logo Sign In

The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 68

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Agreed. Maybe you could at the very least change the engine glow color of Ochi’s ship. And sure, you could change the ship to a different model in TFA, that also might allow you to make a “destroyed by lightning” shot more easily. But it would be nice to find a solution that didn’t require you to change TFA, because people might just want to watch Ascendant, or pair it with different fan edits.

Author
Time

poppasketti said:

Haha, Hal! Hadn’t thought of that about jumping to hyperspace in atmosphere. I don’t remember where you stood on the lightspeed skipping scene (probably heavily trimming?) but didn’t they jump in and out of a few atmospheres in that scene?

(Although I guess that was an emergency… and damaged the ship)

Just remove the whole chase section. Characters can talk about it during that argument segment, but take out the whole thing after the ties “follow.” That way it leaves it up to the imagination on what that all meant since the execution was so … bad. So, so bad.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

Author
Time

Hal 9000 said:

Having Rey kill her parents would fill the dramatic void left by her evil heritage, shown through visions and maybe even Rey saying to Finn “I killed my mother… and my father.”

“I killed my mother… and my father” That’s how it is in the released TROS: Resurgence Workprint. There is dialogue of Rey whispering the word “I” in TLJ so it can be blended perfectly. See rough clips:

Hangar confrontation, “You wanted your parents dead…”
https://youtu.be/tA2L3QHZTCw

With Finn, “I killed my mother…”
https://youtu.be/oxi7afxLBu8

heil Palpatine!

Author
Time

The change to “he” to “I” is seamless, well done. Not a critique of your version, but I would like to see a version of that scene without her saying she’ll find and destroy Palpatine, since I think it would work better if Finn’s reply was solely a response to the fact that she killed her parents.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

RogueLeader said:

but I would like to see a version of that scene without her saying she’ll find and destroy Palpatine, since I think it would work better if Finn’s reply was solely a response to the fact that she killed her parents.

Lol I was just typing that.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

Author
Time

RogueLeader said:

The change to “he” to “I” is seamless, well done. Not a critique of your version, but I would like to see a version of that scene without her saying she’ll find and destroy Palpatine, since I think it would work better if Finn’s reply was solely a response to the fact that she killed her parents.

Good idea

heil Palpatine!

Author
Time

Yeah, I know the Falcon thing is an unimportant complaint. I do NOT want it changed to not go into hyperspace. Just thought I’d mention it. I STILL LIKE IT AND WANT TO USE IT OKAY GOOD OKAY

I don’t have any bright ideas, but ideally a way to handle the fleet would emerge, but I don’t see anything since they’re still gonna have those enormous guns mounted to them.

My stance on revising fan edits.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

idir_hh said:

Yeah but to the average viewer, they look identical from the back.

I recolored the ship in the flashback. But if someone else makes a new vfx shot of a ship leaving, great!

EDIT: These comments are for a Rey killed her parents edit.

heil Palpatine!

Author
Time

I think the Rey killing her parents angle is good if you wanted to cut less in general, but I wonder if you could make the reveal focused on a vision of the future, rather than a glimpse of the past.

Maybe Rey and Kylo have a shared vision early on that is just in fragments. Kylo starts goading her into seeing the rest of the vision, and the big hangar reveal is Kylo outright stating what the vision was.

The Resistance will fail, and Rey joins Palpatine. Maybe they even see Rey will be the one to kill her friends (with Force lightning). That probably would be “shocking” to her. But Kylo Ren presents her an alternative: join me and we can keep that from happening. We can save your friends.

I think this would also work well as motivation for Rey to want to kill Palpatine, a reason for her to possibly join Kylo, and a reason why she sees self-exile as a better alternative than facing Palpatine. Plus, it keeps Rey’s focus on her newfound family, which is at the heart of the story, rather than digging up her past again.

Don’t get me wrong, I like the Rey killing her parents angle too. It actually makes me think of the DotF script, which had Kylo be the one to kill her parents, but I could totally imagine how easy that change could’ve been made to have Rey be the one to do it.

Even with the killing parents change we’d still have to cut a lot of the parent stuff out. This idea would just go slightly further and not dwell on Rey’s past at all. I think the idea of Rey being haunted by her potential futures ties in well with Rey trying to forge her own identity after the reveal in TLJ. Because, if you think about it, if Rey killed her parents, Kylo should’ve really revealed it in TLJ. God, imagine Rey’s reaction then. She probably would’ve joined him. So another parental reveal just feels sort of redundant. At this point I think it could be better to focus on her future, rather than her past.

Author
Time

Rogueleader, I like the direction of your ideas. e.g., “The Resistance will fail, and Rey joins Palpatine. Maybe they even see Rey will be the one to kill her friends (with Force lightning).” But this seems something that would have to be decided in the production phase. There’s just not any structure or material to make this happen, I think. Also, I do think ihir_hh’s idea of Rey killing her parents is brilliant, that she crashed their ship. It continues and elaborates on the already established themes and leads us to an unexpected worst case scenario: Rey killed her own parents and then blocked it out and waited her whole life for them to return. Tragic and good storytelling.

heil Palpatine!

Author
Time

My problem with Rey killing her parents is it goes against the idea that she could ever convince herself they’re coming back.

Author
Time
 (Edited)
  1. I’d totally be down to work on a group commentary lol
  2. I noticed the whole “Falcon In-Atmosphere” thing when I was working on my version of the shot. I thought that it was justifiable breaking the rules for a better shot. Also, because it is (apparently) the end of these character’s story’s, they might just die right after jumping lmao.
  3. OH MY GOD LUKE’S HAIR
Author
Time

Anakin Starkiller said:

My problem with Rey killing her parents is it goes against the idea that she could ever convince herself they’re coming back.

Not really. It’s pretty obvious Rey has repressed childhood memories.

heil Palpatine!

Author
Time

I actually think the dark vision idea would just require some dialogue changes from Kylo and some clever quick shots in the vision.

Author
Time

RogueLeader said:

I actually think the dark vision idea would just require some dialogue changes from Kylo and some clever quick shots in the vision.

I don’t think it’s that easy. You would need to somehow create a whole scene of Rey killing her friends, along with Kylo dialogue to back it up. I don’t think that’s really feasible with what we have.

My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX

Author
Time

Also, I’m totally prepared to just invest myself into this project if need be. I’ll try out ideas people suggest. I’m very suddenly hyped for star wars again?

Author
Time

The more think about it, the more Rey killing her parents makes sense. I guess I’ll go with it.

Author
Time

I don’t think you need a whole scene, just enough shots for a disjointed vision. Rey on the throne, lightning shooting up from the sky toward the fleet, a shot of Poe in his cockpit, then Snap’s X-wing crashing, an implied death for Finn, etc.

I’ll try to play around with the idea and see how doable it is.

Author
Time

Rey killing her parents feels unearned and retcon-y to me? I can see the argument for it though…

Author
Time

I think we need to clearly establish healing fatal wounds as something only a dyad can do to each other. That will stop the audience from asking why no ever used that power whenever someone died. It’s only possible in those rare circumstances.

Force healing as a whole, though, gels quite well with the rest of the Saga. Perhaps Sidious healed Vader after finding him on Mustafarian shores. It even solves two plot holes with one stone in ANH, one of which I didn’t even realize was there. Why didn’t the Tusken Raiders kill Luke? Why did Obi-Wan sacrifice himself? Well the Tuskens did kill him, and Obi-Wan brought him back to life by sacrificing himself, though through his training he was able to maintain his physical form long enough to face Vader. But I’m getting off-topic here.

Author
Time

I think Rey killing her parents is still better than Rey Palpatine, but if I could make a version without some new revelation about her past, I would prefer it.

Author
Time

RogueLeader said:

If Rey killed her parents, Kylo should’ve really revealed it in TLJ. God, imagine Rey’s reaction then. She probably would’ve joined him. So another parental reveal just feels sort of redundant. At this point I think it could be better to focus on her future, rather than her past.

I think the idea is that Palpatine revealed to Kylo Rey’s dark nature, her place in the Sith Dyad and her unfortunate past.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…