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TFA: A Gentle Restructure (Released) — Page 88

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Hal 9000 said:
removed Threepio’s line, “It would take a miracle to save us now.”

Maybe changing it to “it would take a miracle to save the REPUBLIC now.” would emphasis the stakes more.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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Loving it Hal, I can’t wait to watch it!

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Regarding Han shooting the stormtrooper, are you just adding it back in as-is? I don’t think adding anything to it is really necessary, but I had some other thoughts of what could be implemented to it. I think I had suggested Han reacting to the lucky shot with surprised, “Huh”, but instead of that, you could add a sound of the stormtrooper’s blaster “charging”, or the stormtrooper could start saying, “Don’t move” or something along those lines, to imply Han heard the stormtrooper behind him and shot in the direction of the sound. Or have a shot buzz past Han. Anything to give Han an indication that a stormtrooper is behind him, since right now it seems like Han just “knew” a stormtrooper was there. It honestly doesn’t bother me but I could see how adding some kind of hint could improve the moment, maybe.

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RogueLeader said:

Regarding Han shooting the stormtrooper, are you just adding it back in as-is? I don’t think adding anything to it is really necessary, but I had some other thoughts of what could be implemented to it. I think I had suggested Han reacting to the lucky shot with surprised, “Huh”, but instead of that, you could add a sound of the stormtrooper’s blaster “charging”, or the stormtrooper could start saying, “Don’t move” or something along those lines, to imply Han heard the stormtrooper behind him and shot in the direction of the sound. Or have a shot buzz past Han. Anything to give Han an indication that a stormtrooper is behind him, since right now it seems like Han just “knew” a stormtrooper was there. It honestly doesn’t bother me but I could see how adding some kind of hint could improve the moment, maybe.

Good idea about the sound, his shot didn’t bother me but I can see such a change being the best of both worlds.

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Wouldn’t be a bad idea, and I might be able to play with it a little.

As far as 3PO’s line, it isn’t made clear that the good guys know the FO’s target, which is sort of a good thing for the edit.

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Hal, did you decide on this change that you mentioned earlier:

“Maybe add Palpatine telling Rey “kill him” when she beats Kylo, which is an internal voice she hears in the novelization (though likely not intended to be Palpatine per se).”

I really like it, because it suggests the idea that Rey has some internal struggle with the dark side, which I think makes her character less perfect (more conflicted). It also would give us the first hints of the “force talking” mechanic that is so prominent in The Last Jedi.

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It didn’t sound good in practice, and even a good delivery of the line would feel weird thrown into the scene as it is. So, I went with a weird compromise: I added it, but it’s at an extremely low volume that no one could possible hear.
Basically, I didn’t end up going with it.

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Noice. Yeah, what Nev said, and I think it is enough to alleviate any concerns about it.

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I brought the sound more toward center until the shot where Han moves into position to shoot, and made the shot interrupt the yelling. It works well and is subtle enough to avoid problems. 😃

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Simply good direction!

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Good … good …

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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I’m not entirely sure what your intention of adding the extension to Rey’s Force vision with Finn does for the story to come in the trilogy. You say because they’re separated, but in what way and how impactful is it? It never really was a huge blow to them both that they were apart in The Last Jedi and half of The Rise of Skywalker.

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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NeverarGreat said:

The intention of adding it (in my edit anyway) was to give the vision some more immediate relevance to Rey’s emotional state - she’s afraid of losing people forever and fears that this has just happened with Finn. I don’t think it needs to speak to the rest of the trilogy.

I see your point, but if her vision shows the past and future, such as accurately predicting her fight in the snowy woods with Kylo Ren, then this would be an event that never happened. It could work for a personal nightmare she’s having, but the vision is mainly triggered from touching the lightsaber which has had a legacy that she is unaware of and is experiencing and interacting with for her first time.

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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nl0428 said:

NeverarGreat said:

The intention of adding it (in my edit anyway) was to give the vision some more immediate relevance to Rey’s emotional state - she’s afraid of losing people forever and fears that this has just happened with Finn. I don’t think it needs to speak to the rest of the trilogy.

I see your point, but if her vision shows the past and future, such as accurately predicting her fight in the snowy woods with Kylo Ren, then this would be an event that never happened. It could work for a personal nightmare she’s having, but the vision is mainly triggered from touching the lightsaber which has had a legacy that she is unaware of and is experiencing and interacting with for her first time.

You could say that Kylo seeing Rey while standing with his knights in the rain never happened either. I don’t know, making one aspect of the vision be a more personal nightmare makes it more, well, personal than the rest of it and gives the rest of the vision some more grounding in an emotional reality.

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Hi Hal

Sorry to bring up an old request but since Nev nailed it in his edit and it can be seen in action, have you had or would you consider any re-evaluation on the ordering of scenes immediately after the Falcons jump to hyperspace following the Kanjaklub/Rathtar sequence.

Nev’s instincts on what follows matches my own.

That right after ‘inform the first order’ etc

In your cut you jump straight to the First order and the Han/Kylo reveal before Snoke scene before cutting back to the Falcon.

Nev’s cut continues the Falcon scenes…which makes so much more sense chronologically, helps the pacing and also gives some ‘real time’ for the messages about BB8 being in the possession of Han Solo some time to make it’s way and be digested by the top brass of the FO.

I know you had concerns that cutting from the Falcon jumping to hyperspace and then back to it would seem more jarring, but I think Nev’s approach demonstrates otherwise.

I LOVE your cut of TFA it’s my ‘go to’ but that one single editing choice is the ONLY one that doesn’t quite hit the mark.

I say this because normally you could logically assume there was a time jump between scenes…but when we return to the events on the falcon no ‘in story’ development has occurred so theres a chronological misstep.

As your guiding light for this project is just a gentle restructure, i personally feel it’s worth another look.

I respect your prerogative as the owner here, and if it hadn’t worked in Nev’s edit, I wouldn’t be re-asking the question.

So…i’ll leave it with you One last time with nothing but gratitude and respect for your work

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I appreciate the thought you’ve put into it, but I’d prefer for TFA:R to remain as it is, sticking pretty close to the original movie outside it’s main couple aims. I don’t particularly like going straight from the escape to the ‘electrical overload’ bit, but it works well for what Nev is going for in his.

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Simple editing of video is not too hard or godlike (yet amazing things can be accomplished with just this alone). Kudos to those who remove center channel audio smoothly. Double kudos to those who replace portions of the soundtrack. Triple kudos to those who add VFX using after effects (like poppasketti).

Easy solution to most everyone who wants a custom edit:

  1. load the video file into Vegas/Final Cut/Premiere
  2. use the slicer to make edits and move scenes around
  3. crossfade the audio between the clips
  4. export the project
  5. watch it over and over until Rian Johnson comes out with his own trilogy

heil Palpatine!

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Sure! In 2013, before I was resolved to doing new edits, I explored just cobbling together L8wrtr’s edits with a few things of my own. Sure would have been a lot simpler! Lol

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krausfadr said:

Simple editing of video is not too hard or godlike (yet amazing things can be accomplished with just this alone). Kudos to those who remove center channel audio smoothly. Double kudos to those who replace portions of the soundtrack. Triple kudos to those who add VFX using after effects (like poppasketti).

Easy solution to most everyone who wants a custom edit:

  1. load the video file into Vegas/Final Cut/Premiere
  2. use the slicer to make edits and move scenes around
  3. crossfade the audio between the clips
  4. export the project
  5. watch it over and over until Rian Johnson comes out with his own trilogy

Funnily enough, I have ‘tried’ that…but I’ve found Premiere doesn’t accept the MKV container, so it stopped me in my tracks before I even got started.

I know I could convert the file to an acceptable format, but then we are talking potential quality loss across conversions.

I did even try a down and dirty down conversion just to tinker around with a really scruffy workprint, but then the audio wasn’t recognised.

At that point I just gave up.

I’m no stranger to Blu-Ray ripping, so I assume I could use the raw/lossless files, but when the only thing I’d want to change from Hals edit is that one order of scenes…I couldn’t face doing a re-edit from the ground up on that basis alone. esecially considering:-

  1. I lack the overall competency (in the fine details/refinements to produce something of this quality)
  2. I wouldn’t know where to begin on adding in the VFX
  3. Time, dedication and patience - I’ve got actual ADHD and so my ability to see ANYTHING through without distraction and/or loss of interest once it gets mundane and/or difficult is hugely lacking (just see above! 😃 )

Hal has rightly said his piece, and since I can’t bring anything of my own to the table, I accept it and continue to be grateful that we have what we have, which is definitely superior to the official cut!

In reality when it comes to movies/shows/fan edits and the creative decisions made by anyone other than ourselves, we can all have our 'what if’s and ‘if only’s’ but where does it end? I suppose eventually you just have to settle on what you are given?

I mean, I’d love to see ‘Restructured’ remade in 4k HDR once the UHD Blu-Ray officially releases…but that’s highly unlikely considering the hardware that would be required to export an edit like that, let alone the time and effort required by someone like Hal to effectively start the whole project again from scratch 😃

I’m good with what Hal has offered and I’m grateful for it.

I do wish I had the constitution to be a more constructive contributor to this community by offering my own alternatives/visions…but I’m self aware enough to simply admit that I’m simply not competent enough to do it, so the best I’ve got is just some good, solid ‘back seat driving’ advice 😃

…but we all know how people feel about back seat drivers! Hence, I’m gunna shut up now 😃

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FAN: Can you please just do me a favor and cut that annoying part out of a New Hope where Luke was being whiney.

FAN EDITOR: have u herd of imovie?

heil Palpatine!