity would be to stick his ghost in and cut the kiss/adjust the music to sell his death as more of a premeditated heroic sacrifice. As-is, it felt to me like it was deliberately edited to be comically sudden and unexpected, like Meet the Spy or something.

There may be a way to make it a symmetry with Anakin’s force birth and have Rey be pregnant with Kylo’s kid through their dyad. He does touch her abdomen briefly before dying.

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Personally I found it obvious that saving Rey would make him die, and the kiss didn’t change my mind (though it is possible they were aiming for a “will he?” sort of suspense there). At least when it comes to my edit I’d like to have two versions, depending on which the viewer wants - one where he dies and we see him later as a ghost, and another where we don’t see what happens to him after the kiss, and the suspense remains until he shows up at the homestead, alive. I think merely cutting his death and never showing him again would just make it seem like something was obviously missing.

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Yeah. I really do love the friends on the Falcon and the Falcon flying away into the sunset ideas, but I also think there would be a lot of people, even beyond this site, that would appreciate a Ben Lives version of the movie.

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Probably a broken record by now but, we need to reshoot that scene with Rey and Kylo silhouettes. We do have a professional director on the thread so… 😏👀😫🙏

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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I actually don’t think reshooting is necessary.

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I think that if we’re to go full on Reylo, I don’t think a brief throw away shot of him standing will cut it.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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Personally I want a Ben lives version and I really like DominicCobb’s idea about how that would work.

I would still want the alternate “Rey Skywalker” audio with this version, and the Falcon going into hyperspace.

Also, in addition to Jonh’s amazing “I am all the Jedi” upgrade, was something decided on for the scene where she communes with the Jedi? We still just going to hear them?

My Edits:
Revenge of the Sith: Refocused Available

The Clone Wars Refocused: The Chosen One (Mortis Episode)

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I think it should be kept. It’s a nice scene that helps lead into the ghosts appearing after.

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Hey I just want to say thank you all for the feedback and enthusiasm for the falcon shots!!! Going through it all, I have ideas how to tweak the two current options, and I might play with a third option trying to recreate snooker’s first pass. That way, we’ll have several good options for people to choose from. Who knows, a part of me wants to play with the falcon just going wild with barrel rolls and flips as a joke (although these sorts of things tend to turn into actual shots once you go down that road)!

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My dream for the end of this movie would be to include a brown robed Ben Solo walking off of the falcon and out away from the Lars homestead, seeking isolation. Shortly after, when Rey looks off and sees the ghost twins, you first see Ben Solo walking away in the distance before they fade in before her. Obviously that would also mean cutting his death from earlier on.

Oh, and following it up with the shot of the falcon jumping to hyperspace. The work on that is excellent!

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Humby said:

My dream for the end of this movie would be to include a brown robed Ben Solo walking off of the falcon and out away from the Lars homestead, seeking isolation.

I love the Ben in Exile idea that has cropped up.

And yes Hal, I’m actually very excited to watch this version of the movie.

My Edits:
Revenge of the Sith: Refocused Available

The Clone Wars Refocused: The Chosen One (Mortis Episode)

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Humby said:

My dream for the end of this movie would be to include a brown robed Ben Solo walking off of the falcon and out away from the Lars homestead, seeking isolation. Shortly after, when Rey looks off and sees the ghost twins, you first see Ben Solo walking away in the distance before they fade in before her. Obviously that would also mean cutting his death from earlier on.

I genuinely thought they were going to end this way, especially as Driver said he didn’t want Ben’s story to end like Vader’s.

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Until after Luke cremated him.

heil Palpatine!

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As hard as the task may be, if there was a version where Ben lives, why would he go into exile? To fully resent the Dark Side within him, or that he feels he cannot be a part of the Resistance because of his past actions as Kylo Ren?

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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He’d go into Exile because he’s turned from his dark path, and survived, yet he knows the galaxy can’t forgive him for the terrible things he’s done. And what better place for the exile of a penitent man than the planet where his grandfather was enslaved? And what better place for a Ben to go into exile than a Tattooine, like the man he’s named after?

The Clone Wars: Refocused | Andor: Movie Omnibus

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Definitely beyond the scope of a fan edit, but I really think the idea of forgiveness should’ve really been explored in this last film. I see so many people online say Kylo could never be forgiven for the things he’s done, but I think the idea of someone being beyond forgiveness or redemption is very against what Star Wars is about. It’s obviously idealistic, but hope, which is a central theme of Star Wars, is equally idealistic.

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That’s fair, actually. Vader was responsible for masses of death and suffering, and he got to turn into a Jedi ghost at the end, so there’s no reason Kylo shouldn’t be considered ‘fully redeemed’. Still, I don’t think exile takes away from that.

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Vader was only really redeemed in the eyes of Luke, and apparently the Force. I imagine he’d have had a very awkward time trying to ghostsplain to Leia why he made her watch as Tarkin obliterated her entire home planet and everyone she’d ever loved. Or maybe after the Endor Celebration, Anakin never manifested again - from then on he just ghosted his kids 😉

Edit: I wonder if this will be tackled at all by the rumoured post-Rebels Filoni animated show. It’s Filoni, so obviously Ahsoka will be in it, and it doesn’t seem unreasonable that she’d interact with redeemed ghost-Anakin. (Despite not technically being a Jedi, she is a powerful force user, and we hear her voice in TROS so clearly she goes on to learn something about manifesting after death, the Netherworld and all that.) It’d be extremely hard to write though, which is why I don’t think it’s ever been covered significantly in any other Star Wars media.