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SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

I trust you didn’t watch the 2004 version of THX?

Other than the highway car shots, pretty much all the changes are improvements IMO.

Looks at name of forum, then your post, then at name of forum again and goes cross-eyed.

The Star Wars SEs have more questionable stuff in them than THX 2004 does IMO.
The effects are less dodgy, most of it doesn’t change the tone, and like the best SE changes, it makes the world feel less low budget. The THX working scenes feel a lot better with people out of focus in the background all toiling away too.

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MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

I trust you didn’t watch the 2004 version of THX?

Other than the highway car shots, pretty much all the changes are improvements IMO.

Looks at name of forum, then your post, then at name of forum again and goes cross-eyed.

The Star Wars SEs have more questionable stuff in them than THX 2004 does IMO.
The effects are less dodgy, most of it doesn’t change the tone, and like the best SE changes, it makes the world feel less low budget. The THX working scenes feel a lot better with people out of focus in the background all toiling away too.

It does so change the tone. The vast underground cityscapes take away from the claustropohic feel of the original. Lucas got the look he wanted by shooting real locations in Northern California. Things like the video screen above the complaint box are pointless, and the hands on the Robert Duvall stand in on the monitor aren’t even in the same position. And don’t get me started on those mangy CGI baboons that replaced some of the shell dwellers. The bigger crime is there’s no way for the average viewer to know they’re watching an altered version. There are no SE credits. There isn’t even a crappy non-anamorphic DVD of the original for people to choose to watch.
Many members of this site have dedicated years to preserving the original THX, so you’re barking up a very large non-cgi tree on this.

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SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

I trust you didn’t watch the 2004 version of THX?

Other than the highway car shots, pretty much all the changes are improvements IMO.

Looks at name of forum, then your post, then at name of forum again and goes cross-eyed.

The Star Wars SEs have more questionable stuff in them than THX 2004 does IMO.
The effects are less dodgy, most of it doesn’t change the tone, and like the best SE changes, it makes the world feel less low budget. The THX working scenes feel a lot better with people out of focus in the background all toiling away too.

It does so change the tone. The vast underground cityscapes take away from the claustropohic feel of the original. Lucas got the look he wanted by shooting real locations in Northern California. Things like the video screen above the complaint box are pointless, and the hands on the Robert Duvall stand in on the monitor aren’t even in the same position. And don’t get me started on those mangy CGI baboons that replaced some of the shell dwellers. The bigger crime is there’s no way for the average viewer to know they’re watching an altered version. There are no SE credits. There isn’t even a crappy non-anamorphic DVD of the original for people to choose to watch.
Many members of this site have dedicated years to preserving the original THX, so you’re barking up a very large non-cgi tree on this.

Eh, you say claustrophobia, I say “obvious lack of resources”. The only tone hurting change is the Hot Wheels scene IMO.
The 2004 version doesn’t change the freakyness of the society at all for me.
Also my third favorite shot is a digitally altered one- the lizard with wings.

I get preserving these things, but that doesn’t mean the altered version sucks.
Heck, I signed up mostly because of those film prints of TPM and AotC.

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MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

I trust you didn’t watch the 2004 version of THX?

Other than the highway car shots, pretty much all the changes are improvements IMO.

Looks at name of forum, then your post, then at name of forum again and goes cross-eyed.

The Star Wars SEs have more questionable stuff in them than THX 2004 does IMO.
The effects are less dodgy, most of it doesn’t change the tone, and like the best SE changes, it makes the world feel less low budget. The THX working scenes feel a lot better with people out of focus in the background all toiling away too.

It does so change the tone. The vast underground cityscapes take away from the claustropohic feel of the original. Lucas got the look he wanted by shooting real locations in Northern California. Things like the video screen above the complaint box are pointless, and the hands on the Robert Duvall stand in on the monitor aren’t even in the same position. And don’t get me started on those mangy CGI baboons that replaced some of the shell dwellers. The bigger crime is there’s no way for the average viewer to know they’re watching an altered version. There are no SE credits. There isn’t even a crappy non-anamorphic DVD of the original for people to choose to watch.
Many members of this site have dedicated years to preserving the original THX, so you’re barking up a very large non-cgi tree on this.

I get preserving these things, but that doesn’t mean the altered version sucks.

Not inherently, but THX’s DC has more wrong with it than ESB’s Special Edition if you ask me. I hate that it’s most people’s first/only exposure to the film.

I’ll concede that it’s overall less offensive than ANH and ROTJ’s SE’s, though.

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ChainsawAsh said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

I trust you didn’t watch the 2004 version of THX?

Other than the highway car shots, pretty much all the changes are improvements IMO.

Looks at name of forum, then your post, then at name of forum again and goes cross-eyed.

The Star Wars SEs have more questionable stuff in them than THX 2004 does IMO.
The effects are less dodgy, most of it doesn’t change the tone, and like the best SE changes, it makes the world feel less low budget. The THX working scenes feel a lot better with people out of focus in the background all toiling away too.

It does so change the tone. The vast underground cityscapes take away from the claustropohic feel of the original. Lucas got the look he wanted by shooting real locations in Northern California. Things like the video screen above the complaint box are pointless, and the hands on the Robert Duvall stand in on the monitor aren’t even in the same position. And don’t get me started on those mangy CGI baboons that replaced some of the shell dwellers. The bigger crime is there’s no way for the average viewer to know they’re watching an altered version. There are no SE credits. There isn’t even a crappy non-anamorphic DVD of the original for people to choose to watch.
Many members of this site have dedicated years to preserving the original THX, so you’re barking up a very large non-cgi tree on this.

I get preserving these things, but that doesn’t mean the altered version sucks.

Not inherently, but THX’s DC has more wrong with it than ESB’s Special Edition if you ask me. I hate that it’s most people’s first/only exposure to the film.

I’ll concede that it’s overall less offensive than ANH and ROTJ’s SE’s, though.

At least the SE’s don’t have anyone rolling their eyes up into their heads like a fugitive from Toon Town. 😉

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Or a machine that…

You know what, nevermind I’m not touching that one.

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SilverWook said:

ChainsawAsh said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

I trust you didn’t watch the 2004 version of THX?

Other than the highway car shots, pretty much all the changes are improvements IMO.

Looks at name of forum, then your post, then at name of forum again and goes cross-eyed.

The Star Wars SEs have more questionable stuff in them than THX 2004 does IMO.
The effects are less dodgy, most of it doesn’t change the tone, and like the best SE changes, it makes the world feel less low budget. The THX working scenes feel a lot better with people out of focus in the background all toiling away too.

It does so change the tone. The vast underground cityscapes take away from the claustropohic feel of the original. Lucas got the look he wanted by shooting real locations in Northern California. Things like the video screen above the complaint box are pointless, and the hands on the Robert Duvall stand in on the monitor aren’t even in the same position. And don’t get me started on those mangy CGI baboons that replaced some of the shell dwellers. The bigger crime is there’s no way for the average viewer to know they’re watching an altered version. There are no SE credits. There isn’t even a crappy non-anamorphic DVD of the original for people to choose to watch.
Many members of this site have dedicated years to preserving the original THX, so you’re barking up a very large non-cgi tree on this.

I get preserving these things, but that doesn’t mean the altered version sucks.

Not inherently, but THX’s DC has more wrong with it than ESB’s Special Edition if you ask me. I hate that it’s most people’s first/only exposure to the film.

I’ll concede that it’s overall less offensive than ANH and ROTJ’s SE’s, though.

At least the SE’s don’t have anyone rolling their eyes up into their heads like a fugitive from Toon Town. 😉

I was surprised to learn that the eyes were altered.

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MikeWW said:

if Leia’s planet blew up, I’d expect more than “we have no time for sorrows commander”.

I take it your aren’t in the military nor do you know many who are.
That’s just how things are. She’s got bigger fish to fry at the moment. No time to cry about your home when you’re trying to literally save the rest of the galaxy.

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ray_afraid said:

MikeWW said:

if Leia’s planet blew up, I’d expect more than “we have no time for sorrows commander”.

I take it your aren’t in the military nor do you know many who are.
That’s just how things are. She’s got bigger fish to fry at the moment. No time to cry about your home when you’re trying to literally save the rest of the galaxy.

But even her tone is too unnaffected.
Lucas was criticized for his direction at the time, remember.

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MikeWW said:

ray_afraid said:

MikeWW said:

if Leia’s planet blew up, I’d expect more than “we have no time for sorrows commander”.

I take it your aren’t in the military nor do you know many who are.
That’s just how things are. She’s got bigger fish to fry at the moment. No time to cry about your home when you’re trying to literally save the rest of the galaxy.

But even her tone is too unnaffected.

Meh.

Lucas was criticized for his direction at the time, remember.

Everybody got an opinion, but the only one I care about is my own. 😛 😉

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ChainsawAsh said:

Or a machine that…

You know what, nevermind I’m not touching that one.

You just had to remind of that! 😛

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The masturbation-machine and the baboons were both in the 1971 novelization of THX, FWIW.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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ATMachine said:

The masturbation-machine and the baboons were both in the 1971 novelization of THX, FWIW.

Were they in George’s script though? Ben Bova could have embellished George’s ideas with his own much as Alan Dean Foster did ghostwriting the SW novelization.

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I can’t believe that in all my years of viewing the film hundreds of times, I never picked up on this . Turns out Vader had a theme before the Imperial March that was a lot more subdued in the original film . The video they link to near the bottom of the page really makes one aware of it . Now I will never be able to not notice it on future viewings !..http://episodenothing.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-music-of-star-wars-that-we-never_16.html

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Watching Harmy’s DeEd of SW was the first time I’ve noticed Han shaking his head in disbelief when 3PO first greeted him. I don’t know why I didn’t notice that all those years before, but it’s so funny 😄

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I picked up on it after reading the Brian Daley Solo books. Since droids figure into the plots there, I wonder if Daley had noticed it as well? A jaded cynical more droids, more problems reaction?

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Just off the top of my head:

The “dice” hanging in the MF cockpit.

The car cassette-deck in Luke’s X-wing cockpit.

I’m sure there’s a lot of other stuff I can’t think of right now.

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I’m sad that the dice are now metallic and not properly fuzzy.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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It was Hardware Wars that had fuzzy dice.

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screams in the void said:

I can’t believe that in all my years of viewing the film hundreds of times, I never picked up on this . Turns out Vader had a theme before the Imperial March that was a lot more subdued in the original film . The video they link to near the bottom of the page really makes one aware of it . Now I will never be able to not notice it on future viewings !..http://episodenothing.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-music-of-star-wars-that-we-never_16.html

By the winged devils of Onderon! I KNOW that piece of music, could hum it… but my brain never thought of it as a THEME/MOTIF in that way. It’s overshadowed in my brain box by the more dynamic Imperial March, which is strengthened by being in multiple films.

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So many things on this thread and other things I never noticed because the cropped VHS image is permanently burned into my mind, and sometimes MEMORY fills in the scene in my brain even as I’m watching it.

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Morgan the Boost said:

screams in the void said:

I can’t believe that in all my years of viewing the film hundreds of times, I never picked up on this . Turns out Vader had a theme before the Imperial March that was a lot more subdued in the original film . The video they link to near the bottom of the page really makes one aware of it . Now I will never be able to not notice it on future viewings !..http://episodenothing.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-music-of-star-wars-that-we-never_16.html

By the winged devils of Onderon! I KNOW that piece of music, could hum it… but my brain never thought of it as a THEME/MOTIF in that way. It’s overshadowed in my brain box by the more dynamic Imperial March, which is strengthened by being in multiple films.

It’s a very low-key motif. More fitted to represent a bureaucracy than a regime of terror. Hardly surprising that John Williams thought better of it in subsequent films.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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ATMachine said:

Morgan the Boost said:

screams in the void said:

I can’t believe that in all my years of viewing the film hundreds of times, I never picked up on this . Turns out Vader had a theme before the Imperial March that was a lot more subdued in the original film . The video they link to near the bottom of the page really makes one aware of it . Now I will never be able to not notice it on future viewings !..http://episodenothing.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-music-of-star-wars-that-we-never_16.html

By the winged devils of Onderon! I KNOW that piece of music, could hum it… but my brain never thought of it as a THEME/MOTIF in that way. It’s overshadowed in my brain box by the more dynamic Imperial March, which is strengthened by being in multiple films.

It’s a very low-key motif. More fitted to represent a bureaucracy than a regime of terror. Hardly surprising that John Williams thought better of it in subsequent films.

Yeah, but the Empire IS more bureaucratic. Grand Moff has staff meetings where people are allowed to argue. Until SW starts they’ve been used to answering somewhat to the Senate. Subordinates talk back to Vader and he listens.

By ESB things have changed. Vader is driven, and has the big boss chair unquestioned. The reign of terror has really begun. So the theme switch really fits the films.

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Maybe so. Still, the SW 1977 Empire is evil enough to build and use a weapon that blows up entire planets, so the theme doesn’t really fit the depths of its villainy IMO.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”