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been keeping up with this project for a while and extremely excited for it to finish. Id figure id give suggestion, i read about the final battle with Rey and Kylo. If at all possible the fight should cut short before Rey beats kylo. In no way should he be able to beat him, but the dark saber vision you wanted to do could still play a role. Right after she taps into it the ground should collapse around them like in OG fight ending with a cut back to Kylo looking at Rey from the other side (using A shot of him standing up from earlier in the fight) that we could see that in some way Rey is powerful and strong with the force but she wouldnt completely destroy Kylo with no training because the fight would be cut short in order for the TLJ to show how she taps into the power of the saber and learn to use it. Open to suggestion but just thought id give an idea

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So how would Kylo get his facial scar in your “Rey doesn’t beat Kylo” version?

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ChainsawAsh said:

So how would Kylo get his facial scar in your “Rey doesn’t beat Kylo” version?

Well thats the thing lol, still trying to think about that. You could easily cut the scene where he has it in TFA right after she cuts him by cutting the scene, but in TLJ the droids are patching him, so i mean maybe you could cut around that scene in TLJ with audio manipulation or something… like i said im open to suggestions, how would you think about going about it?

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I wouldn’t because I have no issue with Rey beating Kylo in TFA.

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ChainsawAsh said:

I wouldn’t because I have no issue with Rey beating Kylo in TFA.

oh yeah i can completely understand that, i dont really have a problem with it either. However after watching the D23 tease and seeing the scene where Rey and Kylo are battling on the Death Star II it gave me the idea for this. in TFA (in this edit atleast) we would see Rey tap into the power of the saber and the force, but just barley. In TLJ we see in the Throne Room that Kylo and Rey are basically evenly matched after her training with Luke. So in doing that, in my opinion at least, when we see her battle Kylo in TROS it would show how much shes grown from Starkiller (as Kylo said “Shes only begging test her power”) to until now (She will have mastered her power)

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I’m sure Nev will eventually chime in but I don’t think there really is a way to achieve this exactly, especially because of the scar issue like you mentioned. I think you could either just make Rey scarring Kylo happen quickly after she connects with the Force. Or, just find ways to emphasize Kylo’s injuries more, to clearly express that Kylo isn’t at the top of his game when he fights Rey.

Nev I think is also approaching it like Rey is tapping into the dark side to get the edge over him, so she beats him, but it is sort of ominous because we know that she is on a precarious edge. She has yet to learn how to differentiate the light and the dark, which would raise the stakes for her to learn from Luke.

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ChainsawAsh said:

So how would Kylo get his facial scar in your “Rey doesn’t beat Kylo” version?

Have him get his scar when Snoke strikes him with Force lightning in The Last Jedi.

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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FreezingTNT2 said:

ChainsawAsh said:

So how would Kylo get his facial scar in your “Rey doesn’t beat Kylo” version?

Have him get his scar when Snoke strikes him with Force lightning in The Last Jedi.

Oh good point actually, that might just work somehow.

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RogueLeader said:

I’m sure Nev will eventually chime in but I don’t think there really is a way to achieve this exactly, especially because of the scar issue like you mentioned. I think you could either just make Rey scarring Kylo happen quickly after she connects with the Force. Or, just find ways to emphasize Kylo’s injuries more, to clearly express that Kylo isn’t at the top of his game when he fights Rey.

Nev I think is also approaching it like Rey is tapping into the dark side to get the edge over him, so she beats him, but it is sort of ominous because we know that she is on a precarious edge. She has yet to learn how to differentiate the light and the dark, which would raise the stakes for her to learn from Luke.

This is exactly right, and somewhere I did a mockup of the traumas of her past bubbling up when she draws on the Force. To this add the sinister whispers I added to Rey shooting the Stormtrooper at Maz’s castle and her successful escape attempt, and it should serve as a fully-developed concept. Rey is being seduced by the Dark Side, even if she doesn’t recognize this easy power.

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I think another reason this approach works well is because it stills leaves the question open regarding if she would be able to beat Kylo without tapping into the dark side. So for people who ask, “Where is the tension with their duel in IX if Rey already beat Kylo in VII?”, I think it helps address that issue.

Though to be fair, when Vader and Luke had a rematch in ROTJ, did anyone really ask, “Where is the tension in Return if Vader already beat Luke in Empire?” I know the situations were different, but just because Fighter A defeated Fighter B in their first match, that doesn’t mean Fighter A will win every time they have a rematch. That’s what makes rematches fun to watch. Maybe it is just weird to us because we’re used to the formula of the hero losing the first fight, THEN winning the last fight. Since we know that formula, I think that is why some people feel the outcome is predictable, but adding the idea that Rey won their first duel by using the dark side helps makes their rematch more interesting because we know, as a Jedi, she has to beat him without it now.

Regardless, the theatrical film already gives off the vibe that Rey is pretty angry when she knocks Kylo down, so you might as well lean into that and demonstrate how the dark side is the “quick and easy path”, which is exactly how a lot of Rey critics would describe her capabilities.

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A noticeable difference, Nev! It looks much much better. Man, I wish D’Qar wasn’t overcast in so many of its exterior scenes. It’d be great to get that ring in the sky as much as possible.

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Not sure what the current status on your Snoke scenes are, but I had some ideas for them.

As it has been said in the past, it is strange for Kylo and Hux to return to Starkiller in the middle of their hunt for the droid. It is hard to keep both scenes while maintaining that logic, but I think there is a way to have two separate scenes though and have them both placed after Kylo Ren has captured Rey.

First, the initial Snoke scene could be placed where the Rey interrogation is in the theatrical version. I know most people prefer cutting the Snoke reference from Han and Lela’s conversation, but it would be a little appropriate to hear this brought up right before we are introduced to him for the first time. I’ll share the script for this edited scene and go into it more.

Snoke Scene 1-

EST. - TIE Fighters fly toward Starkiller Base.

Hux (line from scene 2): [starts on est. shot] Ren believed that the girl was all we needed. As a result, the droid has most likely returned to the hands of the enemy. [Over CU of Kylo looking up at Snoke] They may have the map already.

[a helmeted masked-Kylo head will be needed to replace unmasked-Kylo in one shot, as well as back of head in another]

Snoke: Leading them to the last Jedi. If Skywalker returns…

Hux: Supreme Leader I- (maybe have Hux interrupt before we get Snoke’s big close-up, “the new Jedi will rise")

Snoke: GENERAL! (I’m trying to keep this because he sits down later, so we need to see him stand up for continuity.)

Hux winces [start the following Snoke dialogue during this shot-maybe slow down shot slightly]

Snoke (line from scene 2): [Then] the Resistance must be destroyed before they reach Skywalker.

Hux: The weapon. It is ready. etc. etc.

Scene continues as is, but cut out “The droid we seek is aboard the Millennium Falcon, in the hands of”. He just says…

Snoke: There’s something more. [cut to Kylo] Your father… [cut to Snoke] Han Solo. (We already know this fact by this point)

Scene concludes as-is.

First of all, the scene works better here because “the awakening” is now more clearly when Rey touches the saber, which now takes place before this scene.

What else I like about this scene is that the discussion on Han is a little recontectualized in this situation. Did Snoke hear that he came close to encountering Han on his mission? Could he sense Kylo’s feelings? What test is Snoke referring to exactly? Now that Han is involved in this quest for Skywalker, is this resurfacing a test Snoke once put before him to prove that he could do what Vader could not, an inevitable choice he knew he would eventually have to make?

This fear of being seduced by the light ties into his anxiety Rey senses during the interrogation we’ll see in Kylo’s following scene, that he’ll never be as strong as Vader was.

Snoke Scene 2 -

Snoke: The scavenger resisted you??

Kylo: She’s strong with the Force. Untrained but stronger than she knows.

Snoke (from scene 1): Our strategy must now change.

Kylo: Supreme Leader I can get the map from the girl. I just need your guidance.

(mask out Hux walking away)

Snoke: If what you say about this girl is true, bring her to me.

Pretty straightforward. Basically just swapping out a line and cutting out Hux. Now this scene does just enough to serve its purpose. Anyway, just some thoughts.

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Good ideas! That restructuring was one I hadn’t considered, but it does make sense. My current scene placement is for the first to serve as a break between the Falcon map scene and the Falcon’s arrival at Takodana, and the second scene to happen directly before 3PO informs Leia of the incomplete nature of the map.

My rationale for keeping this placement is that while pushing the reveal of Snoke back to practically act 3 is good from a logistical perspective, this also pushes back the on-screen introduction of the Starkiller until after it is discussed by Poe, Finn, and Leia. They discuss it as if it has been introduced, after all. I suppose the same can be said for Snoke as well - elements like the Emperor 2.0 and Death Star 3.0 should be established early to set expectations, otherwise the final third of the movie feels much more derivative due to backloading it with these bog standard threats.

But still, I do like what you’ve suggested.

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That is a really good point! I think this battle between logic and story is one we’ve discussed quite a bit before. In this case I do think you’re right that it is probably better for the story to be introduced to these things earlier on to set the groundwork for act 3.

Another little thing I think would be a nice, but not necessary, consideration would be to add a quick OS First Order line where they specifically mention Hosnian Prime/System, since it never gets mentioned in this version. Just something simple, like, “Targeting Hosnian Prime”, during one of the First Order control room scenes would be enough to where the Republic capital is stated as not being Coruscant in the film itself.

I hope I’m not bombarding you with ideas. My new commute is a pretty long one, so it gives a bit of time to think! I certainly want to concentrate on giving you feedback regarding whatever your current focus is.

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I appreciate all the ideas, though I’m getting to the point where I’m fairly happy with the overall structure and changelist. I’m continually implementing small changes as they come, but If V1 of the project is going to get released any time soon, I’ll need to start finalizing the changes that are already made. That isn’t to say that radical ideas are unwelcome, but I probably won’t include any more in this release.

To that end, the biggest changes to be made are now the instances of voice acting. There are several scenes so far that need voice work:

Male Stormtrooper (TR-8R) - Finn’s fight scene on Takodana - Several lines establishing the trooper’s history with Finn and his mercy when ordered to bring him in, now turned to betrayal as Finn has taken up arms against his comrades. Intended to reveal the fanaticism of the average trooper while retaining the humanity which remains buried under decades of violent programming.

Resistance Officer (any gender)(off-screen) - Resistance Starkiller Briefing - One line to replace Snap’s muffled line ‘Any word from the Republic?’, to which Leia replies ‘No’.

Female First Order Officer - 15 minute Starkiller update - One line changed from ‘Weapon charged in 15 minutes’ to ‘Silent alarm triggered in area 47’ to show that Phasma still retains some loyalty to the First Order.

I like your idea about the Hosnian system, so:

Female First Order Officer - Weapon charging shot - change line from ‘weapon charging’ to ‘Targeting Hosnian system’ or add new line from off-screen to that effect.

JEDIT: The Hosnian system could be mentioned in the Starkiller briefing: ‘Any word from the Hosnian Senate?’ 3PO’s ‘Without the Republic fleet we’re doomed!’ line would clarify that this is referring to the the Republic itself.

I have no experience with voice work, so I need to reach out to people in the community who wouldn’t mind helping out in this regard but I really don’t know where to start. If anyone has any ideas or thinks they could do these lines, please let me know!

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That’s good to hear! Starlight already has a lot of radical ideas that you’ve figured out how to actually work, and I also think you’ve gotten to a good point with it.

The only other significant addition I’d thought of was letting Rey have a very brief dream/vision of the island before she jolts awake in the interrogation room. Since Rey has her bigger dream at the end of Starlight, it might be a nice way to prime the viewer for that moment. It also ties in with Kylo “seeing the island”, and Rey saying she saw the island “in dreams”. It could literally just be one shot of the island.

That idea for giving TR-8R lines is a GREAT idea! I don’t think I’ve heard anyone suggest that before. The scene is weirdly silent, no dialogue or music, so I think dialogue would work well there!

I might be able to grab a voice actor friend who can help with the male lines, and I have audio recording equipment. I think the female First Order Officer would work better if they had an English accent. Maybe we could write up a line list or something.

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RogueLeader said:

That’s good to hear! Starlight already has a lot of radical ideas that you’ve figured out how to actually work, and I also think you’ve gotten to a good point with it.

The only other significant addition I’d thought of was letting Rey have a very brief dream/vision of the island before she jolts awake in the interrogation room. Since Rey has her bigger dream at the end of Starlight, it might be a nice way to prime the viewer for that moment. It also ties in with Kylo “seeing the island”, and Rey saying she saw the island “in dreams”. It could literally just be one shot of the island.

That would be beneficial, I’ll keep working on it.

That idea for giving TR-8R lines is a GREAT idea! I don’t think I’ve heard anyone suggest that before. The scene is weirdly silent, no dialogue or music, so I think dialogue would work well there!

It’s an idea I’ve had for a while but it might have gotten lost in the shuffle until now.

I might be able to grab a voice actor friend who can help with the male lines, and I have audio recording equipment. I think the female First Order Officer would work better if they had an English accent. Maybe we could write up a line list or something.

Sounds good! Hopefully the new lines don’t go through as many revisions as the crawl 😉

Speaking of, I’ve been hard at work on recreating the original '77 crawl font, and though I’ve had to guess on some characters it’s basically complete. Here it is in purple overlaid with the original crawl:

https://vimeo.com/359372926

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Speaking of, I’ve been hard at work on recreating the original '77 crawl font, and though I’ve had to guess on some characters it’s basically complete. Here it is in purple overlaid with the original crawl:

https://vimeo.com/359372926

Password: fanedit

That looks pretty damn close. Nice work.

I think the crawl is certainly going to be pretty important here and I would anticipate a lot more feedback on what it should say. Going back a few posts on this thread, I really liked the spirit of Dr. Krogshöj’s write up in that it includes some additional information about the political state of the galaxy. However, I think it’s actually a little too political.

So I wrote up a version previously (which I’ve since edited slightly here) and included some of your phrasing you mentioned in another post (particularly in the third paragraph).

So without further ado, here is my take on what the crawl should look like:

Luke Skywalker has vanished.
In his absence, the fledgling
REPUBLIC has been threatened
by the sinister FIRST ORDER,
born from ashes of the Empire.

Lead by a mysterious shadow,
this faction of evil grows
quickly, annihilating all in
its path until Skywalker, the
last Jedi, has been destroyed.

Determined to defend the
vulnerable Republic, a small
RESISTANCE is desperate to
find Luke and request his help
in defeating the darkness that
spreads across the stars . . . .

I like this because:

  1. It gives some background on the First Order growing quickly
  2. It describes the First Order as a “faction,” implying that they’re still a smaller (but growing) threat
  3. It indicates the First Order is lead by something mysterious (aka Snoke)
  4. It helps to describe some of the political state of the galaxy without going overboard
  5. It describes the Republic as “fledgling” (like a young bird learning to fly) and “vulnerable” (which might explain why the Republic fleet doesn’t join the Resistance’s fight sooner)
  6. It doesn’t mention Leia in the final paragraph, making her reveal more surprising
  7. The “darkness spreading across the stars” is a tongue-in-cheek reference to Starkiller base, sucking life out of stars
  8. “Across the stars” just sounds cool but also its the name of John Williams’ theme from Attack of the Clones
  9. It’s also fairly short and fits within the same approximate word count as the other crawls (75 words)

I hope some of this helps you identify the direction the crawl should go!

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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Can I ask, how did you go about matching the font? What key words would I Google to look this up? Or is there a good YouTube video to watch?

Short answer is that I used Fontforge and altered a generic NewsGothic Bold font as a starting point. Fontforge isn’t the most intuitive program, but I figured out enough to hack the crawl in a day or two with some googling.

The more involved answer is that I used the camera in After Effects to get a view of the 4K77 crawl in which the letters were no longer distorted. From that render, I took still images of each line as it appeared.

https://imgur.com/HuVf6ry

Then I sharpened each line considerably to get more visible edges.

https://imgur.com/a/psqFSrO

Then isolated the individual letters in Photoshop.

https://imgur.com/a/2ezvF4s

And greyed them out/lightened them so that the Fontforge letterforms would be visible above them

https://imgur.com/a/PzZFGvE

After that it was a process of editing each of the basic letters in Fontforge to match the images, and guessing whenever I ran into a character that had no reference in the original crawl. After rendering the font and installing it, I could try to match the crawl in After Effects. It took about a dozen attempts to get the kerning right for each letter, but eventually the individual words in the crawl could be matched with no letter-by-letter kerning adjustments. Of course, each line had a different overall letter and word spacing due to the fully justified nature of a Star Wars crawl.

I found this helpful when working on it, but I’ll admit that I skipped many steps that would be necessary for a robust polished font: http://designwithfontforge.com/en-US/index.html

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RogueLeader said:

Nev, I had a thought regarding how you wanted to have BB-8 not reveal/know the location of the Resistance base (for very fair plot and character reasons). I lamented the loss of BB-8’s cutest moments, but I think there might be another way to keep them.

https://vimeo.com/354551657

I know my “I’ll drop you off at Panima Terminal” sounds bad, but it is just a rough idea. Both of the moments are obviously recontextualized, and may not be as funny as their theatrical counterparts, but I think it would be a fair compromise between keeping some of that humor that makes BB-8 endearing, but also retaining the logic that you’re trying to preserve. I also kept Finn’s line about needing to get out of this system because I felt it flowed better into Rey’s line. Yes, they do jump to hyperspace in your version, but they were only in hyperspace for a minute or less, so it is probably that they are on the outskirts of that system at the very least. Because of how they fell out of hyperspace, I don’t think it will confuse the audience.

I’ve been working on this scene some more, taking into consideration your concept, and here’s what it looks like:
JEDIT: replaced with version sans ‘cute boyfriend’ dialogue:

https://vimeo.com/360410793

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I’ve opted to keep Finn’s goading of BB-8 to make clear that the droid refuses to betray the Resistance, and Rey just moves on without the information and makes her own plans.

I absolutely love your placement of the BB-8 head turns, so I’ve shamelessly stolen it 😃 Focusing on BB-8 here makes the exchange much more funny. Added to this is the ‘thumbs up’ to show that the two can be friends despite Finn’s revelation.

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