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DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

If it is a real piece of artwork made at Lucasfilm, and it was a work in progress poster for some potential scrapped ideas, I believe this poster will not be used as promotional material close to around December. This looks like something that could be put in The Art of Episode IX book when it comes out. Or, it could just be a really well put together fake poster that someone made.

No, it’s highly unlikely that this would appear in the Art of book. It’s not concept art, it’s using legit promotional photography of the actors in costume. For it to be fan made would be nearly impossible, for it to be a poster concept would be highly improbable. That it is an official poster is possible, and that it is a retail/licensed based artwork is most likely. The latter are often character collages like these, and usually when a leak emerges it is merchandise related. There will almost certainly be an official teaser poster at celebration but it will probably be a lot more minimal than this.

I do agree. It’s possible that this could be some promotional material for Star Wars Celebration this year, but the concept of C-3PO with Chewbacca’s bowcaster and bandolier doesn’t seem like an idea that Luacsfilm was make use of in any content these days. This is why it could be possible that someone made a poster themselves to troll fans online.

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

If it is a real piece of artwork made at Lucasfilm, and it was a work in progress poster for some potential scrapped ideas, I believe this poster will not be used as promotional material close to around December. This looks like something that could be put in The Art of Episode IX book when it comes out. Or, it could just be a really well put together fake poster that someone made.

No, it’s highly unlikely that this would appear in the Art of book. It’s not concept art, it’s using legit promotional photography of the actors in costume. For it to be fan made would be nearly impossible, for it to be a poster concept would be highly improbable. That it is an official poster is possible, and that it is a retail/licensed based artwork is most likely. The latter are often character collages like these, and usually when a leak emerges it is merchandise related. There will almost certainly be an official teaser poster at celebration but it will probably be a lot more minimal than this.

I do agree. It’s possible that this could be some promotional material for Star Wars Celebration this year, but the concept of C-3PO with Chewbacca’s bowcaster and bandolier doesn’t seem like an idea that Luacsfilm was make use of in any content these days. This is why it could be possible that someone made a poster themselves to troll fans online.

JJ does love giving other people Chewie’s bowcaster. It’s a comical image, but then again 3PO is a comical character. It’d be weird but I could see a scene where it happens. Doubt they’d put it on a poster, but that might just explain more why this is probably a merchandising thing - there’s going to be a 3PO + bowcaster toy.

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DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

If it is a real piece of artwork made at Lucasfilm, and it was a work in progress poster for some potential scrapped ideas, I believe this poster will not be used as promotional material close to around December. This looks like something that could be put in The Art of Episode IX book when it comes out. Or, it could just be a really well put together fake poster that someone made.

No, it’s highly unlikely that this would appear in the Art of book. It’s not concept art, it’s using legit promotional photography of the actors in costume. For it to be fan made would be nearly impossible, for it to be a poster concept would be highly improbable. That it is an official poster is possible, and that it is a retail/licensed based artwork is most likely. The latter are often character collages like these, and usually when a leak emerges it is merchandise related. There will almost certainly be an official teaser poster at celebration but it will probably be a lot more minimal than this.

I do agree. It’s possible that this could be some promotional material for Star Wars Celebration this year, but the concept of C-3PO with Chewbacca’s bowcaster and bandolier doesn’t seem like an idea that Luacsfilm was make use of in any content these days. This is why it could be possible that someone made a poster themselves to troll fans online.

JJ does love giving other people Chewie’s bowcaster. It’s a comical image, but then again 3PO is a comical character. It’d be weird but I could see a scene where it happens. Doubt they’d put it on a poster, but that might just explain more why this is probably a merchandising thing - there’s going to be a 3PO + bowcaster toy.

I understand, but I can’t see someone like J.J. Abrams giving someone like C-3PO, who is a comic relief character, unlike Han and Chewie. Coming up with an idea like this is similar as to when George Lucas revealed that R2-D2 could fly in the prequels. I feel that the lowest point in the entire saga is having Threepio’s head and body exchanged with a battle droid in Attack of the Clones.

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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ChainsawAsh said:

What makes you think anything in this poster is a “scrapped idea?”

C-3PO with Chewbacca’s bandolier and bowcaster seems like an idea that was floating around during the concept art/pre-production stages of the film before it would be dropped. It doesn’t seem like an idea that Lucasfilm, Kathleen Kennedy and J.J. Abrams would not want to make use of.

Too bad. They are. I don’t like the idea either, but this is far beyond concept art. The best case scenario here is it’s one scene that ends up getting cut before December, but if they’re putting it on licensed art, it’s almost certainly going to be in the movie.

While there was concept art of Kylo Ren with a repaired helmet on that got leaked even earlier, it is also likely that that idea was dropped as well.

No, it’s not likely at all. I’d say the idea being brought up time and time again along with concept and licensed promo art depicting exactly this is a 100% guarantee that this is exactly what is happening in the movie.

I have already explained why Kylo Ren would not wear his helmet again, and why the crew have now gone into the direction.

Again, I’m not the biggest fan of the idea either, but sticking your fingers in your ears and going “LALALALALA THEY’RE NOT DOING THIS” is just straight up denial and will hurt any chance you have at enjoying the movie. Accept that it’s at minimum likely to happen and you’ll have a better time, even if you still end up disliking the idea.

The idea that this is “sketched-out concept art” of that it contains any “scrapped ideas” is straight-up denial, as this is far beyond those stages. This is near-finalized to the point where I’d be surprised if this exact poster isn’t for sale at Celebration.

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Again, I’m not the biggest fan of the idea either, but sticking your fingers in your ears and going “LALALALALA THEY’RE NOT DOING THIS” is just straight up denial and will hurt any chance you have at enjoying the movie. Accept that it’s at minimum likely to happen and you’ll have a better time, even if you still end up disliking the idea.

The idea that this is “sketched-out concept art” of that it contains any “scrapped ideas” is straight-up denial, as this is far beyond those stages. This is near-finalized to the point where I’d be surprised if this exact poster isn’t for sale at Celebration.

I agree with you. I’m not necessarily denying anything, and by the time Episode IX is released, I am going into the theater to watch the ninth installment in the Star Wars saga and forget everything that I have been following during the lead up to the film. I walked into The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi doing the same, and I loved both Episodes VII and VIII. I believe there is a way that Lucasfilm will make some of these ideas work, I fully trust the crew with the sequel trilogy. I am just giving some first thoughts on the poster and breaking down why the poster could be either real or not. The Last Jedi really changed my thoughts on the entire franchise in a very positive and life changing way. I am very excited about Episode IX, despite that the toxicity that grew in the fanbase did effect my excitement for Episode IX or any future Star Wars content.

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nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

If it is a real piece of artwork made at Lucasfilm, and it was a work in progress poster for some potential scrapped ideas, I believe this poster will not be used as promotional material close to around December. This looks like something that could be put in The Art of Episode IX book when it comes out. Or, it could just be a really well put together fake poster that someone made.

No, it’s highly unlikely that this would appear in the Art of book. It’s not concept art, it’s using legit promotional photography of the actors in costume. For it to be fan made would be nearly impossible, for it to be a poster concept would be highly improbable. That it is an official poster is possible, and that it is a retail/licensed based artwork is most likely. The latter are often character collages like these, and usually when a leak emerges it is merchandise related. There will almost certainly be an official teaser poster at celebration but it will probably be a lot more minimal than this.

I do agree. It’s possible that this could be some promotional material for Star Wars Celebration this year, but the concept of C-3PO with Chewbacca’s bowcaster and bandolier doesn’t seem like an idea that Luacsfilm was make use of in any content these days. This is why it could be possible that someone made a poster themselves to troll fans online.

JJ does love giving other people Chewie’s bowcaster. It’s a comical image, but then again 3PO is a comical character. It’d be weird but I could see a scene where it happens. Doubt they’d put it on a poster, but that might just explain more why this is probably a merchandising thing - there’s going to be a 3PO + bowcaster toy.

I understand, but I can’t see someone like J.J. Abrams giving someone like C-3PO, who is a comic relief character, unlike Han and Chewie. Coming up with an idea like this is similar as to when George Lucas revealed that R2-D2 could fly in the prequels. I feel that the lowest point in the entire saga is having Threepio’s head and body exchanged with a battle droid in Attack of the Clones.

We have no idea the context. I’d argue that giving 3PO a blaster isn’t inherently a bad idea because who knows how it might play out. R2 rockets is weird because he never uses them in the OT. 3PO battle droid is the saga’s lowpoint, I agree, but not due to the mere fact that he was holding a blaster. Save your complaints for later when they might be more justified.

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That TIE Interceptor with two triangular wings bugs me. It looks cool, but it has even less visibility than the standard TIE fighter which already has bad visibility.

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DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

If it is a real piece of artwork made at Lucasfilm, and it was a work in progress poster for some potential scrapped ideas, I believe this poster will not be used as promotional material close to around December. This looks like something that could be put in The Art of Episode IX book when it comes out. Or, it could just be a really well put together fake poster that someone made.

No, it’s highly unlikely that this would appear in the Art of book. It’s not concept art, it’s using legit promotional photography of the actors in costume. For it to be fan made would be nearly impossible, for it to be a poster concept would be highly improbable. That it is an official poster is possible, and that it is a retail/licensed based artwork is most likely. The latter are often character collages like these, and usually when a leak emerges it is merchandise related. There will almost certainly be an official teaser poster at celebration but it will probably be a lot more minimal than this.

I do agree. It’s possible that this could be some promotional material for Star Wars Celebration this year, but the concept of C-3PO with Chewbacca’s bowcaster and bandolier doesn’t seem like an idea that Luacsfilm was make use of in any content these days. This is why it could be possible that someone made a poster themselves to troll fans online.

JJ does love giving other people Chewie’s bowcaster. It’s a comical image, but then again 3PO is a comical character. It’d be weird but I could see a scene where it happens. Doubt they’d put it on a poster, but that might just explain more why this is probably a merchandising thing - there’s going to be a 3PO + bowcaster toy.

I understand, but I can’t see someone like J.J. Abrams giving someone like C-3PO, who is a comic relief character, unlike Han and Chewie. Coming up with an idea like this is similar as to when George Lucas revealed that R2-D2 could fly in the prequels. I feel that the lowest point in the entire saga is having Threepio’s head and body exchanged with a battle droid in Attack of the Clones.

We have no idea the context. I’d argue that giving 3PO a blaster isn’t inherently a bad idea because who knows how it might play out. R2 rockets is weird because he never uses them in the OT. 3PO battle droid is the saga’s lowpoint, I agree, but not due to the mere fact that he was holding a blaster. Save your complaints for later when they might be more justified.

It’s possible that there could be a scene where maybe Chewie or Poe give Threepio the weapon to use, and he tells them that he’s not programmed to attack with a weapon, and maybe lets out one good lucky shot from the bowcaster. A brief little scene like that could work nicely and be funny, but I don’t think a short moment such as that would be added to a poster. Not to mention, it would be a bit of a spoiler.

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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Zachary VIII said:

That TIE Interceptor with two triangular wings bugs me. It looks cool, but it has even less visibility than the standard TIE fighter which already has bad visibility.

Agree with this, too.

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SilverWook said:

Fish face guy looks like a rejected design from my favorite Joe Dante film.

I was going to say the same!

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This definitely appears to be a real promotional image of some kind.

It sucks to see that Kylo will be wearing the mask again at some point. I’m going to assume (see: hope) it will be in a very limited capacity. It was already done to great effect in TFA, but that’s over now and the mask serves little purpose going forward. JJ would be a complete idiot to hide the face of his lead actor behind a mask again for half the movie.

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ChainsawAsh said:

Zachary VIII said:

That TIE Interceptor with two triangular wings bugs me. It looks cool, but it has even less visibility than the standard TIE fighter which already has bad visibility.

Agree with this, too.

Fortunately for me, this is something I literally never considered about TIE fighters and I don’t think I’ll start caring about that sort of thing any time soon.

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I like the contrast with TLJ’s poster. That poster had a black background, while this one has a white one. Maybe that symbolizes that this will be more upbeat than TLJ. Looks like none of the Knights of Ren will have lightsabers, which might be good if you don’t want them to be a generic Sith/Inquisitor rip off.

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Zachary VIII said:

That TIE Interceptor with two triangular wings bugs me. It looks cool, but it has even less visibility than the standard TIE fighter which already has bad visibility.

Agree with this, too.

Fortunately for me, this is something I literally never considered about TIE fighters and I don’t think I’ll start caring about that sort of thing any time soon.

Good for you.

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Zachary VIII said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Zachary VIII said:

That TIE Interceptor with two triangular wings bugs me. It looks cool, but it has even less visibility than the standard TIE fighter which already has bad visibility.

Agree with this, too.

Fortunately for me, this is something I literally never considered about TIE fighters and I don’t think I’ll start caring about that sort of thing any time soon.

Good for you.

I mean it’s a movie. It’s fantasy, why should something like that matter? You could pick any number of logic holes in ship designs or whatever if you wanted to. The series has never cared about that sort of thing.

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DominicCobb said:

Zachary VIII said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Zachary VIII said:

That TIE Interceptor with two triangular wings bugs me. It looks cool, but it has even less visibility than the standard TIE fighter which already has bad visibility.

Agree with this, too.

Fortunately for me, this is something I literally never considered about TIE fighters and I don’t think I’ll start caring about that sort of thing any time soon.

Good for you.

I mean it’s a movie. It’s fantasy, why should something like that matter? You could pick any number of logic holes in ship designs or whatever if you wanted to. The series has never cared about that sort of thing.

Fair enough. I just think the ship designs are one of the more grounded elements where you can talk about their effectiveness and compare their roles. That’s why there’s a bunch of visual encyclopedias with specs and internal diagrams for the spaceships.

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A higher quality version of the poster:

HQ poster

I just realized that Threepio also has Rey’s staff. How a droid with no arm mobility could use it is beyond me.

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DominicCobb said:

Zachary VIII said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Zachary VIII said:

That TIE Interceptor with two triangular wings bugs me. It looks cool, but it has even less visibility than the standard TIE fighter which already has bad visibility.

Agree with this, too.

Fortunately for me, this is something I literally never considered about TIE fighters and I don’t think I’ll start caring about that sort of thing any time soon.

Good for you.

I mean it’s a movie. It’s fantasy, why should something like that matter? You could pick any number of logic holes in ship designs or whatever if you wanted to. The series has never cared about that sort of thing.

You’re right. I wouldn’t nitpick about anything so small here, especially TIE fighter designs

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Zachary VIII said:

DominicCobb said:

Zachary VIII said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Zachary VIII said:

That TIE Interceptor with two triangular wings bugs me. It looks cool, but it has even less visibility than the standard TIE fighter which already has bad visibility.

Agree with this, too.

Fortunately for me, this is something I literally never considered about TIE fighters and I don’t think I’ll start caring about that sort of thing any time soon.

Good for you.

I mean it’s a movie. It’s fantasy, why should something like that matter? You could pick any number of logic holes in ship designs or whatever if you wanted to. The series has never cared about that sort of thing.

Fair enough. I just think the ship designs are one of the more grounded elements where you can talk about their effectiveness and compare their roles. That’s why there’s a bunch of visual encyclopedias with specs and internal diagrams for the spaceships.

I definitely enjoy things like visual dictionaries and cross sections but to me it’s a separate kind of enjoyment. The films are what they are and then those come next as fluffy little explainers. There’s plenty of things in the films that doesn’t really make sense that you just roll with because it’s cool (like how are walkers the most effective approach exactly?). If anything to me it kinda makes the additional materials more fun in their own way to see how they try to fix or rationalize things (like the Falcon interior being too big, or the astromechs not fitting in Naboo fighters, etc.).

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I just realized that Threepio also has Rey’s staff. How a droid with no arm mobility could use it is beyond me.

At first I just thought that was just a Knight of Ren’s weapon sticking up but no, you’re right, he’s got it slung around his shoulder. With that considered, it honestly kinda looks like he’s just carrying Rey and Chewie’s stuff (he doesn’t even have his hand on the bowcaster’s grip).

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There’s a bunch of stuff that means it’s probably legit, but there’s also some weird resolution issues that make it seem like a temporary layout or something. Either that or someone took a bunch of marketing images form elsewhere and slapped it together.

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StarkillerAG said:

A higher quality version of the poster:

I just realized that Threepio also has Rey’s staff. How a droid with no arm mobility could use it is beyond me.

So I’m thinking that Threepio isn’t actually using any of the weapons. He’s either carrying or delivering them to Rey and Chewie. Maybe they’re being pinned down by stormtrooper fire and it’s up to poor Threepio to shuffle across the battlefield and give them their weapons so they can fight back. It would be a pretty amusing scene, but I’m not sure why it’s so important as to be on the poster.

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Perhaps they go somewhere where they have to leave their weapons outside and 3PO has to hold them and wait outside… echoing the cantina in ANH. And then his head gets knocked off and a Battledroid comes along and…

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Could just be a misdirection.

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Zachary VIII said:

StarkillerAG said:

A higher quality version of the poster:

I just realized that Threepio also has Rey’s staff. How a droid with no arm mobility could use it is beyond me.

So I’m thinking that Threepio isn’t actually using any of the weapons. He’s either carrying or delivering them to Rey and Chewie. Maybe they’re being pinned down by stormtrooper fire and it’s up to poor Threepio to shuffle across the battlefield and give them their weapons so they can fight back. It would be a pretty amusing scene, but I’m not sure why it’s so important as to be on the poster.

That’s a really good prediction as to why Threepio is carrying Rey and Chewie’s weapons, Zach.

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If the poster is real, having Threepio carrying the weapons would probably go along well with the things Anthony Daniels has been saying about his role in the film.

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Mocata said:

There’s a bunch of stuff that means it’s probably legit, but there’s also some weird resolution issues that make it seem like a temporary layout or something. Either that or someone took a bunch of marketing images form elsewhere and slapped it together.

The version I posted was recreated by blending higher-quality partial images of the poster with the blurry full poster. That’s where the resolution issues come from.

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