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Moving Starkiller to fire at the end of the lightsaber battle is interesting.

I do like that it does not take away from Han’s death. I also like that it makes it seem that the instability of the planet is what causes Starkiller to reach its own destruction upon firing.

The only thing is that I feel like there’s going to need to be some dialogue here to piece that part together. Like it would be perfect if there was a First Order officer that mentioned something about the instability of the planet.

This idea is something worth continuing to play with.

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Geez, Nev, Rey seeing R2 and remembering him from her vision is actually a solid idea. It does make you wonder why they didn’t think to check him earlier, but if feels more natural and a little less convenient than R2 waking up or finishing his data search as soon as everyone is back at the base. And you’re basically addressing this by still keeping the first scene where 3PO basically dismisses the thought (thanks 3PO).

Sure, the scene is a little awkward, but the thing with R2 at least gives it a nice function within the story.

This is another cool alternative it would be cool to get more feedback on. And like you said, what I like about it is that this idea says more about Rey’s actual personality and less on her “special powers”. Too bad we can’t see Rey help R2 wake back up.

Ziggy, that extra bit of dialogue is a good idea! Could fit in when the officer is looking at everything falling apart before he runs off.

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NeverarGreat said:

BTW, here’s the shifted Leia scene:

https://vimeo.com/329946951

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I went through almost a dozen different bits of music before finding something halfway serviceable.

I’m kinda seeing where you’re going with this. You do lose that shot of Kylo Ren’s face after he lets Han go, which is a bit of a shame, but I’m guessing it fits better to cut it there because the music?

Also, the music is pretty good for the quick shot of Leia. Though I’m not crazy about how it starts of with Rey’s motif. I wonder if it would be possible to splice two different tracks. Because the moment when Leia drops her head and the horns kind of dip too, that works so nicely! I think it would be interesting if you could replace the Rey motif with a piece of the rendition of the Han & Leia motif, and then it could quickly switch to the deep horns as Leia drops her head. It would almost be like her feeling Han, but then when the horns cut off their motif, that’s the moment he’s gone. Like she feels him passing and we feel it through the music. It might not be feasible but could be worth a try.

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Rh_2002 said:

I cannot wait till this is done, all the time youve put into this is absolutely insane! The finished product is gonna feel amazing after watching!

Thanks, it’s been a long process but I hope the results will speak for themselves. 😃

RogueLeader said:

Geez, Nev, Rey seeing R2 and remembering him from her vision is actually a solid idea. It does make you wonder why they didn’t think to check him earlier, but if feels more natural and a little less convenient than R2 waking up or finishing his data search as soon as everyone is back at the base. And you’re basically addressing this by still keeping the first scene where 3PO basically dismisses the thought (thanks 3PO).

Sure, the scene is a little awkward, but the thing with R2 at least gives it a nice function within the story.

This is another cool alternative it would be cool to get more feedback on. And like you said, what I like about it is that this idea says more about Rey’s actual personality and less on her “special powers”. Too bad we can’t see Rey help R2 wake back up.

Yeah, my options are limited to exactly one shot of Rey inside HQ.

Ziggy, that extra bit of dialogue is a good idea! Could fit in when the officer is looking at everything falling apart before he runs off.

Is that really necessary though? I don’t think there would be any confusion as to the planet’s fate since it was established that destroying the Oscillator could cripple the planet.

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That’s pretty good, becoming a little clearer maybe.

A few notes:
The shot of just R2 when you wipe to 3PO, I feel like we should see a little of BB-8’s head since he was so close to R2 in the last shot, or, have R2 by himself when Rey first looks at him.

When 3PO says, “That sounds like…” I feel like we should clearly hear R2 and not BB-8 like it seems. Maybe you have it where we hear both of them simultaneously, but I think she just be R2 beeps, at least right before 3PO says that.

I like the new “She found what?” line. I wonder if it would be possible to create a quick shot of Rey in that scene to show she is there with them. Maybe with a similar technique you used to create the shot of Rey standing in the foreground, looking at R2 and BB-8. Maybe this isn’t necessary though.

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Good suggestions RL! However, although I have fixed the R2 shot in the latest version, the shot of 3PO alone has been cut as well as quite a few more changes. Probably best to just show the video and discuss below:

https://vimeo.com/330916894

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So in wanting to retain R2 waking up, it creates the necessity of some time passing yet there is no scene to fill the intervening time. That is why the change to night, and it also allows us to see the rings of D’qar from the ground which was a suggestion from another thread. The night color grade lightens up throughout the proceeding scenes until we see Rey watching over Finn the next morning, and I think it definitely reads as morning now instead of late afternoon.

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^ That works amazing well and actually gives the film a bit of breathing time for the audience after the big hits have just hit and seeing the character’s reactions and emotions.

Was very impressed with what Hal’s reconstructed edit was able to achieve and your one seems to be taking it to new un-imagined heights. Keep up the great work!

As a side question - How would you say your edit compares currently to Digmodification’s “Heir to the Force” TFA edit? His is highly recommended as a compatible companion edit to ForceGhostRecon’s TLJ “Clean Cut” or “Last of the Jedi” purist edition edits but your eventual edit sounds like it will be a strong contender as a definitive pick and it is already compatible with FGR’s edit as well due to your edit ending on the Falcon going to hyperspace.

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This is pretty cool Nev.

I showed this to someone, who has seen TFA a few times, to see if they understood the intention.

They didn’t totally get it, and thought that maybe Rey and R2 had a special connection, but they didn’t really put it together that Rey remembered R2 from the vision and got him to check his memory for the map.

Just thought I would try to see if another person would understand without your additional context, and at least in this one example the person didn’t fully get it.

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I just discovered this fanedit. Wow I am so excited for this. This literally reinvoked my hype for Star Wars.

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Valheru_84 said:

^ That works amazing well and actually gives the film a bit of breathing time for the audience after the big hits have just hit and seeing the character’s reactions and emotions.

Was very impressed with what Hal’s reconstructed edit was able to achieve and your one seems to be taking it to new un-imagined heights. Keep up the great work!

Thanks!

As a side question - How would you say your edit compares currently to Digmodification’s “Heir to the Force” TFA edit? His is highly recommended as a compatible companion edit to ForceGhostRecon’s TLJ “Clean Cut” or “Last of the Jedi” purist edition edits but your eventual edit sounds like it will be a strong contender as a definitive pick and it is already compatible with FGR’s edit as well due to your edit ending on the Falcon going to hyperspace.

I’d say Heir to the Force has has a different focus, from what I remember it’s centered on keeping the Kylo reveal and cutting a lot of the more silly moments. The focus of this edit is (hopefully) to more fully develop the characters and plot which already exist. This means they’re quite different and not easily comparable.

As for it acting as a companion to a TLJ edit, I actually haven’t seen any of them except for Hal’s Legendary edit (and maybe one more I can’t remember right now). The ending of my edit is still up in the air as to whether to end it with Hyperspace or keeping the island. I’m actually leaning toward the island since I can’t find anywhere else to put that footage.

RogueLeader said:

This is pretty cool Nev.

I showed this to someone, who has seen TFA a few times, to see if they understood the intention.

They didn’t totally get it, and thought that maybe Rey and R2 had a special connection, but they didn’t really put it together that Rey remembered R2 from the vision and got him to check his memory for the map.

Just thought I would try to see if another person would understand without your additional context, and at least in this one example the person didn’t fully get it.

That’s unfortunate, but understandable. There’s precious little for an audience member to go on here.

What if there were some tools/computer equipment plugged into R2 when he wakes up? I imagine it could be slightly behind where BB-8 sits for most of the scene, and could consist of a datapad, Rey’s satchel (and staff?), and a cord plugging into somewhere on the side of back of R2. When he wakes up the color of the datapad screen could change or flicker, and the rest of the shots in the scene (except the last one) are already framed to conceal this area of the set so I wouldn’t have to do too much work in that regard.

TheLazure said:

I just discovered this fanedit. Wow I am so excited for this. This literally reinvoked my hype for Star Wars.

Glad you are liking it, hopefully it won’t take too terribly long to finish this beast. 😃

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Would it be possible to roto rey from the scenes where she fixes bb8’s antenna and put r2 in the shot? I think You’d only need a half second shot to convey the idea.

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EddieDean said:

Christ, Nev, how are you able to turn ideas into reality so quickly?

It doesn’t take that long to roto still images if you’re not too concerned with quality 😉

littlev87 said:

Would it be possible to roto rey from the scenes where she fixes bb8’s antenna and put r2 in the shot? I think You’d only need a half second shot to convey the idea.

Unfortunately it’s too windy in that shot and the angle isn’t great, but that got me looking through the rest of the movie for something, and the closest I can find is when she bends down to talk to BB-8 after leaving Jakku. Even then the angle isn’t ideal and she puts her hands up in a strange way. The scene may be reaching the limit of the available footage.

JEDIT: Here’s the progress so far. I added a cable to connect the machine to R2, and zoomed/shifted the final shot of the scene so as to avoid having to place the machine into shot again (I don’t have a good alternate angle of it). Finally, moving Chewie to the night scene gives it more time to breathe, and I’m fairly happy with how this is shaping up given what there is to work with.

https://vimeo.com/331149498

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I haven’t kept up with all of this but this last clip is working very well! I can also see where there could be a slight disconnect…Rey realizing it was R2 in her vision. But again, I do like how this is coming together. It’s very cool when essentially an entirely new scene can be made to fix and/or enhance an edit.

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I wonder if you could have it where Rey says, “Luke” during one of the shots of R2. You could take it from her conversation with Maz, since you might cut that line.

Also, in the wide shot of R2, BB-8 and 3PO you can’t see any of the tools, but that might be something you could/will fix at a later point.

I am still wondering though if it would be simpler to just cut straight from Rey looking at R2, to them going to Leia about good news, and if adding this extra stuff is making it more confusing or less confusing. I think this new stuff is cool, just trying to look at it objectively.

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RogueLeader said:

I wonder if you could have it where Rey says, “Luke” during one of the shots of R2. You could take it from her conversation with Maz, since you might cut that line.

This seems like a great idea. We need a better indication of Rey connecting Artoo with Luke. Having her say his name might be a good step in the right direction.

I am still wondering though if it would be simpler to just cut straight from Rey looking at R2, to them going to Leia about good news, and if adding this extra stuff is making it more confusing or less confusing. I think this new stuff is cool, just trying to look at it objectively.

I’m also wondering this. This seems like a good idea, but without actually seeing Rey fix Artoo, it becomes a little confusing about what just happened.

“The Ziggy Edit” — A Conceptual Fanedit of Return of the Jedi

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-The-Ziggy-Edit/id/17844

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RogueLeader said:
Ziggy, that extra bit of dialogue is a good idea! Could fit in when the officer is looking at everything falling apart before he runs off.

NeverarGreat said:
Is that really necessary though? I don’t think there would be any confusion as to the planet’s fate since it was established that destroying the Oscillator could cripple the planet.

I don’t know. I feel like the line about the Oscillator is too much of a throwaway line for the average moviegoer. I do see what you’re saying, and it might not be required. But I do think it would help.

I’m not sure how else it can be communicated without additional dialogue. Or how this is the first time they’ve used the weapon and the instability would be unknown.

Or maybe not.

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https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-The-Ziggy-Edit/id/17844

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ziggyonice said:

RogueLeader said:

I wonder if you could have it where Rey says, “Luke” during one of the shots of R2. You could take it from her conversation with Maz, since you might cut that line.

This seems like a great idea. We need a better indication of Rey connecting Artoo with Luke. Having her say his name might be a good step in the right direction.

I am still wondering though if it would be simpler to just cut straight from Rey looking at R2, to them going to Leia about good news, and if adding this extra stuff is making it more confusing or less confusing. I think this new stuff is cool, just trying to look at it objectively.

I’m also wondering this. This seems like a good idea, but without actually seeing Rey fix Artoo, it becomes a little confusing about what just happened.

I think the short version does well convey the connection between Rey and R2, but without anything else it only strengthens the theory, common after the movie’s release, that Rey’s mere proximity to R2 allows him to wake up, and might make it seem like Luke planned all of this out in advance using space magic. Needless to say that’s not the message I want to send.

So I guess it’s back to figuring out how to get Rey beside of R2 before cutting to night.

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Is there any chance you could have Rey say some sort of dialogue? Maybe she could say something, off camera, to Artoo? I’m picturing her saying something about “I saw you in a dream” or something.

Didn’t she say something like that in The Last Jedi? Does any of her dialogue reference dreams or flashbacks or anything that might be edited to fit the context of the scene? Just trying to find ways to piece it together.

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ziggyonice said:
Didn’t she say something like that in The Last Jedi? Does any of her dialogue reference dreams or flashbacks or anything that might be edited to fit the context of the scene? Just trying to find ways to piece it together.

She says something like “in a dream” to Luke in regards to having seen the inside of the tree before where the original Jedi texts live. Not sure how you’d work it into the scene in question though and it’d feel a bit repetitive that she conveniently see’s all these things in her dreams.

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I do think that the issue is just coming back to the fact that the audience might not put two-and-two together and remember that Rey saw R2 in the dream, and because of R2’s relation to Luke, it made her realize he might have the rest of the map. Maybe if 3PO could say to Leia, “Rey’s found some much needed good news.”

Veering off in another direction a little. We discussed before the idea of putting the Hosnian destruction right after Rey defeats Kylo, and how I was concerned if the high of the duel’s climax could clash with a somber moment immediately after, and Nev, you speculated on the idea of possibly changing the music to be a little darker and less heroic, if that makes sense.

I’ve thought about this some more, and I wonder if you could possibly replace the latter half of that track, starting with the Force theme as they are fighting for each other’s blades then Rey slices his face, with the alternate track for Han’s death scene? It is basically a darker version of the Force theme, and I think the way that track ends would flow really well into the ‘Starkiller’ track. Not sure if the timing would be right but might be worth experimenting with.

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ziggyonice said:

Is there any chance you could have Rey say some sort of dialogue? Maybe she could say something, off camera, to Artoo? I’m picturing her saying something about “I saw you in a dream” or something.

Didn’t she say something like that in The Last Jedi? Does any of her dialogue reference dreams or flashbacks or anything that might be edited to fit the context of the scene? Just trying to find ways to piece it together.

Off-camera dialogue is hit and miss at the best of times, so I’m reluctant to go this route. It’s also nearing the end of the movie, and it feels more ‘Star Wars’ to begin minimizing dialogue in favor of imagery.

RogueLeader said:

I do think that the issue is just coming back to the fact that the audience might not put two-and-two together and remember that Rey saw R2 in the dream, and because of R2’s relation to Luke, it made her realize he might have the rest of the map. Maybe if 3PO could say to Leia, “Rey’s found some much needed good news.”

That would be nice, but I don’t know if 3PO ever uses her name in a sentence. I didn’t find anything of use in the TFA Lego game, though there might be later game recordings?

Veering off in another direction a little. We discussed before the idea of putting the Hosnian destruction right after Rey defeats Kylo, and how I was concerned if the high of the duel’s climax could clash with a somber moment immediately after, and Nev, you speculated on the idea of possibly changing the music to be a little darker and less heroic, if that makes sense.

I’ve thought about this some more, and I wonder if you could possibly replace the latter half of that track, starting with the Force theme as they are fighting for each other’s blades then Rey slices his face, with the alternate track for Han’s death scene? It is basically a darker version of the Force theme, and I think the way that track ends would flow really well into the ‘Starkiller’ track. Not sure if the timing would be right but might be worth experimenting with.

Interesting, I’ll give that a try.

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