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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread — Page 29

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idir_hh said:

Just skimmed through the TROS visual dictionary and lo and behold it explicitly says that the Sith loyalists took Palpatines body to Exogol and through “Science and occult” they brought him back to life.
Lucasfilm can’t decide which is it, clone or alive?
What happened to “an interconnected and consistent Canon”.
Such a shame, they’ve just thrown in the towel I guess.

Speaking of Palpatine’s body, how the hell did it survive the destruction of the second Death Star?

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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shhh don’t ask just consume.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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Unfortunately I don’t even think it really gave Kylo that much more agency. Kylo reprimands an officer who is skeptical of Palpatine and the Final Order, and there is a scene where Kylo communicates with Palpatine over hologram like he is his lackey, just like Vader was.

One thing to add that I think could be a nice touch is when Kylo says to Palpatine he should just kill him now, Palpatine should tell him to do it. “Do it. I have died before.”

I think Palpatine’s goal should be to take either Kylo or Rey as a new vessel. I feel like he has been grooming Kylo since birth to be his new vessel, so it is weird that he seems to throw him away so quickly for Rey. So if Kylo kills him then and there, fine. He has a new body.

When Kylo doesn’t immediately kill him, I think Palpatine should tell Kylo to just bring her to him. He has probably sensed her growing power and draw to the dark side, and he already knows Kylo doesn’t want to kill her. So his hope might be that that she will “kill” him instead and be an equally worthy vessel.

But Kylo knows he is up to something, so his goal should be the opposite of what Palpatine wants. So it should be clear that his goal is to prevent Rey from reaching Exegol and confronting Palpatine. Maybe Kylo is still unsure about how he should deal with Palpatine, but he knows he can’t give Palpatine what he wants.

This kind of bleeds into my complaints with Rey and Kylo’s interactions. It feels like TROS takes their whole “Join me.” conversation from TLJ and stretches it out across the whole movie. Their conversations certainly weren’t as engaging as their TLJ interactions, and I wish there was a way to make them more interesting.

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RogueLeader said:

Unfortunately I don’t even think it really gave Kylo that much more agency. Kylo reprimands an officer who is skeptical of Palpatine and the Final Order, and there is a scene where Kylo communicates with Palpatine over hologram like he is his lackey, just like Vader was.

That was General Pryde who was talking to Palpatine, not Kylo.

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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I recall that, so there wasn’t another hologram scene between Kylo and Palpatine? I feel like someone mentioned that, but I actually don’t remember it.

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RogueLeader said:

I recall that, so there wasn’t another hologram scene between Kylo and Palpatine? I feel like someone mentioned that, but I actually don’t remember it.

I do not recall any hologram scenes between Kylo and Palpatine at all.

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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Yes! That’s what it was. Wasn’t Kylo just in a random hallway?

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Yeah it’s palatines voice inside kylo head, the dialogue goes something like this :

Palps -“the jedi apprentice lives, I hope you’re not trying to decieve me, dont make me turn my fleet against yours”

Kylo -“I know where she is going”

Palps -“good, kill her!”

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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Speaking of which, Palpatine should not order Kylo to kill Rey in this movie, because in reality he actually wants Rey to be brought to him.

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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RogueLeader said:

Yes! That’s what it was. Wasn’t Kylo just in a random hallway?

Yep. Staring at the wall.

FreezingTNT2 said:

Speaking of which, Palpatine should not order Kylo to kill Rey in this movie, because in reality he actually wants Rey to be brought to him.

That’s exactly what RL was talking about in the post you quoted trying to correct him.

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Ok

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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idir_hh said:

Yeah it’s palatines voice inside kylo head, the dialogue goes something like this :

Palps -“the jedi apprentice lives, I hope you’re not trying to decieve me, dont make me turn my fleet against yours”

Kylo -“I know where she is going”

Palps -“good, kill her!”

So it isn’t a hologram, but it serves the same purpose. The dialogue definitely makes it look like Kylo is just following his orders. Sure, he has other plans, but functionally he is just doing what he wants. Kylo should be doing the opposite, if we want him to have any agency in this film.

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Thankfully the change can be reversed to its original intent without too much difficulty.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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Ian McDiarmid discusses Palpatine being a clone + deleted lines
https://twitter.com/senatesidious/status/1233995580709449729

Ian said that in the “original script that is no longer with us” (hmm) Kylo points out Palpatine’s a clone, and Palpatine responds:

"More than a clone… less than a man.

Ian says it in character so that audio could be used in an edit at least.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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Interesting find! It might be difficult to clean the audio, but it would be nice little tidbit to have if someone were able to work some magic on it.

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Kylo’s mouth is masked by his arm for most of his dialogue with palpatine so he could say something akin to “you’re just a clone” than cut to palpatines with his hands raised up saying “more than a clone, less than a man” and continue with his spiel about Rey and the new empire - leave the destroyers rising till the end of the scene.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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idir_hh said:

Ian McDiarmid discusses Palpatine being a clone + deleted lines
https://twitter.com/senatesidious/status/1233995580709449729

Ian said that in the “original script that is no longer with us” (hmm) Kylo points out Palpatine’s a clone, and Palpatine responds:

"More than a clone… less than a man.

Sounds like another one of Jason Ward’s leaks has been confirmed. One of his leaks from around September described the scene of Kylo meeting Palpatine. According to him, Kylo asks “What are you?” to which Palpatine replies “Not a clone, not yet a man.” The phrasing in this version is different, but the point is basically the same. So this just gives more credibility to the leaks representing an earlier version of the movie.

My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
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If I remember correctly he also reported a long while back that Matt Smith played a young Palpatine -post rejuvination- that was killed by Kylo but than his spirit possessed him and Kylo asked Rey to Kill him so that his spirit would die forever.

EDIT: found the link https://makingstarwars.net/2019/04/huge-rumor-about-how-the-final-duel-in-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-plays-out/

-The rumor is that Matt Smith isn’t Palpatine reborn or rejuvenated but a dark side acolyte.
-However, during The Rise of Skywalker, Smith’s character is willfully possessed by the spirit of Emperor Palpatine.
-During the final act of the film Rey and Kylo team up to fight the Palpatine possessed Matt Smith.
-The two-on-one duel is pretty intense for the duo.
-Eventually Kylo Ren kills Palpatine’s host body
-Palpatine’s spirit then jumps into Kylo Ren’s body.
-Kylo Ren is strong enough to not lose total control of his mental faculties.
-Kylo Ren struggles to take control of his body but subdues himself and his weapon while beckoning Rey to kill him.
-Kylo does the right thing and becomes Ben Solo again as he sacrifices himself to kill Palpatine.
-Rey having never toyed with the dark side like Kylo Ren and the acolyte did means Palpatine has body evil enough to
inhabit.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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In this bit of the movie, it could be possible to dub in a Threepio line from TCW or other material which implies he now remembers the prequels as well. He talks for quite a while, and as long as he still mentions ‘Mistress Rey’ somehow it would be clear he remembers everything now and hasn’t regressed. More radically, you could perhaps find a way to move this scene later in the film, or even mask out the whole background or something, and use it for a ‘R2 and C3PO telling the story of Star Wars’ moment or something similar.

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Some more info from the novelisation
(from reddit)

After Palpatine realises that Ben and Rey are the dyad, he reminisces about the time when he wanted to create a Dyad between himself and Anakin. Darth Plagueis also wanted a Dyad between himself and Palpatine. This is because the power of the Dyad is just so powerful, more so than any Rule of 2 concept. Except Palpatine and Plagueis obviously failed. Ben and Rey’s Dyad is referred to “their power”.

Leia doesn’t want to make same mistake with Rey as she did with Ben, so wont send her away.

Kylo says he wants to rule side by side with Rey when Palps orders him to kill her. Kylo had no intention of killing her. Kylo reconstructs his helmet because it’s a KOR tradition or something to wear the helmet. Kylo has to scavenges the pieces.

Kylo interrogates Chewie when he’s taken captive. Kylo goes into Chewie’s mind and Chewie is throwing memories at him. Han and Chewie when they’re young, Han and Leia cuddling baby Ben, target practice with blaster, Ben used to call him “Uncle Chewie”.

Lando has a missing daughter. Lando finds a holo disc in a secret compartment on the Falcon, the holo is of Chewie holding baby Ben. Baby Ben is giggling and pulling on his fur.

Rose and Rey scene. They’re clearly very good friends. They hug.

The reason why Leia’s health is deteriorating so quickly is because when she got blown out of space in TLJ there was damage done to her body.

Luke is speaking to Leia all throughout the book telling Leia it’s “time[to go]” she resists the whole book. She thinks about Luke’s last effort to save the resistance in Crait was his ultimate act of hope and sacrifice for Ben. Leia wants to talk to Ben one more time. Leia says something like “I’m Leia Organa Skywalker Solo” - she wants Rey to take up her Skywalker legacy, Ben to take up the Solo legacy, Poe to take up Organa legacy and with all her power she puts in her hope that this one last time will bring Ben back, and it does.

Rey is already building her own lightsaber.

There is so much Reylo in the book, when you get to the kiss, “gratitude” is used becus he just brought her back to life, but there is so much How they feel about each other, what they think about each other, feels like a straight up YA novel.

‪Force sensitive Finn still not outright but heavily implied. Rey mindtricks Finn in Pasaana. Rey knows Kylo is coming and Finn doesn’t want Rey to go, so Rey has to mindtrick him. ‬

Finn worried about Rey a lot. Says “They started their friendship saving each other”. Rey says something like “Finn would have been a great Jedi” ( host paraphrasing)

As part of his contingency, Palpatine prepared a clone before being yeeted down the shaft as he sensed the flicker of light within Vader. Before his body hit the ground he had learned to project his essence into one of the Clones. This was an imperfect clone. Palpatines son (Rey’s father) is also a clone. The son is one of the clone projects of Palpatine, because they kept trying to make a body for Palps to contain his power. The son is a perfect bodied clone. Palpatine hated the son for being a failure as he had no Force abilities. Palpatine wanted Rey because she was… naturally conceived?

There is also somthing about Plageuis trying to create a clone and failing or something. Lol Clone obsessed!
https://i.redd.it/bvbqius37jk41.jpg

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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So Palpatine isn’t Rey’s real grandfather?

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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Rey’s father being a clone really weakens the “stronger than blood” theme, first we get the “muh parents where good” spiel and now this, I find that they’re very persistent in undercutting Rey’s character arch.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…