George is the common element of every good movie he was involved in.
He’s also the common and often controlling element of many bad films in which he’s involved.
George is the common element of every good movie he was involved in.
He’s also the common and often controlling element of many bad films in which he’s involved.
He hasn’t made a bad film other than Red Tails, which he didn’t even direct.
The closest to bad would be Episode 2, but it’s still far less narratively incoherent than Kasdan’s Episode 7.
The closest to bad would be Episode 2, but it’s still far less narratively incoherent than Kasdan’s Episode 7.
I have to disagree with that. Episode 7 is derivative and forced, but it has a much more coherent narrative than the mess that is Episode 2.
My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX
The closest to bad would be Episode 2, but it’s still far less narratively incoherent than Kasdan’s Episode 7.
I have to disagree with that. Episode 7 is derivative and forced, but it has a much more coherent narrative than the mess that is Episode 2.
This seems impossible to believe if you look at the issue clear eyed.
I’m not at home so I’ll just use an example rather than write a wall of text on every similar example in the film.
Take Finn. He’s supposed to be a “programmed from birth” Nazi, basically. And yet he defects out of sadness at his friend’s death or something, then proceeds to whoop and holler as he blows troppers up later.
He also doesn’t really display signs of indoctrination besides being a bit of a beta Male at times. His personality seems too well adjusted.
Contrast that, with, say, Anakin in Episode 2. He’s much more consistent. (I can point to one minor instance of him being a little too flip for the context, but that’s it.)
The problem with JJ Abrams and people who liked TFA more than the PT is that they confuse “likeability” with quality.
George is the common element of every good movie he was involved in.
He’s also the common and often controlling element of many bad films in which he’s involved.
He hasn’t made a bad film other than Red Tails, which he didn’t even direct.
The closest to bad would be Episode 2, but it’s still far less narratively incoherent than Kasdan’s Episode 7.
Hahahahaha, are you serious? TFA is more incoherent than AOTC?
I legitimately cannot take another word you say seriously after that statement.
JEDIT: And in your next post you call AOTC Anakin “more consistent” than TFA Finn? That’s just objectively absurd.
George is the common element of every good movie he was involved in.
He’s also the common and often controlling element of many bad films in which he’s involved.
He hasn’t made a bad film other than Red Tails, which he didn’t even direct.
The closest to bad would be Episode 2, but it’s still far less narratively incoherent than Kasdan’s Episode 7.Hahahahaha, are you serious? TFA is more incoherent than AOTC?
I legitimately cannot take another word you say seriously after that statement.
JEDIT: And in your next post you call AOTC Anakin “more consistent” than TFA Finn? That’s just objectively absurd.
“Objective”??? Now who’s being ridiculous?
Provide a counterargument, guy.
Personally I find that the plot and even character inconsistencies can sometimes go right past me if the characters convey their respective emotions genuinely. Even on repeat viewings I will still give certain things a pass.
With the example of TFA VS. AOTC: the characters in TFA arguably emote better than in AOTC. Therefore (for better or worse) I tend to lean more towards TFA being the better film. There are things I enjoy about AOTC, but with the lack of characters emotions and motivations, the plot holes and incosistancies really stand out because the characters aren’t keeping my attention.
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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
Personally I find that the plot and even character inconsistencies can sometimes go right past me if the characters convey their respective emotions genuinely. Even on repeat viewings I will still give certain things a pass.
With the example of TFA VS. AOTC: the characters in TFA arguably emote better than in AOTC. Therefore (for better or worse) I tend to lean more towards TFA being the better film. There are things I enjoy about AOTC, but with the lack of characters emotions and motivations, the plot holes and incosistancies really stand out because the characters aren’t keeping my attention.
In theory sure, but compare TFA to ANH.
George’s version of “faster more intense” works, whereas JJ’s results in cringily overplayed scenes like Finn and Poe’s “good to meet you too” scene.
On a related note, Oscar Isaac is really really bad in TFA. It’s like he didn’t know his character.
He either overplays it or under plays it. In the Trench run he seems bored.
What is this thread about again?
George is the common element of every good movie he was involved in.
He’s also the common and often controlling element of many bad films in which he’s involved.
He hasn’t made a bad film other than Red Tails, which he didn’t even direct.
The closest to bad would be Episode 2, but it’s still far less narratively incoherent than Kasdan’s Episode 7.Hahahahaha, are you serious? TFA is more incoherent than AOTC?
I legitimately cannot take another word you say seriously after that statement.
JEDIT: And in your next post you call AOTC Anakin “more consistent” than TFA Finn? That’s just objectively absurd.
“Objective”??? Now who’s being ridiculous?
Provide a counterargument, guy.
Nah, I’m good.
George is the common element of every good movie he was involved in.
He’s also the common and often controlling element of many bad films in which he’s involved.
He hasn’t made a bad film other than Red Tails, which he didn’t even direct.
The closest to bad would be Episode 2, but it’s still far less narratively incoherent than Kasdan’s Episode 7.Hahahahaha, are you serious? TFA is more incoherent than AOTC?
I legitimately cannot take another word you say seriously after that statement.
JEDIT: And in your next post you call AOTC Anakin “more consistent” than TFA Finn? That’s just objectively absurd.
“Objective”??? Now who’s being ridiculous?
Provide a counterargument, guy.Nah, I’m good.
I accept your concession.
George is the common element of every good movie he was involved in.
He’s also the common and often controlling element of many bad films in which he’s involved.
He hasn’t made a bad film other than Red Tails, which he didn’t even direct.
The closest to bad would be Episode 2, but it’s still far less narratively incoherent than Kasdan’s Episode 7.Hahahahaha, are you serious? TFA is more incoherent than AOTC?
I legitimately cannot take another word you say seriously after that statement.
JEDIT: And in your next post you call AOTC Anakin “more consistent” than TFA Finn? That’s just objectively absurd.
“Objective”??? Now who’s being ridiculous?
Provide a counterargument, guy.
Or maybe take your off topic bitching out of my thread.
[MikeWW said:]
In theory sure, but compare TFA to ANH.
George’s version of “faster more intense” works, whereas JJ’s results in cringily overplayed scenes like Finn and Poe’s “good to meet you too” scene.On a related note, Oscar Isaac is really really bad in TFA. It’s like he didn’t know his character.
He either overplays it or under plays it. In the Trench run he seems bored.
I would say all of that is subjective. I liked the “good to meet you too” scene. And I think Oscar Isaac is good in the film.
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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
[MikeWW said:]
In theory sure, but compare TFA to ANH.
George’s version of “faster more intense” works, whereas JJ’s results in cringily overplayed scenes like Finn and Poe’s “good to meet you too” scene.On a related note, Oscar Isaac is really really bad in TFA. It’s like he didn’t know his character.
He either overplays it or under plays it. In the Trench run he seems bored.I would say all of that is subjective. I liked the “good to meet you too” scene. And I think Oscar Isaac is good in the film.
The dialogue in the scene is really bad and overlong and the actors seemed under the influence of some kind of stimulant.
George is the common element of every good movie he was involved in.
He’s also the common and often controlling element of many bad films in which he’s involved.
He hasn’t made a bad film other than Red Tails, which he didn’t even direct.
The closest to bad would be Episode 2, but it’s still far less narratively incoherent than Kasdan’s Episode 7.Hahahahaha, are you serious? TFA is more incoherent than AOTC?
I legitimately cannot take another word you say seriously after that statement.
JEDIT: And in your next post you call AOTC Anakin “more consistent” than TFA Finn? That’s just objectively absurd.
“Objective”??? Now who’s being ridiculous?
Provide a counterargument, guy.Or maybe take your off topic bitching out of my thread.
+1
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
[MikeWW said:]
In theory sure, but compare TFA to ANH.
George’s version of “faster more intense” works, whereas JJ’s results in cringily overplayed scenes like Finn and Poe’s “good to meet you too” scene.On a related note, Oscar Isaac is really really bad in TFA. It’s like he didn’t know his character.
He either overplays it or under plays it. In the Trench run he seems bored.I would say all of that is subjective. I liked the “good to meet you too” scene. And I think Oscar Isaac is good in the film.
The dialogue in the scene is really bad and overlong and the actors seemed under the influence of some kind of stimulant.
Where were you in '77?
“Objective”???
Yes, objective.
Anakin in AOTC is one of the worst written characters in film history. Nothing about his character or his romance with Padme is consistent or logical. At first, he seems like a complete creep. He says that Padme has “grown more beautiful,” stares at her longingly in every scene, and talks about how she appears in his wet dreams. Then, for some reason, Anakin begins to act less and less creepy. In the picnic scene, it seems like Anakin and Padme actually like each other, for no explained reason. Then, in the sunset scene, Anakin starts to act creepy again, and Padme says that she doesn’t like Anakin, completely contradicting the previous scene. After Anakin slaughters the Sand People, he starts ranting about it to Padme, and Padme is shocked. The next time the romance is mentioned is in the arena scene, where Padme, out of nowhere, says that she actually loves Anakin, contradicting almost every scene they had together. They get married at the end, but it doesn’t feel earned, because they only liked each other for 2 scenes.
It’s objectively wrong to say that AOTC had anything even resembling consistent plotting. TFA isn’t the best Star Wars movie, but the characters have consistent traits and clear arcs.
My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX
“Objective”???
Yes, objective.
Anakin in AOTC is one of the worst written characters in film history. Nothing about his character or his romance with Padme is consistent or logical. At first, he seems like a complete creep. He says that Padme has “grown more beautiful,” stares at her longingly in every scene, and talks about how she appears in his wet dreams. Then, for some reason, Anakin begins to act less and less creepy. In the picnic scene, it seems like Anakin and Padme actually like each other, for no explained reason. Then, in the sunset scene, Anakin starts to act creepy again, and Padme says that she doesn’t like Anakin, completely contradicting the previous scene. After Anakin slaughters the Sand People, he starts ranting about it to Padme, and Padme is shocked. The next time the romance is mentioned is in the arena scene, where Padme, out of nowhere, says that she actually loves Anakin, contradicting almost every scene they had together. They get married at the end, but it doesn’t feel earned, because they only liked each other for 2 scenes.
It’s objectively wrong to say that AOTC had anything even resembling consistent plotting. TFA isn’t the best Star Wars movie, but the characters have consistent traits and clear arcs.
You don’t seem to be remembering AotC right.
Also I explained how Finn’s arc/traits is/are mangled.
You don’t seem to be remembering AotC right.
Really? How about you describe the romance in AOTC. I’ll wait.
My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX
You don’t seem to be remembering AotC right.
Really? How about you describe the romance in AOTC. I’ll wait.
Refute my Finn points then we’ll talk.
I’ll refer back to my last post. Out of the thread.
So, has anyone here read Children of Blood and Stone? How is it? What do you think we can expect from an adaptation?
I can’t speak for Children, but I mentioned in another thread about how I would like to see Lucasfilm do a new Willow movie or Disney+ series, or maybe a live-action version of the Monkey Island games. Or maybe an animated film! I think that could set it apart from Pirates of the Caribbean, and also fit the humor pretty well I think.
You don’t seem to be remembering AotC right.
Really? How about you describe the romance in AOTC. I’ll wait.
Refute my Finn points then we’ll talk.
Okay.
Finn’s character development in TFA is mostly centered on his unwillingness to fight. He starts out as a First Order janitor: he’s technically part of the First Order, but he isn’t really committed to their cause. The movie starts with Finn’s first battle, where he experiences the horrors of war for the first time. One of his stormtrooper friends dies, and he is ordered to slaughter hundreds of innocent civilians. Finn decides that he doesn’t want to fight for the First Order, and frees Poe so that he can help Finn escape. Poe wants to go back to Jakku to help the Resistance, but Finn wants to get away from the war. After they crash land on Jakku, Finn meets Rey and BB-8, and Finn agrees to help return BB-8 to the Resistance, but he still doesn’t want to fight. After they meet Han and travel to Maz’s castle, Maz argues with Finn. Maz urges Finn to fight against the Dark Side, but Finn says that fighting the First Order is futile, and he decides to leave. The only reason he doesn’t leave is because he wants to find Rey. Then, the First Order attacks, leaving Finn no choice but to fight. After the battle, Rey gets captured, and all the other characters, including Finn, go to the Resistance base. Finn creates a plan to disable the shields on Starkiller Base, but secretly, he just wants to help Rey. After he disables the shields and finds Rey, Han decides to help the Resistance blow up the base, leaving Finn no choice but to fight once again. Kylo kills Han, and Finn and Rey encounter Kylo in the woods. Kylo slices Finn’s back, leaving him unconscious for the rest of the movie.
By the end of the movie, Finn has left the First Order, but he still hasn’t joined the Resistance. This is made clear many times in the movie. His motivations are obvious and his arc is clear.
Your turn. Describe the romance in AOTC. I’ll wait.
My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX
You don’t seem to be remembering AotC right.
Really? How about you describe the romance in AOTC. I’ll wait.
Refute my Finn points then we’ll talk.
Okay.
Finn’s character development in TFA is mostly centered on his unwillingness to fight. He starts out as a First Order janitor: he’s technically part of the First Order, but he isn’t really committed to their cause. The movie starts with Finn’s first battle, where he experiences the horrors of war for the first time. One of his stormtrooper friends dies, and he is ordered to slaughter hundreds of innocent civilians. Finn decides that he doesn’t want to fight for the First Order, and frees Poe so that he can help Finn escape. Poe wants to go back to Jakku to help the Resistance, but Finn wants to get away from the war. After they crash land on Jakku, Finn meets Rey and BB-8, and Finn agrees to help return BB-8 to the Resistance, but he still doesn’t want to fight. After they meet Han and travel to Maz’s castle, Maz argues with Finn. Maz urges Finn to fight against the Dark Side, but Finn says that fighting the First Order is futile, and he decides to leave. The only reason he doesn’t leave is because he wants to find Rey. Then, the First Order attacks, leaving Finn no choice but to fight. After the battle, Rey gets captured, and all the other characters, including Finn, go to the Resistance base. Finn creates a plan to disable the shields on Starkiller Base, but secretly, he just wants to help Rey. After he disables the shields and finds Rey, Han decides to help the Resistance blow up the base, leaving Finn no choice but to fight once again. Kylo kills Han, and Finn and Rey encounter Kylo in the woods. Kylo slices Finn’s back, leaving him unconscious for the rest of the movie.
By the end of the movie, Finn has left the First Order, but he still hasn’t joined the Resistance. This is made clear many times in the movie. His motivations are obvious and his arc is clear.
Your turn. Describe the romance in AOTC. I’ll wait.
You didn’t engage with my points at all you just typed up an on paper summary.