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I’ve been thinking about how much force sensitivity Leia demonstrates across the Sequel trilogy all day, to try and get a hold on whether the removal of Leia Poppins does present a thematic character inconsistency as we head into TROS.

I don’t think it does. At all.

As others have mentioned, Leia’s force sensitivity/skill has ONLY ever been implied since the reveal in ROTJ. And all that we’ve ever SEEN is that Leia is adept at being tuned in to the fates and feelings of her loved ones.

In ROTJ she recalls her mothers sadness, intuitively understands her family connection to Luke and senses/feels that Luke is safe and survived the explosion of the Death Star at the end.

In TFA she feels the death of Han.

In TLJ she senses Ben’s presence and turmoil in his fighter as he debates pulling the trigger on her. She also senses the death of Luke.

In TROS she senses the danger that both Ben and Rey are placing themselves in as they fight…and she chooses to intervene by reaching out to Ben.

This is the one instance where we see her pro-actively use her power to be more than just a passive observer, and under the circumstances, considering the stakes for both of her ‘children’ in that moment, it’s appropriate and relatable.

Leia’s force powers primarily seem to revolve around her intuition(?) and to that end it’s completely consistent in how it’s demonstrated across all 4 movies where force sensitivity has been an attributed to her character.

Infact, if you really think about it, you could argue that ‘Leia Poppins’ is the one instance where her use of the force completely deviates from all that came before and all that comes after, so maybe it’s removal is even more justified in order to maintain consistency.

It also means that her ONE defining force moment is now saved until TROS - the finale and it’s the moment that she reaches out to Ben in order to save Rey, and in so doing she gives her life.

Whether or not the importance/meaning of that moment stuck the landing when it came to it’s execution is another question entirely, but thematically the idea is quite powerful, so now that I’ve given it some actual thought, I’m even more convinced now that the removal of Leia Poppins is the right call. Not only within the context of TLJ, but TROS too.

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Hal 9000 said:

They’re almost hybrid versions of each other already! But I’m glad you’re able to do that, and that you won’t have to start from scratch.

Hahaha, fair enough! Essentially I might just add Space Leia to Poppa’s. Maybe your Poe/Hux intro dialogue since I like the way it plays out better! Who knows what else - I’ll have to compare the change lists again. Absolutely non-essential changes but at this point, why not make it perfect for me?

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Exactly exactly!

And smpearce1981, that was perfectly said and from a different angle than I had considered before!

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Hal 9000 said:

Would your software allow you to export a LUT of your overall color correction to the movie?

Just sent them to you!

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EddieDean said:

smpearce, I’m convinced too. Well argued.

Hey Eddie,

Well, it was certainly a worthy question to bring to the table and I can totally see where you were coming from in trying to determine if ‘more’ was needed.

But after going down the rabbit hole with it on the backs of both Poppa and ChainsawAsh’s comments, I just landed on the hidden beauty that presents itself as a result of removing ‘Leia Poppins’

Like Poppa, I was pretty indifferent to the original sequence and I just preferred it’s ommission as it just helped keep things less outlandish…but it seems there’s actually scope to interpret many more layers from it and I think that now we’ve found that extra subtext it’s quite rewarding?

I don’t know if anyone saw TiMartyn’s spin on this scene?

He kept the majority of it intact, but reworked it to feature Luke.

In his version, Rey’s arrival prompts Luke to reconnect to the force and check in on Leia just as the attack occurs. Luke then uses his powers to recover her back to the safety of the ship.

It was an interesting take on the scene, as it really sets up how powerful Luke has become a lot earlier in the movie.

It was a really solid idea and executed pretty well but something ultimately felt slightly off about it, whereas Poppa’s approach just keeps it clean and concise so that the movie is allowed to move on without drawing attention to itself by arguably jumping the shark

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Agreed, very well argued, but:

All y’all are forgetting her sensing Luke calling to her at the end of ESB… smh

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ChainsawAsh said:

Agreed, very well argued, but:

All y’all are forgetting her sensing Luke calling to her at the end of ESB… smh

D’oh!

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Like I said, it’s been a thing since 1980!

Basically, unless you’re insane you actually like the scene, there’s no reason to keep Leia Poppins IMO.

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ChainsawAsh said:

Agreed, very well argued, but:

All y’all are forgetting her sensing Luke calling to her at the end of ESB… smh

Oooh good catch!!

However, despite this being a legit instance that went overlooked, it’s still on point/theme, right?

As in, it’s still a one way ‘conversation’ with it being Luke calling to Leia?

If I’m remembering it right, she could still be classed as being ‘passive’ in this moment?

She’s sensing Luke being in distress, she might even be literally hearing Luke call out to her…but she’s not broadcasting back.

I know she acknowledges the call by saying ‘Luke?’ but I always interpreted that as her saying it to herself out of realisation that she is feeling his presence and having some sort of intuition that he needs help?

Anyhow, well caught Chainsaw!

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Good notes all round, guys. It’s been hinted at in every movie after ANH, so fine to expand on it in the finale without needing Leia Poppins.

As a side note, I doubt that the Leia knowing it was Luke in ESB was originally intended to be her being force sensitive, since she only became his sister (and also the ‘there is another’) in one of the drafts of ROTJ, but retroactively it totally works.

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Here’s a question for everyone for a discussion.

One of the … many issues … I had with the movie has to do with Rey meeting Snoke for the first time. The issue I have is Snoke essentially reinforced the idea about “Balance.”

Rian was trying to change the narrative that basically, the Force balance itself out and there is no unbalance. Strong Light. Strong Dark. One side gets stronger … then the other side gets stronger. The issue with that is it invalidates the previous movies. (mainly the prequels that outright talks about balance and whatnot)

I was Ok with Luke’s “Rational” on the whole thing since he became disalutioned and turned is back on his original beliefs. (Like his father Anakin did with the Jedi order … oh father like son.) However, at the end of the movie (and reinforced with The Rise of Skywalker) Luke reverts back and owns up on his “wrong” view. He was wrong like Anakin’s believe in Revenge of the Sith was wrong that the Jedi were evil.

However, we have Snoke that agreed with Luke that essentially … the Force is balanced and Good Rises to meet with Dark. I hated that. It invalidates the prequel movies. It invalidates the rule of two. It even invalidates A New Hope that “there used to be a bunch of Jedi Knights that brought peace.” Since we only see 1 bad guy (emperor) and a turned coat Jedi (Darth Vader/Anakin).

I know an argument could be made that “Well, Snoke meant in total power, not individuals. Could be one strong bad guy and a bunch of weak strong guys.” But that argument doesn’t really work since Snoke was explicit that Kylo would meet his equal … which he strangly thought it could have been Luke. Which in itself is … odd. Somehow Luke, a Jedi Master, had to work his way up to Kylo? WTF?

Anyway, long story short, would the idea of removing this part of the speech help keep things more cohesive with the entire trilogy? It’s ok if Luke keeps with his “belief of the Force and Balance” since he became disenchanted but later admits he was wrong.

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Hey There Poppasketti! Very excited to watch the final cut with all our new changes whenever I get the required wifi.
After watching Rise of Skywalker, I was wondering what your thoughts are on the possible deleted scenes and whether or not you’d be willing to make an edit for a more seamless transition between our now (greatly) improved TLJ and ROS.

I’d be so super excited to look forward to participating in that edit.

Whaddaya think?

Sincerely, Axios

This is the way.

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@jarbear

I don’t think Light Side=Jedi and Dark Side=Sith. It would be like saying God=Catholic Church and the Devil=Theistic Satanism. Any organized belief system can only interpret their faith, rather than knowing the reality of it fully. I don’t think different characters having varying interpretations of the Force that seem to contradict each other is necessarily a detriment to the overall story. I don’t think every line in the movies that mentions the Force should be understood as an absolute fact about the true nature of the Force, you know what I mean?

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All theories are wrong; some are useful.

The Force should be beyond the ability of people to fully comprehend. I think the best way of viewing the Snoke lines is that he is identifying a connection between Rey and Kylo, but the full truth is not apparent to him, whatever that truth ends up being.

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NeverarGreat said:

All theories are wrong; some are useful.

The Force should be beyond the ability of people to fully comprehend. I think the best way of viewing the Snoke lines is that he is identifying a connection between Rey and Kylo, but the full truth is not apparent to him, whatever that truth ends up being.

I think this is a really elegant explanation, and it’s how I feel about it too.

I never liked the rule of two, or that balance was something we could really quantify. I’m fine with the characters wrestling with these ideas, but the force is better when it’s beyond any one character’s comprehension, even if their hubris makes them think otherwise.

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Axios said:

Hey There Poppasketti! Very excited to watch the final cut with all our new changes whenever I get the required wifi.
After watching Rise of Skywalker, I was wondering what your thoughts are on the possible deleted scenes and whether or not you’d be willing to make an edit for a more seamless transition between our now (greatly) improved TLJ and ROS.

I’d be so super excited to look forward to participating in that edit.

Whaddaya think?

Sincerely, Axios

Hey Axios,

Thanks for checking in!

Right now I’m following Hal’s Ascendant thread and the TROS Ideas thread. There’s a lot of creativity happening there now and I think there’s going to be a some great fanedits! Down the road I can think about whether I’d like to make my own version, but for now I want to see what others do and if I can help contribute to them.

About the deleted scenes, correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe there are any. It was pretty sad to hear when they announced that was the case, but unless something’s changed, we are unfortunately left without any extra scenes to play with.

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poppasketti said:
Hey Axios,

Thanks for checking in!

Right now I’m following Hal’s Ascendant thread and the TROS Ideas thread. There’s a lot of creativity happening there now and I think there’s going to be a some great fanedits! Down the road I can think about whether I’d like to make my own version, but for now I want to see what others do and if I can help contribute to them.

About the deleted scenes, correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe there are any. It was pretty sad to hear when they announced that was the case, but unless something’s changed, we are unfortunately left without any extra scenes to play with.

Yeah I didnt think there was any either I’m super bummbed, honestly hoping you knew something I didnt lol. Ok cool Ill check out that thread! Have a nice day, stay safe and it was truly a blast to have contributed to this vision!

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Since someone already PM’d me about it over on MySpleen:

I will be uploading V3 to MySpleen at some point, hopefully soon. Apologies for the delay. I’ll post here once it’s up, but I unfortunately don’t have a timeframe outside of “hopefully before the end of next week, but maybe not.”

Although the user who PM’d me could always upload it themselves before I get the chance to!

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V3 NO-PALPATINE!

Hello! The “V3 NoPalp” version is now posted. This is essentially the V2 updated with all of V3’s non-Palpatine changes, which are listed below. So now they’re two updated versions to choose from. I thought about naming this new version “Legacy” or something like that, but realized they might be confusing. “V3 NoPalp” is simple and very clear I think!

Thanks again everyone for your help and feedback!

V3 NON-PALPATINE CHANGES:

(PW for all vimeo links: fanedit)

  • Finn Wakes

    • Description: Rey whispers “Finn” right before he wakes up, hinting at his force sensitivity.
  • Praetorian Knife Continuity Fix

    • Description: removed continuity error of knife disappearing mid-shot, also had praetorian’s knife knocked away by Rey’s lightsaer strike way in the background of earlier shot.
  • Deleted Shuttle Scene Improvements

    • Description: improved reflections and particles on the wide shots, fixed 3D environment on viewscreen.
  • Crait Battle Tweaks

    • Description: enhanced Finn’s “Rose” reaction to her getting shot down, rotoscoped walker to turn and flex to target Finn, reversed angle of Finn’s speeder being targeted by walker (graphic provided by smpearce1981) and modified targeting graphics, cropped Finn cockpit POV shot so walker position difference isn’t noticeable (was always off, even in theatrical), adjusted angle and position of walker so it fires down and towards Finn speeder (mockup by NeverarGreat), enhanced Finn cockpit explosion effects, added explosion effect to shot of speeder coming apart, reduced music during canon explosion, cannon beams and hum removed when Finn exits crashed speeder.
  • Added Wilhelm Scream

    • Description: Wilhelm!
  • Broom Boy Rebel Ring Removal

    • Description: extended shots in end sequence to cover the rebel ring shot, maintaining timing.