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The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome). — Page 65

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RogueLeader said:

So you used alternate takes for that? Pretty interesting.

One thing I noticed though, you said you flipped shots when necessary, but I noticed a few shots of Obi-Wan around the 40-50 sec mark breaking the 180. For one shot he is on one side of the frame and then in the next he’s on the other side. Also, when Vader says, “You should not have come back.” That shot is also on the opposite side of the generally established 180. Is this intentional to make the duel feel more chaotic?

I noticed how you have him do that spin to fake his movement to the opposite side to Vader and I think that works.
But I personally think you should flip those shots to match the 180. If you flipped them for continuity, I wouldn’t worry about it, because your audience would notice the 180 break before they would notice someone’s hands positioned on their lightsaber differently or the buttons on Vader’s chestbox being on the wrong side. Besides, this version still has a continuity error, with the saber mark on the wall being visible before Vader ever hits the wall.

Also, I like the use of some of the new saber sounds, but there are some I think that are a little too much. There is one that you use a few times that sounds like someone dipping hot metal into water, or sorta like a tire screeching. Don’t know how else to describe it but I feel like it doesn’t fit. Maybe it is just me and its because I know they weren’t there originally, so probably not a big deal.

Also, I noticed you used a saber ignition sound at one point in the middle of the fight, I actually think it is the sound specifically used for Vader’s saber, which I was going to suggest you use instead of the more generic saber ignitions used for Obi and Luke. If you go back and watch the Bespin duel you can hear the difference between Luke’s and Vader’s.

Anyway, just a couple of thoughts.

Snooker, I can get it was a pain to track. Still not perfect but it definitely looks more like the ST style of the blade.

Honestly, I really like how Luke’s saber seemed more Cyan than Blue in the first movie. It kind of differentiated it from all the other blue sabers. But if you were to try to make the blade consistent through all the films, it would be easier to make that cyan to blue rather than the opposite, since it is blue more.

Yeah I noticed that also on the “you should not have come back” feels a bit off off but vader is correct as in he should be flopped so it might be that I missed something there. It could be Kenobi is incorrect or we may have another missing shot or rearrangement. Or if I have not missed anything and this was how it was shot and because it feels a small bit dizzy as we do this 180 quite a few times this was perhaps the reason for flipping the shots in the duel. Potentially you could flip Vaders chest plate and keep him the same perhaps as an alternative but that is perhaps cheating.

The sound effects were more a demonstration that actually call that final but i think the Vader igniting sound may very well be part of the original mix.

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That is really cool. I feel like it would take quite a bit of time to do this for the entire OT.

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RogueLeader said:

That is really cool. I feel like it would take quite a bit of time to do this for the entire OT.

Yeah, definitely.

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snooker said:

More Disney-styled sabers:

https://streamable.com/s2z9b

Well you just showed me where that shot goes… But I have got it to a point where it makes complete sense now as in the Backgrounds stay the same and the orientation is correct but it is a bit shorter.

The Trade off being it can have many re-used takes and make little sense (Original edit)

it can be shorter in a different order and make complete sense.

So i have got it there pretty much now… Why not do the rotoscope for the alternate take? Looks like you have the ability to do it and the software…

Only 4 seconds…

I am sure there would be 100’s of people who would like to have those shots of Obiwan stumble and Vader Vicously swinging the saber available in finished form.

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Long have I pondered the Binary Sunset shot in Star Wars… Here is my definitive Take on what happened and a Color Scheme and a DIY Kit of Matte and Mock up.

This is a sky and Sand Replacement Matte.

Color Scheme for twin suns and fixed Brighter Sun

Mock up of Final Composite. Looks as though the twin suns shots was meant to be integrated into the Shot with Luke. The Scale of the Hill and the Clouds would be correct and this is a color scheme that I also feel makes sense. I think they may have struggled to integrate the twin suns into the live action so It became just plant a fake sun in the shot rather than actually use the Matte shot integrated.

I hope you like it but this shot is now finally settled in my mind.

Scaled different but definitely better bigger or Larger suns than the Original

Reference

Docking Bay 327 Replacement Matte

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(Unfinished) Disney-styled Hyperspace effect:

https://streamable.com/8qgaa

I added the missing support beam.

I noticed in Solo that you could see the Falcon’s hull through the cockpit, which makes sense, so I added it. I also added some window smudges.

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Is there any way to briefly sneak ‘Han’s theme’ from Solo into this movie? I’m really can’t think of anything.

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How about when Han runs down the hall chasing the Stormtroopers? It could be very brief cameo of that motif, and feel motivated since he’s acting all “heroic”. Then when he runs away the music could just go back to the original score.

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snooker said:

Is there any way to briefly sneak ‘Han’s theme’ from Solo into this movie? I’m really can’t think of anything.

You could briefly snippet a quieter rendition for the Falcon’s intro. Haven’t listened to the Solo soundtrack in awhile though so can’t think of a bit that would work there off the top of my head. (Personally, I like the idea, but probably not worth the effort.)

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snooker said:

I’ve finished this scene except for the behind the back shot.

https://streamable.com/32qr5

Frame-by-frame masking sucks really hard.

Really digging it.

If I had to nitpick, I’d say you might have gone a bit too far with the contrast. Also, the strobing doesn’t seem to quite match what we see in the Disney films. Yours kinda seems like a slight flickering while in TFA (at least) it’s more aggressive, with much of the blue light coming and going (though of course most TFA instances aren’t straight dialogue scenes like the one you’re doing, so granted TFA is a bit more crazy than you’d probably want).

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That’s wonderful. I wonder if the background for the behind the back shot could be changed without having to start over. Comparing it to similar shots in TFA, this one has a rather large and well defined white center. I suspect that shot will be somewhat strange in any event since it’s so sustained and calm. Perhaps some slight shuddering may help it.

If it’d be helpful, I’d be happy to generate appropriate audio for the scene. I mean, I’d have to anyway. 😛

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I can definitely still change that shot. Do you mean shudder to the camera or to the tunnel element?

If it’d be helpful, I’d be happy to generate appropriate audio for the scene. I mean, I’d have to anyway. 😛

That would be lovely!

JEDIT: I just noticed a little mistake:

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I was thinking shudder added to the hyperspace backdrop, so it seems like less of a screensaver and more like something the ship is enduring traveling through. The camera doesn’t need to jostle or anything, because it’s presumably locked down to the interior of the falcon, and none of the characters or interior objects are rattling.

I agree about the contrast perhaps being a bit exaggerated in your preview clip.

What is your source for the background hyperspace element?

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I can’t find a better one on YouTube anyway, but I wonder if it could be doctored to correspond more closely to the new films’ depiction. Theirs seems more cloudy and with less of a defined center area dead ahead.

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That’s the only official ‘clean’ version of the tunnel that’s ever been released as far as I know.

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snooker said:

That’s the only official ‘clean’ version of the tunnel that’s ever been released as far as I know.

And it’ll do just fine in the context of ANH, which makes TFA look like a cocaine addict at times. 😉

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I’ve seen that tunnel effect, and while it’s nice, it’s not really accurate at all to the ones in the Disney films.