You all do realize that Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Anthony Daniels, Kenny Baker, Peter Mayhew, etc. are going to, I dunno, get old and die and stuff, right?
All this talk of sidelining OT characters, do you think these people are going to live forever and keep reprising these roles?
'cause three on my list have died already.
If you want more and new Star Wars you’re going to have to make your peace with new characters, new story lines, new actors, new stories.
regularjoe said:
All this talk of sidelining OT characters, do you think these people are going to live forever and keep reprising these roles?
If you want more and new Star Wars you’re going to have to make your peace with new characters, new story lines, new actors, new stories.
I was totally on board with Rey, for example. Very excited in fact. But just because I initially liked her character in TFA doesn’t automatically mean I’m happy with how they handled her and basically every character in this ST thus far. Who knows, maybe TROS will magically make me appreciate what they’ve been trying to do all along, but seems highly unlikely. It’s not so much having to make “peace” with the new stuff, I’m all for new stuff. It’s more so that in a lot of our eyes, they are squandering both old and new characters. Thus it all falls apart.
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Your_friendly_Imperial said:
-Hyperspace was a separate dimension which did not directly interact with Real Space“Traveling through hyperspace ain’t like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that’d end your trip real quick, wouldn’t it?”
That has wide lattitude for interpretation. All he’s saying here is that there is some interaction between Hyperspace and stellar objects. In fact, if you took his statement literally the only way a Falcon-sized ship could fly directly through a star would be if the Falcon was only indirectly interacting with that object, otherwise the Falcon would be incinerated in the corona.
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Once we’re out of what is now being called ‘The Skywalker Saga,’ I think there’ll be significantly less pressure on everything to be great.
Once we’re out of what is now being called ‘The Skywalker Saga,’ I think there’ll be significantly less pressure on everything to be great.
I hope so, but even now it seems people are passing judgement on The Mandalorian based off whether or not it feels like Star Wars.
That may have to do with some of the timeline business, once we go outer rim or to a time where we have Jedi far enough in the past to be removed from the Jedi Order of the prequels there will be less comparisons…maybe.
“The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.” - DV
“Feeling” is important.
I come from Star Trek (with multiple movies, alternate universes and series) so yes, I’m familiar with some things feeling right and others don’t.
But that’s to be expected as they try new stuff. And you need to new things to keep the franchise going.
The key is to appreciate it as best as possible and don’t’ overthink it. Afterall, it’s supposed to be a fun adventure.
If you want more and new Star Wars you’re going to have to make your peace with new characters, new story lines, new actors, new stories.
No “if” about it; I don’t. In fact, I wish it were possible to retroactively make less Star Wars crap.
If you want more and new Star Wars you’re going to have to make your peace with new characters, new story lines, new actors, new stories.
No “if” about it; I don’t. In fact, I wish it were possible to retroactively make less Star Wars crap.
Not really related to the thread, but as much as like all the movies, I think it would be cool to do a “Revenge of the Jedi” edit that acts as the final Star Wars movie ever, in some alternate universe. Han dies, Leia isn’t Luke’s sister, etc.
If you want more and new Star Wars you’re going to have to make your peace with new characters, new story lines, new actors, new stories.
No “if” about it; I don’t. In fact, I wish it were possible to retroactively make less Star Wars crap.
Not really related to the thread, but as much as like all the movies, I think it would be cool to do a “Revenge of the Jedi” edit that acts as the final Star Wars movie ever, in some alternate universe. Han dies, Leia isn’t Luke’s sister, etc.
I’d really like to see that.
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If you want more and new Star Wars you’re going to have to make your peace with new characters, new story lines, new actors, new stories.
No “if” about it; I don’t. In fact, I wish it were possible to retroactively make less Star Wars crap.
How is it that by making the ST, or the PT, or heck even Empire Strikes Back has Lucasfilm “ruined” Star Wars 1977?
The way I see it, every piece of Star Wars media is an opportunity. Either you like it or you don’t. If you don’t, you can forget about it’s existence, and go back to what you like.
While I want to agree wholeheartedly with this sentiment, it is also true that most Star Wars media builds on and references what came before, so if for example you dislike the return of Maul from Clone Wars but like Solo, the presence of Maul in Solo rather taints the experience.
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If you want more and new Star Wars you’re going to have to make your peace with new characters, new story lines, new actors, new stories.
No “if” about it; I don’t. In fact, I wish it were possible to retroactively make less Star Wars crap.
How is it that by making the ST, or the PT, or heck even Empire Strikes Back has Lucasfilm “ruined” Star Wars 1977?
The way I see it, every piece of Star Wars media is an opportunity. Either you like it or you don’t. If you don’t, you can forget about it’s existence, and go back to what you like.
I’ve made that attempt. It’d be easy if I only had to ignore the PT & ST, but I also thoroughly dislike ROTJ. It’s kinda difficult to get a satisfying experience watching SW '77 & TESB alone without a satisfying final chapter to conclude the story.
As it stands, I view the entire SW franchise as a jigsaw puzzle with several pieces either missing or hopelessly damaged. It’s worthless as-is, but it’s components can be repurposed to create something worthwhile. My avant-garde sculpture remains a work in progress.
In all seriousness, what would you change about ROTJ if you could? I like hearing your perspective!
DuracellEnergizer said:
It’s kinda difficult to get a satisfying experience watching SW '77 & TESB alone without a satisfying final chapter to conclude the story.
I don’t think it’s that hard at all, especially considering the sheer wealth of other options to entertain yourself at any given second.
For example, I get a very satisfying experience only watching a few Alien movies and not all of them. I own all the Bond films because they came in a box set one christmas but there’s nothing unsatisfying about only really having watched about 5 or 6 of them since I got it. Same with Godzilla movies, and Rocky movies, and X-Men movies, etc. Terminator movies, my goodness, there’s a great example. Star Trek, of course. Hell, I more or less stop at the third Harry Potter despite knowing there’s about 500 miles to go before the actual ending.
There’s nothing wrong with calling it a day on a film series (or TV show, or book quadrilogy or whatever) you don’t like anymore and effectively just… leaving it alone at the point it stopped working on a consistent basis, and moving onto almost anything else. This is why I don’t have any Hobbit movies, for example. I only have two Spider-Man movies (Spider-Man 2 and Into the Spider-Verse) in my collection. My Marvel films actually SEEN (or owned) account for less than 1/6th of the studios’ total output (if that - I’m not good at math). I know that The Walking Dead is still on the air but I know almost nothing about what’s been happening because after the 2nd season and whatever its cliffhanger was I decided I didn’t need to continue on, that it wasn’t going to get any better. Same with Game of Thrones (bailed out in Season 4) and The Dark Tower books (book 3, I think?). In fact it could be argued that checking out ANYTHING else once you’ve run into the same wall of dissatisfaction repeatedly is a much healthier use of time, instead of consistently going back to a thing you now mostly dislike in the hopes you’ll MAYBE like it again, the way you only have twice, in a time long, long ago.
Ultimately, it’s just movies. There’s a million more of them out there. Granted, not all of them have space wizards and lazer-swords. But at some point you have to wonder if its worth all the time and effort to keep hanging around a party when you don’t like the hosts, or the hors d’ouvres, or the DJ’s selections, or the beer in the fridge. There’s always another party.
Like the thing you like for what it is, not what it could be. And when it stops being the thing you like, you are under no responsibility to stick around anymore. You have no duty to support fiction that consistently isn’t speaking to you anymore. The thing you DID like will still be what it was, and you can come back to it whenever if you’re nostalgic for that specific feeling.
Thankfully, in this case, there are people making sure the exact version of the thing we do like is available to watch in HD. Which is a low-key miracle in multiple ways.
In all seriousness, what would you change about ROTJ if you could? I like hearing your perspective!
Wouldn’t it be kind of odd to have Luke not involved with rescuing Han? I like most of your ideas, but that one in particular stood out as a sore thumb. I mean, in a way, I could imagine Leia telling Luke he has a bigger responsibility to finish his training. And I do like the idea of Leia being more involved in the operation.
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Mike Zeroh’s name is quite fitting. Why do people keep watching his videos?
I find his videos entertaining and amusing. I don’t think he knows a fraction of what he pretends to. But it is fun to see what leaps he makes from sketchy leaks.
However - Lucas DID basically whip up Empire Strikes Back’s story/structure more or less all by himself once Brackett was gone. Kasdan contributed heavily, yes, but by the time he came on the bones of the thing were firmly in place. But on the other hand: The most famous twist of all time, probably, and the one that basically doomed Star Wars to forever be taken way more seriously than it ever really needed to, and trained its biggest fans to expect twists and turns and huge surprises in every chapter despite the fact it’s ALWAYS been a straightforward fairy-tale other than THAT ONE TIME… that twist was basically pulled out of his backside at the last second before shooting started. It wasn’t a deeply considered, thought-out idea. It was just a hand grenade tossed at the end of the story to create one hell of a cliffhanger for the next chapter.
Right, I think Lucas is a pretty good “big picture” guy, but when it comes to screenwriting and directing most of his work comes off sooooo flat. That’s why Star Wars 1977 is so perplexing. It’s the exception to the rule. It’s funny and emotional and when you watch it you think, “this guy wrote and directed the prequels?”
It isn’t surprising when you realize how many people Lucas had read that first script. Some very famous names. Brian Depalma, Stephen Spielberg, Francis Ford Coppola, and others. They all had input. That input is why the Toche station scenes were written (not Lucas’s original idea and they were only filmed because nothing else was ready to shoot). So the original film had a LOT of outside input. Bracket and Kasdan made the TESB script (the story was Lucas’s from day one) and Kasdan did the same for ROTJ. TESB is what it is because of the unique combination of talent. That was Lucas’s problem with the PT, he wrote and directed all of them himself. His flaws showed through. While AOTC had a credited writer with Lucas, it turned out the worst. He lacked the talented writers to bring his story to life and the right director to finish the job.
One of the biggest problems with the ST is that there was no “big picture” going into it. And it’s definitely been a detriment to the series. No matter how much you like TFA and TLJ as individual films (I think they work pretty well separately), there is very little narrative continuity between the two. And the way TLJ ended, there’s unlikely to be much narrative continuity with Episode IX either. The ST desperately needed a “big picture”, but I’m not so sure George Lucas would have been the right man to do it.
I’m not sure we are in a position to see if it has a big picture or not. It took a while for fans to realize the big picture of the PT was the rise of Palpatine. It was a bit too subtle in the PT until they reached the end. I think and hope the ST will have a similar big picture in the final film that will tie the others in.
Does this contain any new bits? https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1196842344961544198
Quite a few, actually.
Wouldn’t it be kind of odd to have Luke not involved with rescuing Han? I like most of your ideas, but that one in particular stood out as a sore thumb. I mean, in a way, I could imagine Leia telling Luke he has a bigger responsibility to finish his training. And I do like the idea of Leia being more involved in the operation.
It’s certainly not perfect, no. Between shortening the sequence and giving Leia a more active role, I couldn’t see where to fit Luke in.
Bunch of new photos here too
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and a new poster
The TV Spots have begun. This is a non-cropped version of the Twitter ad.
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