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All things are possible when it comes to fan-edits including getting a lookalike to walk forward and then rotoscope them into the ROTJ background
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I would just say “What?”, but I’d be repeating myself. What are talking about, 4throck? What’s confusing?
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I would just say “What?”, but I’d be repeating myself. What are talking about, 4throck? What’s confusing?
Life is confusing.
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This is slightly confusing:
- Luke senses Vader on Endor and goes to him.
- But we only see Vader landing after that!
It’s obvious the scenes where intended on a different sequence. Something like:
- After 3CPO’s God scene, we cut to Vader landing (at dusk).
- Normal Ewok village scenes. Luke notices Vader’s presence. If you look at Luke’s expressions during 3CPO’s story, it’s clear he is distracted. (night).
- Luke talks with Leia and goes to Vader (early dawn).
- Imperial walker closeup, then platform scenes with Luke and Vader as normal (light here also implies dawn).
I’ve edited it like this and it works. You need to show time passing, otherwise Luke leaves in a rush.
Here’s what I have (along with many many edits, like no Han when Luke leaves Leia and WIP color correction 😉 )
https://streamable.com/sf27l
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Has anyone ever tried to have Obi-wan say “Was I any different when Qui-Gon trained me” in ESB? One would think it wouldn’t be too hard to have Guinness say that, considering a certain other movie he was in.
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Has anyone ever tried to have Obi-wan say “Was I any different when Qui-Gon trained me” in ESB? One would think it wouldn’t be too hard to have Guinness say that, considering a certain other movie he was in.
This very much this
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Has anyone ever tried to have Obi-wan say “Was I any different when Qui-Gon trained me” in ESB? One would think it wouldn’t be too hard to have Guinness say that, considering a certain other movie he was in.
As someone who’s never seen Alec Guinness in anything but Star Wars, which movie would that be?
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Bridge on the River Kwai
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Lately I’ve been wondering if it’s at all possible to re-edit TESB into the concluding chapter of a SW Duology — ie. remove the loose ends which set up a sequel and make ROTJ completely irrelevant.
First things first, Han would have to die; I imagine that could be accomplished easily enough with some trimmed dialogue/footage. But I imagine the ending would have to be restructured a tad as well; I have no ideas on that front.
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Well you would have to find a way to conclude the Vader conflict and a way to tie everything else up.
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You’d probably have to have Luke die as well and end it with Leia and Lando escaping. Not sure how satisfying that would be as a conclusion.
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Being the second part of a three-part story is woven pretty deep into Empire’s writing, I don’t think it would even be possible to edit it into being the final part of the Originals, at least not without adding significant footage from Return of the Jedi.
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You could combine ESB and ROTJ:
It is a dark time for the
Rebellion. Although the
Death Star has been all but
destroyed, the Rebellion is
scattered to the far reaches
of the galaxy by the dreaded
Imperial Starfleet.
Guided by the voice of
his master, Luke Skywalker
journeys in search of Yoda,
a warrior with the power
to defeat the Emperor and
his sinister agents.
With the Starfleet deployed
against Skywalker and his
friends, Darth Vader awaits
the arrival of his dark
master aboard the Empire’s
ultimate weapon…
-Open with the Emperor arriving on the Death Star, where they talk of Vader resuming his search for Skywalker. Omit talk of Luke getting stronger. Cut to establishing shot of Emperor’s tower, and Vader asking of the reports of the Rebel fleet massing near Sullust. The Emperor dismisses this talk and tells Vader to go to the command ship.
-Luke arrives on Dagobah, and meets Yoda.
-Establish Hoth, and Han deciding to leave. They discover the Probe droid and destroy it.
-On board the Command Ship, the Imperials find the Rebel Base. Vader doesn’t suggest that Luke is there.
-The Rebels evacuate the base under duress, without Luke’s presence (This incidentally avoids the issue of Luke escaping with ease while his friends are chased).
-The asteroid chase is cut, going straight into docking on the Star Destroyer bridge. There is no Emperor hologram, since he’s already been established.
-Luke trains, fails, etc etc.
-Much is the same until the Carbonite, where Han dies.
-Shortened fight with Vader, leading to the revelation and the end of Act 2.
-There is a single establishing shot of Yoda’s hut, and a robed figure materializes out of the mist in front of it, making its way forward as darkness surrounds the hut.
-Vader returns to the Death Star, using the scene from the beginning of ROTJ, shortened to simply that Vader will motivate the workers.
-Luke returns to Dagobah to find Yoda already in bed and at death’s door. He admits that Vader is the father, then insists that Luke not underestimate the powers of the Emperor. Luke’s sister is not mentioned.
-The fleet is assembled, and Mothma explains the attack. Han is not present, and it is edited to make it seem like Leia is joining Lando’s attack force. Luke joins as well. They take off in the shuttle.
-The landing and speeder chase happen, sans Han. Leia meets the Ewoks, who recognize her from the Rebel base previously on the planet.
-There is no roasting of Luke and Chewie, instead 3-PO tells the story and they are admitted to the tribe, then Luke and Leia discuss Luke’s parentage. Luke turns himself in.
-The ending happens pretty much the same, except without Han.
There could be a short version of this, however:
-Emperor’s arrival on the Death Star
-Events of ESB as described above, except that Luke allows himself to be taken prisoner by Vader after the revelation.
-Leia and Lando escape with the help of R2.
-Closeups of Luke in the Bacta tank, colored with an evil red light signifying Vader’s dark purposes for him.
-Vader returns to the Death Star to much fanfare, cutting right to Vader and Luke in the elevator to the tower. Vader hands a lightsaber to the Emperor, but this is Obi-wan’s blue lightsaber, not Luke’s. Luke says that he’ll soon be dead, and the Emperor suspects that there is an imminent attack, which then emerges from hyperspace.
-The shield around the station is generated from within. As the Imperial fleet engages the Rebels, the Emperor orders the station to fire, destroying a capital ship.
-As the ships keep going down, Luke becomes more and more angry, until he attacks the Emperor. They fight and then Luke disengages, going into hiding.
-Vader reads Luke’s thoughts, saying ‘Your feelings for them are strong, especially for…’ (We see an image of Leia, and the exact Rebel ship which holds her. ‘…so, your feelings have now betrayed her too.’ Luke snaps, cutting of Vader’s hand. He then realizes what he has done, looking at the hand that Vader bequeathed him, which in this version is cold, metallic, and lifeless.
-Ackbar orders the Command Ship be brought down. When it crashes into the station, it does enough damage to shut down the shield protecting the station. The fighters go in.
-Vader is redeemed, the Emperor defeated, Luke escapes, the station explodes for good, and Luke takes Vader into the forest on Yavin 4 for a proper funeral.
-The final scene is from ESB, where Luke gets a more human hand and Lando leaves in the Falcon, now truly redeemed by his heroic acts. He could even be searching for Han, if it is decided that he doesn’t die in Carbonite.
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I think this could work but perhaps leave Leia as the sister and show Sebastian Shaw as the ghost in the end with the end following this. You could call it the Harrison Ford cut where Han dies and there is no sequel.
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It’s very very hard to cut around Han in Jedi. Believe me, I’ve tried. He does a lot of the action and has a lot of the exposition.
I remember toying around with having Han getting saved AFTER the Battle of Endor, but it messed with the flow too much.
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I remember toying around with having Han getting saved AFTER the Battle of Endor, but it messed with the flow too much.
For a more stylish ending: Luke wlaks into the palace, meets Jabba for the first time, and offfering profit or destruction. Jabba laughs it off. Luke’s “you’re making a mistake” line is inserted, and he then reaches for the blaster and the screen goes black.
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It’s very very hard to cut around Han in Jedi. Believe me, I’ve tried. He does a lot of the action and has a lot of the exposition.
I remember toying around with having Han getting saved AFTER the Battle of Endor, but it messed with the flow too much.
Yeah, I don’t think it’s possible to make the Endor scenes work without Han. What do you think of the condensed idea, where the Shield Generator subplot is dropped entirely?
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A better question is whether the Endor scenes could be done without LUKE.
Then the series could end with the bittersweet rumored original ending of Luke walking off into the desert, alone.
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A better question is whether the Endor scenes could be done without LUKE.
Then the series could end with the bittersweet rumored original ending of Luke walking off into the desert, alone.
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This is slightly confusing:
- Luke senses Vader on Endor and goes to him.
- But we only see Vader landing after that!
It’s obvious the scenes where intended on a different sequence. Something like:
- After 3CPO’s God scene, we cut to Vader landing (at dusk).
- Normal Ewok village scenes. Luke notices Vader’s presence. If you look at Luke’s expressions during 3CPO’s story, it’s clear he is distracted. (night).
- Luke talks with Leia and goes to Vader (early dawn).
- Imperial walker closeup, then platform scenes with Luke and Vader as normal (light here also implies dawn).
I’ve edited it like this and it works. You need to show time passing, otherwise Luke leaves in a rush.
Here’s what I have (along with many many edits, like no Han when Luke leaves Leia and WIP color correction 😉 )
https://streamable.com/sf27l
i disagree.you see the shuttle landing and the at-at is arrive.
we all know luke is in there.
how long would vader wait for luke?hours??
luke arrives at the moment vader is landing.that should be not changend.only my 2 cents…🙊
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benduwan said:
how long would vader wait for luke?hours??
I’m taking the Emperor’s commands literally:
EMPEROR: Then you must go to the Sanctuary Moon and wait for them.
VADER: (skeptical) He will come to me?
EMPEROR: I have foreseen it. His compassion for you will be his undoing. He will come to you and then you will bring him before me.
Also Luke’s conversation with Leia:
LUKE: Vader is here…now, on this moon.
LEIA (alarmed): How do you know?
LUKE: I felt his presence. He’s come for me.
So Vader is on the Moon before C3PO tells the story and really waits for hours.
Remember that Vader is being played by the Emperor.
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benduwan said:
how long would vader wait for luke?hours??I’m taking the Emperor’s commands literally:
EMPEROR: Then you must go to the Sanctuary Moon and wait for them.
VADER: (skeptical) He will come to me?
EMPEROR: I have foreseen it. His compassion for you will be his undoing. He will come to you and then you will bring him before me.Also Luke’s conversation with Leia:
LUKE: Vader is here…now, on this moon.
LEIA (alarmed): How do you know?
LUKE: I felt his presence. He’s come for me.So Vader is on the Moon before C3PO tells the story and really waits for hours.
Remember that Vader is being played by the Emperor.
than you should remove the incoming at-at when vader lands…
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“Good work, Commander.”
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Great, I really like how the colors match! And it fits the prequels much better.
Looking really really forward to see how this goes!
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Very yes
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