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Alright I sent jackpumpkinhead a PM for a link to a copy of his template.

heil Palpatine!

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Here’s a question (from the color blind guy)

As for Palps getting electrocuted (again) but this time explodes … I was thinking, what if the lighting going BACK to him is a different color, maybe purple? White?

Why?

Though it is still kinda lame, in a sense, that Palps AGAIN gets defeated by his own lighting. But what if it was more “special” … or maybe Jedi-powered. Using Jonh’s force ghosts being introduced, the view COULD assume it was being returned with more of a Jedi Ghost finisher. I don’t know if that sounds lame or anything … but it would be neat to try and add some more depth to this final battle then Palps getting zapped by his own lighting. Again.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Here’s my crawl for TROS: Resurgence. Any constructive criticism is welcome.

All who dared to speak the name Luke Skywalker are now silent, slaughtered by the merciless KNIGHTS OF REN. Yet whispers of the Jedi Master still echo across the galaxy.

Supreme Leader Kylo Ren rages in torment. Only by destroying Han Solo’s home world, CORELLIA, can he purge the haunting memories of his father.

Meanwhile, General Leia Organa senses a sinister presence lurking beyond the OUTER RIM. Rey must reach out into the darkness with the Force to uncover this threat…

heil Palpatine!

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jarbear said:

Here’s a question (from the color blind guy)

As for Palps getting electrocuted (again) but this time explodes … I was thinking, what if the lighting going BACK to him is a different color, maybe purple? White?

Why?

Though it is still kinda lame, in a sense, that Palps AGAIN gets defeated by his own lighting. But what if it was more “special” … or maybe Jedi-powered. Using Jonh’s force ghosts being introduced, the view COULD assume it was being returned with more of a Jedi Ghost finisher. I don’t know if that sounds lame or anything … but it would be neat to try and add some more depth to this final battle then Palps getting zapped by his own lighting. Again.

I like it. Or the room could go dark and then reveal he was nonexistent the whole time!

Well… no.

Oh, what about slightly yellow? If Rey’s lightning that kills Chewbacca were yellowish, then the Palpy killing lightning is yellowish, her yellow saber would signify an integration of her inner darkness while distancing herself from what was written as a link to Palpatine.

(And we still need that slight crackle between his fingertips in the opening sequence removed. Not because it’s technically a problem, but I can’t help but feel it’s there to link hand lightning with Palpatine’s subtly before we see Rey use it later.)

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People have already suggested this, but after seeing Jonh’s Force ghost tests so far, I definitely think it would be cool to see the ghosts help Rey further. What I’m thinking, is after Rey starts deflecting with both sabers, we start seeing a Force ghost aura around her. And the first time she pushes forward, we get a very quick glimpse of Luke’s face over hers. The second push, we briefly see Leia’s face. The third push, Anakin’s (it could even be quick flashes of multiple Jedi). And in the shot of Rey pushing the final blast of lightning back at Palpatine, we could see that blue aura around Rey fly away from her, through the lightsabers and lightning, and into Palpatine. This is when Palpatine explodes. Basically, the Force ghosts of the Jedi use their energy to purge the spirit of the last Sith, once and for all.

This way, Palpatine doesn’t die just because Rey deflected lightning in his face, but because of something more metaphysical, that feels like a culmination to this battle between the Jedi and the Sith. Palpatine has been a vessel for all the Sith, and for this brief moment, Rey becomes an avatar for all the Jedi.

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Hal 9000 said:

jarbear said:

Here’s a question (from the color blind guy)

As for Palps getting electrocuted (again) but this time explodes … I was thinking, what if the lighting going BACK to him is a different color, maybe purple? White?

Why?

Though it is still kinda lame, in a sense, that Palps AGAIN gets defeated by his own lighting. But what if it was more “special” … or maybe Jedi-powered. Using Jonh’s force ghosts being introduced, the view COULD assume it was being returned with more of a Jedi Ghost finisher. I don’t know if that sounds lame or anything … but it would be neat to try and add some more depth to this final battle then Palps getting zapped by his own lighting. Again.

I like it. Or the room could go dark and then reveal he was nonexistent the whole time!

Well… no.

Well, yes, actually. This is actually a really interesting idea!

Consider: We have via TLJ the fact that one can project an image with their mind, and the idea of the person as symbol which is more powerful than the person themselves. It follows rather naturally that a Sith cult with moderate ability would create an image of Palpatine to exist in opposition to the image of Luke, using some sort of focal point. Say the crane supporting Palpatine actually supports some blue crystal or something, a Sith artifact which looks a bit like the wayfinders and focuses the limited Force ability of each of the cultists into something stronger.

So what would the plan of such a cult be, exactly? Using the events of TROS, this plan could be to bring together the dyad of Rey and Kylo in order to turn them to the Dark Side or drain their power and destroy them.

How would this be implemented? There would need to be relatively few changes for such a large overall change, but in Kylo’s first visit to Palpatine he might see flashes of the crystal instead of Palpatine’s body, just single frames where the illusion starts to break down. Then there might be a few shots of the Cultists interacting in the final battle, such as the power of the dyad draining into the crystal and perhaps dispersing into the cultists. When ‘Palpatine’ shoots his lighting into the sky, there would be a shot where the crystal is absorbing the lighting of the Cultists, which might only be faint blue traces of light moving towards the center of the room.

Finally, when Rey is about to lose to the lightning barrage, her eyes are opened to the fact that it’s just a crystal and not Palpatine at all. She then redirects the lightning back using the Force for knowledge and defense. Perhaps the blue crystal is positioned slightly above Palpatine’s form so that if Rey were to ‘kill’ him as he wished it wouldn’t endanger the crystal.

The best part of this idea is that the Rey Palpatine angle actually works as a part of the illusion.

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Wow, hmm. That’d have been a great idea in the writing phase, while keeping most else about the movie as is.

And, RogueLeader, yes! That sounds very plausible to accomplish (easy for me to say), and fills in a much needed gap. In the theater I quipped to my brother that Mace Windu should have grabbed a second lightsaber and ended it right then. As if that was the mistake.

Letting the Skywalkers band together to do Palpatine in would feel better and tie into the ending and title. If Rey is basically on a journey to wrap up the Skywalker story rather than really further her own, as seems inescapable, this at least makes something of this scene.

Man, give Daisey a post-TROS Disney+ series. Continue the story, because the sequel trilogy now feels like it was all setting something up, not concluding what came before. If they’re deliberate about moving beyond the Skywalker stuff, let Rey’s story keep going. And we could probably craft a fake Episodes X, XI, and XII out of it.

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I wouldn’t put anything past this community in terms of realizing a crazy idea like this!

JEDIT: The super special awesome version of this idea is that the Sith fleet is part of the illusion as well, and it’s all a ploy to use the power of the dyad to destroy the Resistance.

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Hal 9000 said:

And, RogueLeader, yes! That sounds very plausible to accomplish (easy for me to say), and fills in a much needed gap. In the theater I quipped to my brother that Mace Windu should have grabbed a second lightsaber and ended it right then. As if that was the mistake.

Yeah, it seems that is what many people said after the movie. Destroying Palpatine should involve more than shooting lightning back at his face. We saw him explode in ROTJ, so something else needs to happen when he explodes this time that makes us think that he won’t come back again. Like some “divine intervention”.

I think the Force ghosts briefly possessing or energizing Rey is a clever way to parallel Palpatine being this Sith collective-consciousness. Plus, tons of the dialogue hints towards this kind of climax. “Be with me”, “A thousand generations live in you now”, “And I… I am all the Jedi.” I think this kind of climax would actually make this final line better, too. And this way, Anakin can participate in destroying Palpatine, which could alleviate any issues people had with his status as Chosen One being potentially contradicted. So, all of this Force ghost stuff we have seen throughout the films, that all started with Qui-Gon’s death in Episode I, all had a purpose that lead up to this moment.

As far as practicality goes, I think a lot of techniques Jonh has used could be used for the brief glimpses of faces we get. I guess beyond that, we could create a mask around Rey that can be used to make a Force ghost glow around her, and then see that energy fly from Rey and consume Palpatine.

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RE Anakin:

Using Christensen in TROS might actually convince me to accept Christensen in ROTJ. Though I’d rather see a fanmade ROTJ Christensen ghost that improves on the hack job from 2004.

Also, I…really don’t like aged Hayden in any capacity.

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krausfadr said:

Here’s my crawl for TROS: Resurgence. Any constructive criticism is welcome.

All who dared to speak the name Luke Skywalker are now silent, slaughtered by the merciless KNIGHTS OF REN. Yet whispers of the Jedi Master still echo across the galaxy.

Supreme Leader Kylo Ren rages in torment. Only by destroying Han Solo’s home world, CORELLIA, can he purge the haunting memories of his father.

Meanwhile, General Leia Organa senses a sinister presence lurking beyond the OUTER RIM. Rey must reach out into the darkness with the Force to uncover this threat…

Very unique approach, I like it.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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ChainsawAsh said:

RE Anakin:

Using Christensen in TROS might actually convince me to accept Christensen in ROTJ. Though I’d rather see a fanmade ROTJ Christensen ghost that improves on the hack job from 2004.

Also, I…really don’t like aged Hayden in any capacity.

While I liked aged Hayden (as an option), I do agree with the overall sentiment. A more convincing ROTJ Hayden with a happier expression on his face would be get me to enjoy it.

However, I don’t find Shaw to be a “masturbatory fan fantasy,” (anymore than the rest of TROS, anyway). It’s very much a fan desire to see something that fits with the OOT more than the SE. Heck, it’d probably win over a bunch of people.

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As much as I would like a Shaw ghost, the sad fact is that I think it would confuse a bunch of people under 30 who grew up on the DVDs and Blu-Rays (I say that as one of those people). I think it would honestly be best to try to find a recent film with Hayden and use the head from that to make it look as if it was a cameo shot just for this movie. Maybe something from this movie? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCrPUy0IQak

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NFBisms, does your extensive knowledge of Hayden’s filmography extend to knowing of any better shots of him standing fairly still and smiling?

Also, while we’re on the subject: why did they just reuse Shaw’s body for the Hayden ghost? Anakin in the prequels has - like most of the Jedi to some degree - a unique outfit underneath his robe. Obviously that hadn’t been designed when they shot ROTJ so they just gave Ghost Anakin the same outfit as Obi-Wan, but if they were so intent to change the ghost for the DVDs they could’ve actually done the full job.

Edit: My bad, I thought I was in OT radical redux.

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I for one would love to see Hayden’s ghost with his ROTS outfit + robe in both ROTJ and TROS, especially if we can get a less creepy take of him for ROTJ.

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ChainsawAsh said:

I for one would love to see Hayden’s ghost with his ROTS outfit + robe in both ROTJ and TROS, especially if we can get a less creepy take of him for ROTJ.

Agreed! Maybe a Frankenhayden could work here so that he both looks at Obi-Wan and gives a friendly face. It needs to look natural, not like a glaringly obvious addition.

I’m not opposed to lightening the color of his outfit a little, as the series really does play up the whole “light colors good, dark colors conflicted” angle (i.e., Luke’s dark costume comes partially undone, revealing white underneath).

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Yeah. Changing Ghost Hayden to his ROTS self would make it a lot more palatable in the first place.

For Episode IX, I believe a subtly aged Hayden is the best approach. The close-up of each Force spirits lasts a couple of seconds, at least in Jonh’s edits. If it’s not instantly recognizable for most it will cause more confusion than wonder from the audience (like a full-on Shaw approach might do). Or maybe try alternative versions of this particular scene, one with aged Hayden and one with Shaw, and have them co-exist, leaving the viewer to choose which one to download.

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Wowee, that’s good! Not done yet, but what an idea.

Showing all four again might work, but I know the rumors had Luke and Leia appearing in that moment in particular, empowering their respective sabers, in a way. Might that be good to test out too?

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Just to add another opinion to the mix, I’m an advocate for doing a Shaw/Christensen hybrid, or an aged Christensen who’s the same age as Shaw. That way we still get Christensen, but don’t aggressively contradict the general opinion that Shaw is the proper force ghost of Anakin in ROTJ. Seems like a reasonable compromise.

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This is really nice work, and I know it’s what a lot of people were looking for. Personally I’d love to see a much more subtle version. Nondescript blue figures behind Rey that you only see when the lightning flashes. And then the Force shield when she deflects the lightning, and subtle flashes of the faces of Jedi appear over the shield, ala the early ROTJ draft.