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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread — Page 10

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Hal 9000 said:

Here’s some initial ideas from me for an edit:

Maybe remove light speed skipping by ending as they jump the first time, removing TIEs jumping. Or let them jump and we just cut to the next scene. If the former, remove reference to light speed skipping later. However, this would cause a problem as Finn only has one other thing he notices Poe do before referencing all the “shady stuff” he does.

One issue is that references to it are pretty ingrained in Rey, Finn and Poe’s first convo. You could cut the sequence, but maybe they could still reference it and we are left to imagine what it means exactly.

I don’t like “whoever this Chewie person is, this is madness.”

You could just cut the shot, but I was thinking thinking it would be funny if 3PO said something like, “Will you need me to help negotiate?” Then it cuts to them just running in guns blazing.

Seems dumb that once he turns to the Light Side, Kylo doesn’t take advantage of his role as supreme leader. Research of mine indicates that the emperor sensed this and put General Pryde in charge at that point. If a deleted scene is presented to this effect it would be welcome.

I think the convo between Palpatine and Pryde implies that Pryde is taking over for the First Order. I think removing references to a “Final Order” would help make things clearer, though. It feels like there are a lot of references and easy-to-miss details in this movie.

It’d be very nice to somehow link the massive fleet arriving to support the Resistance with the legend of Luke Skywalker, but I’m not sure how. Adding it to the crawl wouldn’t compliment the film up until the end seeming like the Resistance was still pretty much alone.

Do you think it would be possible to downplay lines that the Resistance are alone? Line Poe and Zorri’s convo on Kijimi and the Poe’s motivational speech before they go on their mission?

I think one could successfully remove ‘Rey Palpatine,’ but it would be unusual for me to deviate from the lore to that degree. I don’t like it, but I think I’d be better off accepting it and maybe tweaking TFA and TLJ to fit in better.

To be fair, you are probably well known for having Padme survive, but that is less egregious of a change, admittedly. But I do think they’ll be plenty of Rey Nobody fan-edits, so an edit that makes Rey Palpatine feel more natural is also a great idea. I think adding hints of him to Rey’s vision would be a good start. And cutting out Ren’s line about Rey’s parents “selling her for drinking money”.

Overall, great ideas!

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Hal, I know a big part of your philosophy with your prequel edits was bending them to harmonize with the OT rather than the other way around. Similarly, as someone who quite liked the first two films in the sequel trilogy, my preference would be to bend this film to harmonize with those two better, rather than the other way around. Because of that, I’m all for a removal of Rey Palpatine, although I understand if it’s not something you want to implement in your edits.

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Hal 9000 said:

It’d be very nice to somehow link the massive fleet arriving to support the Resistance with the legend of Luke Skywalker, but I’m not sure how. Adding it to the crawl wouldn’t compliment the film up until the end seeming like the Resistance was still pretty much alone.

This is one of the biggest things from TLJ that was lost in the new film. TLJ built up so well to the moment when Luke is able to become the legend everyone wants him to be, and help respark the rebellion. But in TROS, it doesn’t seem to have had much of an effect. There were so many opportunities when new characters were introduced to say something about hearing of Luke’s sacrifice.

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I’ll certainly play around with things and see how feasible it really is to remove Rey Palpatine, but I expect I’d prefer to leave it as is, being a big story point.

It felt laughable to me in the moment because of the real-world discussion about this stuff for years, but hopefully in a tweaked version of this trilogy we can get to that point without it feeling so.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I dont remember the ending celebration scene but is it in any way possible to remove the homestead scene at the end? Not because I hate nostalgia or whatever, it’s just that WHY DOES REY END THE MOVIE BEING ALONE ??? HER WHOLE CHARACTER IS ABOUT FINDING A FAMILY FOR YOURSELF !!! AND SHE ENDS UP ALONE !!!

im starting to hate this movie !!! theres so much i like but damn !!! i hate so much of it too!!!

god i hope that deleted Rose scene is included in the extras. DAMN i hope there are lots of deleted scenes. I’d even love to see alternate scenes !!!

Also, would cutting Ben’s on screen death work ? Like, they’re there in each other’s arms and then its like, the next scene? And then its the resistance celebration and then there’s like, a shot of Ben leaving? and Luke and Leia’s ghosts are there?

Also I really hate Mark’s performance in this movie ! After Carrie died I feel like he gave up (Also most of his scenes were done in reshoots and he’s got this gross gross wig !) AAAAA!!!

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What Rose scene was deleted snooker?

Also, any speculation on what was changed in the reshoots with Luke?

And if you left Ben dead and Rey alive, I do think it would be better to just end it with Rey, Finn and Poe hugging. Just because the reasons for her going to the homestead feel very forced, otherwise. The only reason for her to go, in my opinion, would be for her to meet Ben there if he were still alive. I guess you need the moment where she calls herself Rey Skywalker if you’re gonna stick with canon.

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I’m not sure I really understand the complaint that she “ends up alone,” which I’ve seen a lot and I don’t think the film supports, but I do get that it seems weird to end the film with just her, considering. They apparently filmed a version with everyone there, I wonder if they’d include that alternate on the BD.

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I feel you. The homestead was touching as a denouement, but you’re right that she should have been with her new family.

The image I had in my head for the end of this trilogy and 9 movie saga was something bigger, grander, more musical than what we got. I just imagined everyone in the Resistance gathered together on some big cliff being joined by the multitudes given hope by Luke, with X-wings and A-wings flying in formation and generally going crazy. Rey on the shoulders of Finn and Poe, her lightsaber raised to the heavens in triumph, John Williams losing his mind with grandiosity.

But no, it’s a somewhat awkward shot of the twin suns for the third time, and a reused piece of music from TFA.

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RogueLeader said:

What Rose scene was deleted snooker?

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Kelly talked about filming scenes with Daisy and how it was nice their energy was. https://www.indiewire.com/2019/12/kelly-marie-tran-rose-rey-star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-1202199220/

Also, any speculation on what was changed in the reshoots with Luke?

According to the leaks of the film from months ago:

Luke’s conversation with Rey is said to be encouraging yet realistically grim in tone. Luke knows first hand what it’s like to face Palpatine and that it’s not an easy task. Rey must confront Palpatine in the same way that Luke once had to confront Vader. Luke encourages Rey by telling her of the faith Leia had in her. She saw the potential within her and hoped that Rey would be able to restore balance to the Force once more just as Anakin once did. Rey supposedly asks to speak to Leia at one point, but Luke responds by telling her that Leia has not yet completed her training and he can not yet feel her distinctive consciousness within the Force. By the end of their conversation, Rey is reenergized for the seemingly insurmountable task that lies ahead of her and agrees to leave the island.

Also: I really hope there’s a version of the ending with Finn and Poe and everyone. Gosh that sounds so nice !!!

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Wow, I would love to see a scene with Rose and Rey! I really hope we get that!!

Is that a Paxis leak? If so, that basically confirms to me that Rey was not a Palpatine was a change in made in reshoots. It is possible that she was, but don’t you think that is the most logical explanation? Unfortunately I highly doubt we will get an alternate version of any scene. I don’t think we’ve ever gotten a pre-reshoot scene.

I think the homestead ending could have worked better or been more interesting if they had made it clearer that it is a binary sunrise and not a sunset (so it is different in that way at least). I know keep pushing this but if you also made it where she was meeting Ben there it would make more sense too.

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It is from Paxis!

Here are some things from those leaks that might be interesting to potential editors:

The series of events in the opening was:

-Rey training on Ajan Kloss
-Ren on Mustafar, where he meets ‘the Oracle’ who gives him the wayfinder
-Finn, Poe, and Chewie get the intel from Boolio on the Ice Asteroid
-Ren arrives at Exegol.
-Falcon arrives on Ajan Kloss

Palpatine had an extended reveal scene where he discussed that he survived his fall, isn’t a clone, and that Rey and Kylo are part of a ‘force dyad.’

Chewie being alive wasn’t revealed until the main characters find out.

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I thought it was pretty clear it was a binary sunrise, personally. It’s funny, I had a similar thought as Nev as to what the final shot would be. I figured sticking the lightsaber in the air was iconic Star Wars but never seen in the films, so it’d work perfectly with the picture perfect ending convention.

Oddly enough, they actually did decide to evoke a poster, but instead the TFA IMAX poster.

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I believe he/she also said the movie opened with the Luke and Leia flashback at some point, which would then transition to Leia watching Rey train.

Ugh, I can’t believe they changed it… But thank the Force that they left in a few mentions of the Force dyad still.

Regarding Palpatine’s survival, this is kind of how I picture his it: The blue energy at the end of ROTJ was Palpy’s spirit, and a fragment of his spirit latched onto Vader’s helmet (I think Charles Soule’s comic was meant to hint at this). At some point Sith cultists collected the helmet and the Emperor’s broken body from the wreckage of the Death Star and his spirit then repossessed his own rotting corpse, like a lich. This is why Palpatine was able to speak to Kylo through the helmet and through his own puppet, Snoke.

I like to think Snoke may have been clone bodies leftover by his master, Plagueis, that Sidious then used for his own purposes. He could’ve just been a homunculus, though. Not even sure how that could be tied in. But it would be a fun way to confirm those theories true, from a certain point of view!

Maybe the Sith Uber-spirit was trying to figure out a way to possess a clone of himself (and cut out the need for an apprentice), but maybe a clone was never enough to maintain the Sith spirit, which is why Palpatine had to repossess his own body, and Plagueis’ leftover experiments were then just reused as a puppet by Sidious.

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RogueLeader said:

I believe he/she also said the movie opened with the Luke and Leia flashback at some point, which would then transition to Leia watching Rey train.

I think it’s still possible to edit it that way provided we extend some scenes, have the crawl pan down to luke and leia training with added sound affects and just when they lift up their visors we cut to Rey taking off her helmet during her training montage.

Ugh, I can’t believe they changed it… But thank the Force that they left in a few mentions of the Force dyad still.

Yeah that was hinted at by Snoke in the TLJ and according to the early Paxis leaks Palpatine new all along about the Dyad , he originally told kylo to bring Rey alive so that they can inherit his thrown as emperor and empress after he dies with the intention obviously to suck the life out of them once they come together.

I like to think Snoke may have been clone bodies leftover by his master, Plagueis, that Sidious then used for his own purposes. He could’ve just been a homunculus, though. Not even sure how that could be tied in. But it would be a fun way to confirm those theories true, from a certain point of view!

I really like the idea of Palpatine using his Master as a pawn in a twisted form of revenge.
Ironic.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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I’ve been scrubbing through my infallible photographic memory to work out how egregiously Rey Palpatine was added in, prompted by a quote I saw from Oscar Isaac saying the cast didn’t know Rey’s lineage during filming. Kylo first reveals it to Rey through easily dubbed mask dialogue, and then in the next scene Rey then says she’s going to destroy Palpatine because he “killed her mother and her father” - no mention of him being her granddad. Unmasked Kylo says “the dark side is in our nature” but you can easily read that line as not being a Rey Palpatine reference (I’m assuming that the pre-reshoots/last-minute-edits version of the plot still featured Rey prominently struggling with the dark side, just without the explicit Palpatine lineage). It isn’t until the scene with force ghost Wig Skywalker that anyone actually uses real filmed lip movements to reference Rey Palpatine. (Unfortunately, we’ll never get the pre-reshoots version of this scene so we’ll just have to cut it from the movie, won’t we.) It looks like the real Skellig Michael (rather than a greenscreen composite) to my eyes. Palpatine says “my grandchild” with his lips and everything - there’s some speculation that McDiarmid’s role was expanded in reshoots, right, because early leaks suggested Matt Smith was involved in the Palpatine role. I don’t know if this is evidence for or against that. I’d love to one day get in depth information about the production of this trilogy, but Disney probably has rock solid NDAs on anything fun.

Rey says she won’t hate Palpatine, but then she beats him by blowing him up with lightning.

Every scene with Kylo Ben Ren Solo in is the greatest. I love his little ESB-style hop down on the DS2. Just supercut every Adam Driver scene in the trilogy together to create the ultimate ST edit. I hope we get more Sen Bolo in deleted scenes. If JJ is feeling extra generous, perhaps some post-Bendemption dialogue (or at least whatever Rey says to him at the end).

“Leia sensed the death of her son at the end of her Jedi path” is the absolute worst. Her son dies anyway lol. Can’t wait for the ROTJ-TFA Filoni animated series to retcon this into something less low effort.

Why does Sidious call Leia the Princess of Alderaan when talking to Pryde? Has he forgotten his Empire blew that planet up ~35 years ago? Is this supposed to be fanservice? I’d like to cut most of the dialogue in that scene, and the detonation of Kijimi (it and the ‘final order’ are completely unnecessary), but then there’s not much of a way left to imply Pryde is now in charge…

Can the tower be cut from the Exegol space battle? It’s unnecessary and the last thing the movie needs is weird complications like that. My Dad never even picked up on the navigation signal being switched away since they make such a big deal of the tower. You’d lose Finn’s ‘feeling’ but it’s no huge loss since it’s not like Finn’s force sensitivity is going to come up in Episode 10, is it.

I think my problem with this movie is I just can’t buy in. As stupid as the prequels can be, I still manage to get immersed in those movies. I think the problem here is a combination of the fast pace and the absurd storyline. I’m sure we’ll fix it.

Sorry for the disorganised thoughts. I had a point when I started typing, I think: Only the Luke and Palpatine scenes ever use real lip movements to reference Rey Palpatine; Finn, Poe etc. never mention it. So it was feasibly added in reshoots - but we probably already knew that.

Lots of Star Wars films have interesting reshoots, don’t they? ROTS’s inconsistent Anakin, Ewan’s fake beard in AOTC, rumours that TLJ originally had Crait earlier in the film, TFA’s switch from having Anakin’s saber be the MacGuffin to having the map, etc.

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While refraining from posting TRoS spoilers on Adywan’s ANHR thread, I’d like to see Alderaan destroyed kinda like how we saw the planetary destruction of Kijimi.

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sade1212 said:

“Leia sensed the death of her son at the end of her Jedi path” is the absolute worst. Her son dies anyway lol. Can’t wait for the ROTJ-TFA Filoni animated series to retcon this into something less low effort.

That line felt so contrived, changing it to “Leia sensed the BIRTH of her son” would make a lot more sense as to why she would quit being a Jedi.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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FVDnz said:

While refraining from posting TRoS spoilers on Adywan’s ANHR thread, I’d like to see Alderaan destroyed kinda like how we saw the planetary destruction of Kijimi.

I was actually thinking of the same thing…

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I agree that “Leia sensed her son would die BUT she also sensed someone else would carry on her mission for her”. Like, what? I dunno man, just feels so convoluted.

If we change Kylo Ren’s dialogue to remove Rey Palpatine (and potentially stuff about her parents dying for her), I’ve been thinking about what kind of dialogue we could add. Obviously, as others have said, Kylo dialogue from games and other sources would help. I also wonder if we could take Adam Driver dialogue from other films and add the mask modulation effect. This might sound weird, but I wonder if we could give Kylo dialogue that sounds a bit more, uh, romantic. It just seem some people were kind of surprised by the kiss, like they weren’t expecting it. But maybe if there was more set up, then the kiss would feel more like a payoff by the end of it.

Both Han and Leia as well as Anakin and Padmé blatantly talk about their feelings for each other, whereas Rey and Ben’s dialogue could be interpreted to be romantic or platonic, it seems. Also, we never get a consistent love theme for them either, like Across the Stars or the Scoundrel and the Princess. When they kiss we only get what I think is a fusion of their themes. But music kind of primes people for the romance in other trilogies, but we don’t get a consistent “love” theme throughout this film.

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Just finished watching TROS. It was a lot to take in, but two things stood out to me above everything else. The first is obviously that Palpatine is back and plays a major role in the story. I suppose one could try to edit that out, but if it’s kept in it seems to me that this information should have been revealed sooner, perhaps at the end of TLJ. Also, the revelation that Leia completed her Jedi training needed to be revealed a long time ago, and not in some comic or cartoon, but in TFA or TLJ.