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I think I have to agree that showing an amalgamation would only be confusing if we have never seen him that way.

I think if you were to age Hayden up, I would only age him up to his current age in real life. As if they had filmed new footage with 2019 Hayden Christensen.

Otherwise, I would just straight up use Shaw. But, when we actually hear the Force ghosts, we hear a young Hayden, not an old Shaw. (Then again, we do hear both a young and old Obi-Wan.)

Alternatively, if you tried to depict a Hayden-Shaw amalgamation, or a very old Hayden, I think it would work better to change Shaw’s appearance in ROTJ to establish that look and for it to be not be confusing.

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RogueLeader said:

I think I have to agree that showing an amalgamation would only be confusing if we have never seen him that way.

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Alternatively, if you tried to depict a Hayden-Shaw amalgamation, or a very old Hayden, I think it would work better to change Shaw’s appearance in ROTJ to establish that look and for it to be not be confusing.

It might be difficult to craft the right amalgamation, but I think there is probably a perfect middle ground between an aged up Hayden (similar to Sade’s example) and whatever sources we can find for an age appropriate Shaw. I don’t think it would be confusing as long as it looks sufficiently similar to Hayden for the audience, and sufficiently similar to unmasked Shaw to provide visual consistency from Luke’s perspective.

I think I’m going to try and start looking for some high quality Sebastian Shaw sources to pull from and see if I can mock something up myself. Man do I love this forum.

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RogueLeader said:

I think I have to agree that showing an amalgamation would only be confusing if we have never seen him that way.

I think if you were to age Hayden up, I would only age him up to his current age in real life. As if they had filmed new footage with 2019 Hayden Christensen.

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Whoa, that is pretty cool jonh!

Hal, I just typed it “anakin aged” with a space in between and it worked for me.

Hayden’s chin/jaw area seems to get bigger between the two versions, but that might have more to do with the two different angles of the image. I don’t think that’s bad, though. It’s more noticeable when you compare the two versions, but I don’t think you would notice it as much by itself.

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Unnecessary sidenote: I think it’s funny that you’re using that image as an age-up Anakin since that movie in particular Hayden is promoting in the picture (Little Italy), wants you to believe Hayden is in his mid 20’s lol

this has been another nfbisms-has-seen-every-hayden-movie flex

He looks alright for near-40’s, but how about instead of transposing his late 30’s face onto 23 year old Hayden, why not just use his entire head with a different haircut? And like, the classic white robes? There’s something about his entire Revenge of the Sith look overall that doesn’t feel very ethereal and light side-y. That includes the mullet. Idk why.

I’ve always wanted to change that about ROTJ SE too.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

But don’t you think it’s strange to show a version of Anakin that we’ve never seen?

Tell that to the majority on this forum who for some reason insist on using Shaw.

Well, he actually looks like he’s supposed to be there and has a friendlier expression on his face. Also, it’s a de-facto ROTJ change to bring back Shaw’s ghost, because most of us prefer the OOT.

I like the aged-up Hayden with his ROTS hair (albeit grayed a little). It might help him fit in with his son a bit more. Provided that a similar injection of Hayden stock footage appears in ROTJ (like the previous example and what RougeLeader said), it would work.

However, I’m totally open to having young Anakin (but with the light-colored robes in his closeup) or Shaw (done in the style of Obi-Wan, a photo atop body stock footage). Young Anakin works contextually as well, as he’s appearing in front of Palpatine as the man who he manipulated into evil - he’s young again while Palpatine looks older than ever! Old Anakin worked in the context of the ROTJ ending, as he’s appearing to Luke/Leia as an uninjured version of his masked form. My headcanon is that ghost Anakin can change his appearance depending on the context.

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FaceApp unfortunately only has an ‘Old’ filter, no middle-aged filter, so my crude ageing technique can only do old old. I can approximate a sort-of middle-aged look by blending the old face on top of the young face at a reduced opacity, however.. It doesn’t really resemble Hayden’s actual ageing, though.

Morphing Hayden with Shaw is beyond my capabilities. FaceApp does have a ‘morphing’ feature but it’s fairly terrible and the result winds up resembling neither, nor having the correct facial expression. Perhaps with real dedication I could scrape together enough footage of Shaw to try to do some kind of DeepFake, but given I can only find about six different colour photos of him on Google Images, I doubt I’d have much luck (and besides, I still haven’t finished training my Fake Wedge DeepFake model…).

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Anakin Starkiller said:
Tell that to the majority on this forum who for some reason insist on using Shaw.

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Seriously though, your arguement is so bizarre, someone said that we shouldn’t use Hayden because he’s not even an actor in the film and he has never been seen before by Luke, but then you say that it’s the same thing with Shaw??? What?! Are you aware that Sebastien Shaw PLAYED VADER WITH HIS MASK OFF IN THE PREVIOUS SCENE!

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Tell that to the majority on this forum who for some reason insist on using Shaw.

Yeah it’s weird. Using Shaw or even weirder, a hybrid Christensen-Shaw is masturbatory fanboy fantasy that the average fan would be completely lost watching. As mediocre as the prequel trilogy was, if you want to include an Anakin force ghost it’s got to be Hayden. I want my edit to be for mainstream audiences, not people who took a Star Wars class in college (which I actually did).

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RogueLeader said:

The shitty thing is that no matter what we can change or alter with this film, there’s no way we can really give Rose more of a presence, without any deleted scenes. Rose goes from a prominent character with her own theme in the last film, to a background extra in the last film.

But… this conversation did give me an idea for one small change. For awhile I’ve had this idea of altering the scene between Finn and Jannah, and replace a part of Finn’s schpiel about the Force to something about joining the fight. Basically, we want to get the idea across that Finn is recruiting Jannah to join the cause by sharing how he had his own change of heart in the last two films. It would be nice if we could rescore the last half of that scene, and replace the overused Force motif with Rose’s theme, instead. So the conversation would go something like:

Finn: The Force. The Force brought me here. Brought me to Rey and Poe. We need to stop the First Order. I wasn’t sure then, but I am now.

Maybe you could change it some more, but if you can change the context of the scene to make it seem like Finn is convincing Jannah to stop hiding on Endor and join the fight, with Rose’s theme playing over it, we can feel Rose’s presence and impact on the story more, even if she doesn’t have much screen time herself.

Here is that scene for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jRscLcf3bA

Is there dialogue already of Finn saying “We need to stop the First Order” that you have in mind?

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Hal, Dom, everyone… I’m about to release a workprint of my edit, TROS: Resurgence. But I need help with generating the opening crawl. Is there some kind soul on the forum who already has something like an After Effects template loaded and could render it?

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Hal 9000 said:

RogueLeader said:

The shitty thing is that no matter what we can change or alter with this film, there’s no way we can really give Rose more of a presence, without any deleted scenes. Rose goes from a prominent character with her own theme in the last film, to a background extra in the last film.

But… this conversation did give me an idea for one small change. For awhile I’ve had this idea of altering the scene between Finn and Jannah, and replace a part of Finn’s schpiel about the Force to something about joining the fight. Basically, we want to get the idea across that Finn is recruiting Jannah to join the cause by sharing how he had his own change of heart in the last two films. It would be nice if we could rescore the last half of that scene, and replace the overused Force motif with Rose’s theme, instead. So the conversation would go something like:

Finn: The Force. The Force brought me here. Brought me to Rey and Poe. We need to stop the First Order. I wasn’t sure then, but I am now.

Maybe you could change it some more, but if you can change the context of the scene to make it seem like Finn is convincing Jannah to stop hiding on Endor and join the fight, with Rose’s theme playing over it, we can feel Rose’s presence and impact on the story more, even if she doesn’t have much screen time herself.

Here is that scene for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jRscLcf3bA

Is there dialogue already of Finn saying “We need to stop the First Order” that you have in mind?

No, not exactly. I know he says, “We need to fight” in TLJ, but it might not be clean audio, since I think Poe begins to interrupt him. I’ll have to go back through and see what else there is to work with. Does anyone else have ideas for this?

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krausfadr said:

Hal, Dom, everyone… I’m about to release a workprint of my edit, TROS: Resurgence. But I need help with generating the opening crawl. Is there some kind soul on the forum who already has something like an After Effects template loaded and could render it?

Sir Ridley did the ultimate crawls for my prequels and TFA. And they’re perfect in every way.

For a not-perfect-but-still-great approach, smudger9 released a template project for FCPX.

And Jackpumpkinhead did a blender template.
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Custom-Crawl-Creator-Revisited-v20-RELEASED/id/51773/page/1

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Tell that to the majority on this forum who for some reason insist on using Shaw.

Yeah it’s weird. Using Shaw or even weirder, a hybrid Christensen-Shaw is masturbatory fanboy fantasy that the average fan would be completely lost watching. As mediocre as the prequel trilogy was, if you want to include an Anakin force ghost it’s got to be Hayden. I want my edit to be for mainstream audiences, not people who took a Star Wars class in college (which I actually did).

Huh? Anyone over thirty probably remembers Shaw as Force Ghost Anakin, and there’s also the fact that Shaw is still Anakin in ROTJ’s unmasking scene so no fan of the series should have a hard time figuring it out anyway.

I’m not a fan of any Force Ghost appearing to someone that they didn’t know in life, but to suggest that an image of Anakin as he looked at his death (as all Force Ghosts appear) is a ‘masturbatory fanboy fantasy’ is a bit much.

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jonh said:

4rth version???
https://vimeo.com/411853732
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small head and slight smile

Sorry, been away for a bit and realize I need to follow this better since your work Jonh is fantastic. It’s between 3 and 4 to me. I do like the smirk since it fits his personality. Thinking of him against Grevious in ROTS and letting himself be sacrificed against Vader in ANH.

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Well I’m a bit over 30, and I hated when they retconned ROTJ with force ghost Hayden. Nevertheless this new trilogy is almost a reboot and many of its viewers and true fans (in their minds) have never seen the OT. So like the wise Supreme Leader says, let the past die.

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