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No the shots where R2 goes are exactly where they should be. What deleted stop motion are you talking about?

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Ronster got a random idea in his head and is assuming it’s fact? No!

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Ronster said:

You need to refute the Special edition in a questionable manner without coming over as confrontational about it because it is not all bad

I don’t care if it’s not all bad or even if it’s all actually great. That isn’t the issue AT ALL.
Suppression of history is WRONG. (why do I keep having to say this?)
Trying to reason with LFL that “it’s the version I prefer, so you should make it available” is going about it all wrong. It’s not the point that should be made.
Erasing & altering history is morally wrong. It’s an evil thing to try & do.

Ray’s Lounge
Biggs in ANH edit idea
ROTJ opening edit idea

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Mocata said:

Chewielewis said:

Ronster said:
If you take the spliced in shots of R2-D2 on death star whilst playing chess on the millennium falcon. If I was right that those stop motion chess pieces time exactly with the spliced in shots of R2-D2 then we can confirm Special effects not completed and R2-D2 was spliced in to cover the unfinished sequence although it was shot just not finished. If you were going to do a Special Edition why on earth would you not restore those special effects shots restoring how the film was planned and “meant to be”

These aren’t unfinished effects. They probably just forgot to do closeups of R2 in the falcon. Whoever thought of using the Death Star footage for that scene was a genius, you’d never know if someone hadnt pointed it out to you.

The editors were legit geniuses.

This^
At this point I’m inclined to believe that Star Wars was a s**t-show saved in editing. Especially given how the prequels are… the prequels, how Jedi is paced (I say this because it’s the OT movie Lucas had the most control over) and how the Special Edition and '04/'11/'19 revisions are edited. I think Lucas needs to be kept as far away from the editing process as possible. Thank the 9 he didn’t have control over then new films.
(Sorry mods for getting off topic.)

Luke astro-projects himself to Salt Lake Planet, gets shot at by gorilla walkers, has a non-lightsaber duel with Darth Millennial, then dies of a broken heart, inspiring broom boys throughout the galaxy to get creative with their sweeping. - DuracellEnergizer

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J0E said:

Mocata said:

Chewielewis said:

Ronster said:
If you take the spliced in shots of R2-D2 on death star whilst playing chess on the millennium falcon. If I was right that those stop motion chess pieces time exactly with the spliced in shots of R2-D2 then we can confirm Special effects not completed and R2-D2 was spliced in to cover the unfinished sequence although it was shot just not finished. If you were going to do a Special Edition why on earth would you not restore those special effects shots restoring how the film was planned and “meant to be”

These aren’t unfinished effects. They probably just forgot to do closeups of R2 in the falcon. Whoever thought of using the Death Star footage for that scene was a genius, you’d never know if someone hadnt pointed it out to you.

The editors were legit geniuses.

This^
At this point I’m inclined to believe that Star Wars was a s**t-show saved in editing. Especially given how the prequels are… the prequels, how Jedi is paced (I say this because it’s the OT movie Lucas had the most control over) and how the Special Edition and '04/'11/'19 revisions are edited. I think Lucas needs to be kept as far away from the editing process as possible. Thank the 9 he didn’t have control over then new films.
(Sorry mods for getting off topic.)

I love this idea that Lucas somehow had the editing of Star Wars taken away from him and had no input whatsoever.

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J0E said:

Mocata said:

Chewielewis said:

Ronster said:
If you take the spliced in shots of R2-D2 on death star whilst playing chess on the millennium falcon. If I was right that those stop motion chess pieces time exactly with the spliced in shots of R2-D2 then we can confirm Special effects not completed and R2-D2 was spliced in to cover the unfinished sequence although it was shot just not finished. If you were going to do a Special Edition why on earth would you not restore those special effects shots restoring how the film was planned and “meant to be”

These aren’t unfinished effects. They probably just forgot to do closeups of R2 in the falcon. Whoever thought of using the Death Star footage for that scene was a genius, you’d never know if someone hadnt pointed it out to you.

The editors were legit geniuses.

This^
At this point I’m inclined to believe that Star Wars was a s**t-show saved in editing. Especially given how the prequels are… the prequels, how Jedi is paced (I say this because it’s the OT movie Lucas had the most control over) and how the Special Edition and '04/'11/'19 revisions are edited. I think Lucas needs to be kept as far away from the editing process as possible. Thank the 9 he didn’t have control over then new films.
(Sorry mods for getting off topic.)

Given that the ST didn’t turn out that great for many, I would say the editing while important isn’t what determines how well a Star Wars film is regarded by posterity. Overall the ST has turned out to be a mixed bag, like the PT before it. It just has different flaws than the PT. I would say Lucas’ imagination and drive is still the main ingredient to the success of the franchise, and I personally prefer the PT over the ST despite its many flaws in the execution department.

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DrDre said:

J0E said:

Mocata said:

Chewielewis said:

Ronster said:
If you take the spliced in shots of R2-D2 on death star whilst playing chess on the millennium falcon. If I was right that those stop motion chess pieces time exactly with the spliced in shots of R2-D2 then we can confirm Special effects not completed and R2-D2 was spliced in to cover the unfinished sequence although it was shot just not finished. If you were going to do a Special Edition why on earth would you not restore those special effects shots restoring how the film was planned and “meant to be”

These aren’t unfinished effects. They probably just forgot to do closeups of R2 in the falcon. Whoever thought of using the Death Star footage for that scene was a genius, you’d never know if someone hadnt pointed it out to you.

The editors were legit geniuses.

This^
At this point I’m inclined to believe that Star Wars was a s**t-show saved in editing. Especially given how the prequels are… the prequels, how Jedi is paced (I say this because it’s the OT movie Lucas had the most control over) and how the Special Edition and '04/'11/'19 revisions are edited. I think Lucas needs to be kept as far away from the editing process as possible. Thank the 9 he didn’t have control over then new films.
(Sorry mods for getting off topic.)

Given that the ST didn’t turn out that great for many, I would say the editing while important isn’t what determines how well a Star Wars film is regarded by posterity. Overall the ST has turned out to be a mixed bag, like the PT before it. It just has different flaws than the PT. I would say Lucas’ imagination and drive is still the main ingredient to the success of the franchise, and I personally prefer the PT over the ST despite its many flaws in the execution department.

It’s almost impressive how you can turn every topic into a dig at the ST.

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I should point out that Star Wars won an Academy Award for editing (due in no small part to the work of Marcia Lucas), so being in awe of its original editing is not unwarranted.

I should also point out that in the very first post-theatrical edit to Star Wars (in which the crawl was revised in 1981 to give Star Wars an episode number and title), the editors fucked up so badly that you have to watch an entire planet miss its audio cue by several seconds at the beginning of every single home video release of Star Wars except the GOUT.

And that pretty much set the bar for all future edits to the OT. Regardless of who’s to blame, Star Wars editing has been an unqualified shitshow since the revisions started.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

J0E said:

Mocata said:

Chewielewis said:

Ronster said:
If you take the spliced in shots of R2-D2 on death star whilst playing chess on the millennium falcon. If I was right that those stop motion chess pieces time exactly with the spliced in shots of R2-D2 then we can confirm Special effects not completed and R2-D2 was spliced in to cover the unfinished sequence although it was shot just not finished. If you were going to do a Special Edition why on earth would you not restore those special effects shots restoring how the film was planned and “meant to be”

These aren’t unfinished effects. They probably just forgot to do closeups of R2 in the falcon. Whoever thought of using the Death Star footage for that scene was a genius, you’d never know if someone hadnt pointed it out to you.

The editors were legit geniuses.

This^
At this point I’m inclined to believe that Star Wars was a s**t-show saved in editing. Especially given how the prequels are… the prequels, how Jedi is paced (I say this because it’s the OT movie Lucas had the most control over) and how the Special Edition and '04/'11/'19 revisions are edited. I think Lucas needs to be kept as far away from the editing process as possible. Thank the 9 he didn’t have control over then new films.
(Sorry mods for getting off topic.)

Given that the ST didn’t turn out that great for many, I would say the editing while important isn’t what determines how well a Star Wars film is regarded by posterity. Overall the ST has turned out to be a mixed bag, like the PT before it. It just has different flaws than the PT. I would say Lucas’ imagination and drive is still the main ingredient to the success of the franchise, and I personally prefer the PT over the ST despite its many flaws in the execution department.

It’s almost impressive how you can turn every topic into a dig at the ST.

Considering I’ve hardly discussed the ST in many months, I don’t really know what you’re talking about. Please point to the many topics I’ve turned into a dig at the ST in recent times, otherwise please get your facts straight before posting innuendo. However, I don’t really care for the myth, that Star Wars somehow became a success despite George Lucas. Without GL there would be no Star Wars, and if others can “take a dig” at the PT to “prove” that Lucas’ contribution is overrated, I can point to the unimaginative, and highly derivative nature of the ST to argue the opposite. If that’s considered a dig at the ST by some hypersensitive individuals, so be it. It’s also interesting to note the bias in taking a dig at me for referencing the ST, whilst the reference to the PT in the same thread is conveniently ignored.

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DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

J0E said:

Mocata said:

Chewielewis said:

Ronster said:
If you take the spliced in shots of R2-D2 on death star whilst playing chess on the millennium falcon. If I was right that those stop motion chess pieces time exactly with the spliced in shots of R2-D2 then we can confirm Special effects not completed and R2-D2 was spliced in to cover the unfinished sequence although it was shot just not finished. If you were going to do a Special Edition why on earth would you not restore those special effects shots restoring how the film was planned and “meant to be”

These aren’t unfinished effects. They probably just forgot to do closeups of R2 in the falcon. Whoever thought of using the Death Star footage for that scene was a genius, you’d never know if someone hadnt pointed it out to you.

The editors were legit geniuses.

This^
At this point I’m inclined to believe that Star Wars was a s**t-show saved in editing. Especially given how the prequels are… the prequels, how Jedi is paced (I say this because it’s the OT movie Lucas had the most control over) and how the Special Edition and '04/'11/'19 revisions are edited. I think Lucas needs to be kept as far away from the editing process as possible. Thank the 9 he didn’t have control over then new films.
(Sorry mods for getting off topic.)

Given that the ST didn’t turn out that great for many, I would say the editing while important isn’t what determines how well a Star Wars film is regarded by posterity. Overall the ST has turned out to be a mixed bag, like the PT before it. It just has different flaws than the PT. I would say Lucas’ imagination and drive is still the main ingredient to the success of the franchise, and I personally prefer the PT over the ST despite its many flaws in the execution department.

It’s almost impressive how you can turn every topic into a dig at the ST.

Considering I’ve hardly discussed the ST in many months, I don’t really know what you’re talking about. Please point to the many topics I’ve turned into a dig at the ST in recent times, otherwise please get your facts straight before posting innuendo. However, I don’t really care for the myth, that Star Wars somehow became a success despite George Lucas. Without GL there would be no Star Wars, and if others can “take a dig” at the PT to “prove” that Lucas’ contribution is overrated, I can point to the unimaginative, and highly derivative nature of the ST to argue the opposite. If that’s considered a dig at the ST by some hypersensitive individuals, so be it.

Maybe I just think there’s a way to discuss the topic at hand without going off topic? Maybe not recently but it’s a common occurrence that when someone makes a dig at the PT you come rushing in to make sure everyone knows the ST is worse. If you love the PT so much you should be able to defend it without putting unrelated films down. It’s hardly an effective arguing tactic.

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DrDre said:

J0E said:

Mocata said:

Chewielewis said:

Ronster said:
If you take the spliced in shots of R2-D2 on death star whilst playing chess on the millennium falcon. If I was right that those stop motion chess pieces time exactly with the spliced in shots of R2-D2 then we can confirm Special effects not completed and R2-D2 was spliced in to cover the unfinished sequence although it was shot just not finished. If you were going to do a Special Edition why on earth would you not restore those special effects shots restoring how the film was planned and “meant to be”

These aren’t unfinished effects. They probably just forgot to do closeups of R2 in the falcon. Whoever thought of using the Death Star footage for that scene was a genius, you’d never know if someone hadnt pointed it out to you.

The editors were legit geniuses.

This^
At this point I’m inclined to believe that Star Wars was a s**t-show saved in editing. Especially given how the prequels are… the prequels, how Jedi is paced (I say this because it’s the OT movie Lucas had the most control over) and how the Special Edition and '04/'11/'19 revisions are edited. I think Lucas needs to be kept as far away from the editing process as possible. Thank the 9 he didn’t have control over then new films.
(Sorry mods for getting off topic.)

Given that the ST didn’t turn out that great for many, I would say the editing while important isn’t what determines how well a Star Wars film is regarded by posterity. Overall the ST has turned out to be a mixed bag, like the PT before it. It just has different flaws than the PT. I would say Lucas’ imagination and drive is still the main ingredient to the success of the franchise, and I personally prefer the PT over the ST despite its many flaws in the execution department.

Some forget many do like ST as well. And maybe even better with Fan Editors on here when they finish projects. Many choices for everyone to make ST films better for more people here! 😃

I think the collaboration of people who were talented in fields of work around Lucas at the time of Original Trilogy made for better Original Trilogy.

More talented in fields of work people around than in time of Prequels, and maybe challenge Lucas more than in Prequels?.

ST is hard to judge because we need time to think who had influence on which part of each ST films. We not had deleted scenes or behind scenes documentarys for IX yet. And JJ, writers, crew, actors, editors talk more soon.

R4

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CatBus said:

I should point out that Star Wars won an Academy Award for editing (due in no small part to the work of Marcia Lucas), so being in awe of its original editing is not unwarranted.

People tend not to realize I suppose that Lucas oversaw the editing team and even did some editing himself on the film.

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DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

J0E said:

Mocata said:

Chewielewis said:

Ronster said:
If you take the spliced in shots of R2-D2 on death star whilst playing chess on the millennium falcon. If I was right that those stop motion chess pieces time exactly with the spliced in shots of R2-D2 then we can confirm Special effects not completed and R2-D2 was spliced in to cover the unfinished sequence although it was shot just not finished. If you were going to do a Special Edition why on earth would you not restore those special effects shots restoring how the film was planned and “meant to be”

These aren’t unfinished effects. They probably just forgot to do closeups of R2 in the falcon. Whoever thought of using the Death Star footage for that scene was a genius, you’d never know if someone hadnt pointed it out to you.

The editors were legit geniuses.

This^
At this point I’m inclined to believe that Star Wars was a s**t-show saved in editing. Especially given how the prequels are… the prequels, how Jedi is paced (I say this because it’s the OT movie Lucas had the most control over) and how the Special Edition and '04/'11/'19 revisions are edited. I think Lucas needs to be kept as far away from the editing process as possible. Thank the 9 he didn’t have control over then new films.
(Sorry mods for getting off topic.)

Given that the ST didn’t turn out that great for many, I would say the editing while important isn’t what determines how well a Star Wars film is regarded by posterity. Overall the ST has turned out to be a mixed bag, like the PT before it. It just has different flaws than the PT. I would say Lucas’ imagination and drive is still the main ingredient to the success of the franchise, and I personally prefer the PT over the ST despite its many flaws in the execution department.

It’s almost impressive how you can turn every topic into a dig at the ST.

Considering I’ve hardly discussed the ST in many months, I don’t really know what you’re talking about. Please point to the many topics I’ve turned into a dig at the ST in recent times, otherwise please get your facts straight before posting innuendo. However, I don’t really care for the myth, that Star Wars somehow became a success despite George Lucas. Without GL there would be no Star Wars, and if others can “take a dig” at the PT to “prove” that Lucas’ contribution is overrated, I can point to the unimaginative, and highly derivative nature of the ST to argue the opposite. If that’s considered a dig at the ST by some hypersensitive individuals, so be it.

Maybe I just think there’s a way to discuss the topic at hand without going off topic? If you love the PT so much you should be able to defend it without putting unrelated films down. It’s hardly an effective arguing tactic.

And how is taking a dig at the PT not off-topic, or is it only a problem, if you disagree with a person’s point of view?

it’s a common occurrence that when someone makes a dig at the PT you come rushing in to make sure everyone knows the ST is worse.

More innuendo, please provide some evidence of this. I’ve criticized the ST many times in the distant past (and the PT before that), but usually not in the context of the PT, and most of it in the appropriate threads (and even there it often resulted in digs at me rather than the arguments presented).

Perhaps you should not derail the thread with personal attacks.

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DominicCobb said:

CatBus said:

I should point out that Star Wars won an Academy Award for editing (due in no small part to the work of Marcia Lucas), so being in awe of its original editing is not unwarranted.

People tend not to realize I suppose that Lucas oversaw the editing team and even did some editing himself on the film.

This. The editors said it themselves when receiving the Academy Award.

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Omni said:

DominicCobb said:

CatBus said:

I should point out that Star Wars won an Academy Award for editing (due in no small part to the work of Marcia Lucas), so being in awe of its original editing is not unwarranted.

People tend not to realize I suppose that Lucas oversaw the editing team and even did some editing himself on the film.

This. The editors said it themselves when receiving the Academy Award.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk&t=460s

This seems a good place to put this but I’m assuming many here have already seen it.

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I am not slagging off the editing I am merely pointing out those 2 shots during the chess game might be to cover for what you don’t have i.e. stop motion chess pieces effects.

This happens all the time if you can’t understand what covering something is because you don’t have it in the can.

The point was if that was what was meant to go there why not restore that to a Special edition?

But perhaps it is not meant to go there.

Conan the Barbarian uses quite a lot of covering shots in it’s editing still a great film same as Star Wars essentially it is interesting to identify alternates.

You can Lump that last shot of Tarkin also before the death Star explodes this was a covering edit. The chain reaction special effects shot was never completed.

This is just reused repeated footage to cover not having the material. You can see it in Return of the Jedi though. And this is probably why this never got restored to the film.

I have decided to point out where and what and it’s not all that much.

  1. The exterior Exposion on the Tantive does not co-incide with the interior explosion.

  2. First escape Pod Launch and destruction missing uses cover shots of 3p0 and R2-D2 for this missing material.

  3. Tantive corridor Gunfight Jumbled timeline

  4. Leia insert the Card to R2-D2 moved splice missing.

  5. Cantina had certain shots in diffetent places alternates for Ponda Baba Arm Head Flipper Arm.unused material also.

  6. Falcon shoot out in mos eisley tattooine Jumbled Time Line

  7. Falcon swerve in Space Star Destroyer is Missing.

  8. Cell Block shootout the Shot of the Door control exploding was moved to the falcon Hanger Shootout. They have an argument about shooting this Door Control.

  9. Chasm scene Death star Core matte painting looking down missing probably replaces the object that Luke grapples. Gunfight timeline is Jumbled footage. Missing Audio can be found in the trailer

  10. Death Star Hanger shootout Jumbled timeline

  11. Jumbled edit of Death Star attack Shot of wedge in trench used to cover shot of x-wing destroyed by surface guns before Luke Goes in.

  12. Chain reaction explosion Special effects missing. Tarkin thinking reused footage to cover this missing material.

  13. Kenobi vs Vader Jumbled timeline misses shot of Vader swinging and hitting the wall from trailer

  14. Jumpcut on Alderaan explosion and music slightly out of alignment due to a shot from behind of Peter Cushin mouthing dialogue no Audio dialogue… This put the music out and also got even more messed up when the explosion was also cut short. The graphic was not completed for the screen prior to Leias arrival.

  15. Shots of R2-D2 on Death Star during game of chess might of been an alternate to some stop motion chess pieces that were deleted.

  16. Falcon Escape turret battle re-arranged Jumbled timeline.

That is about all I ever found.

Some of the gun fights may not be confused however in 4:3 depending on the pan and scan framing of a scene as the 4:3 cropping and pan and scan would always be given precedence over 16:9 framing in the cinema. Not always the case but 4:3 version would already have been considered and be taken into account. Meaning you might see too much in cinema of the frame compared to a 4:3 version which may eliminate some confusion.

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Ronster you have no idea what you are talking about. All of these shots could be deliberate editing choices to improved the edit of the film, not because of missing effect shots. Most of them are very deliberate story edits.

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Again - I understand some people saying “no Original Versions, no sale” but I don’t agree. I don’t know if I’ll be getting this set yet, it really does depend on the new transfers, and whatever documentaries might be included, but of primary interest to me is seeing whether or not Isolated Scores will be included.

The original versions at least saw A release during the DVD era. Yes, they were the Def. Edition laserdisc masters, and I know how that doesn’t really “count” for many (myself included) but still - they at least got added as a bonus feature at SOME point in this saga’s long home video history.

There isn’t a single Star Wars release on DVD or Blu-Ray that’s EVER had an isolated score accompanying it, aside from The Last Jedi. I would 100% pay full price for a box-set that gives me the option to toggle to watching the movies with John Williams’ score. Or further, with alternate takes mixed back into the picture. That’s definitely pie-in-the-skying it, but still - if this set has isolated scores for every movie on it - that’s a must-buy for me.

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The Last Jedi isolated score was only available with the digital download included with the US blu-ray. There wasn’t any isolated score audio track present on the disc.

Han: Hey Lando! You kept your promise, right? Not a scratch?
Lando: Well, what’s left of her isn’t scratched. All the scratched parts got knocked off along the way.
Han (exasperated): Knocked off?!

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That’s why I said “accompanying” it. I know it wasn’t on the disc, but thank you for the correction. Any isolated score inclusion, on-disc or not, that accompanies this set’s release, is welcomed, and would earn my purchase of this set by itself.

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Weren’t the finalized scores for some of the prequels hastily chopped up in editing? If I recall, John Williams wrote a letter to Lucas expressing his displeasure at how his music had been chopped up in episode 1. The scores for the original trilogy probably don’t have this problem because the final cut was locked down before Williams started scoring, though some weird edits may still have been introduced from all the special edition tinkering. So given that this is an issue, I can’t imagine that they’d just use the current “film version” of those scores as the isolated score tracks. And going in to smooth out some of the choppiness seems like work…and we all know they won’t bother doing extra work for something like this.

So given the two possibilities that they’d either include the final film versions of the scores for all the movies or not include any at all, I predict it’ll be the latter. Letting us hear the isolated scores will just expose how they were edited from their original compositions. I personally wouldn’t mind it, but I can’t see them releasing something like that.

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Broom Kid said:

That’s why I said “accompanying” it. I know it wasn’t on the disc, but thank you for the correction. Any isolated score inclusion, on-disc or not, that accompanies this set’s release, is welcomed, and would earn my purchase of this set by itself.

I’m still puzzled as to why it wasn’t included on the disc. And frustrated that it wasn’t available at all outside the US! It would be a very cool bonus to have isolated scores on the 9 movies, but as it is something that happens less and less on home video releases…

Han: Hey Lando! You kept your promise, right? Not a scratch?
Lando: Well, what’s left of her isn’t scratched. All the scratched parts got knocked off along the way.
Han (exasperated): Knocked off?!

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theMaestro said:

Weren’t the finalized scores for some of the prequels hastily chopped up in editing? If I recall, John Williams wrote a letter to Lucas expressing his displeasure at how his music had been chopped up in episode 1. The scores for the original trilogy probably don’t have this problem because the final cut was locked down before Williams started scoring, though some weird edits may still have been introduced from all the special edition tinkering. So given that this is an issue, I can’t imagine that they’d just use the current “film version” of those scores as the isolated score tracks. And going in to smooth out some of the choppiness seems like work…and we all know they won’t bother doing extra work for something like this.

So given the two possibilities that they’d either include the final film versions of the scores for all the movies or not include any at all, I predict it’ll be the latter. Letting us hear the isolated scores will just expose how they were edited from their original compositions. I personally wouldn’t mind it, but I can’t see them releasing something like that.

There was some chopping going on in basically every movie but the very first. Return of the Jedi is probably the most cut-up of the scores in the OT (although Empire had its own fair amount of flat-out deleted cues and tracked music), and a huge part of Attack of the Clones’ climax didn’t even have music written for it because I believe Lucas told Williams his intent was to track in Phantom Menace music for most of the Geonosis battle (and some of that tracking doesn’t sound great).

I don’t know that the “Williams sent Lucas a letter” story has any truth to it - it’s one of those “facts” that fans regularly trot out that never has a lot of linking back or validation to follow it up. I find it unlikely mostly because I can’t imagine Williams would have to write him a letter to voice his displeasure, or that if he was THAT displeased that he’d come back for future scores. Williams has no problem walking away from legendary scores if he doesn’t feel like it would be worth his time (Superman, Jaws, Jurassic Park, etc)

I can understand why people would choose to look at the isolated score as “this exposes the editing flaws” but I don’t see that as being their primary utility, nor would it really “expose” the fact the film was edited (there are much more clear, telltale signs of post-production shenanigans than music cuts). The fact is that even though there are obvious cuts and tracking going on in basically every movie to some degree (and some more than others) there are also TONS of cues that have never before seen an official release, and that music doesn’t exist anywhere else. I can’t imagine anyone’s primary concern at Disney re: isolated scores is “but if we release it this way they’ll KNOW WE EDITED THE MOVIE”

Yes, any isolated score wouldn’t be a PERFECT presentation of the unaltered music as Williams initially wrote it, but I also don’t NEED it to be for this. The option to toggle a score-only version of the movie while watching would probably be, for me, the best extra that hasn’t yet been made available for the OT/PT.

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I’m not exactly saying “no unaltered, no sale.” I am saying it would take the unaltered versions for me to spend $250.

I’ll definitely pick up The Rise of Skywalker in 4K when it is released, and I may upgrade individual titles.