i like the idea too, but i like the “you’re sounding like a separatist!” scene, so i’m not sure if that’d be one to be cut.
100% gives it away that Anakin is the Jedi she’s talking about, although to be honest, I’m not buying that the audience would legitimately believe it wasn’t Anakin, just because of the specific wording she uses.
In my suggested version, the “You’re sounding like a seperatist” scene would come before the deleted scene where Padmé suggests involving the Jedi. So since Padmé already tried to approach the subject with Anakin and he became defensive, I think it could lead the audience into thinking she was referring to someone else in the later scene, like Obi-Wan or Yoda.
So a brief order of scenes (skipping some):
And the movie continues as normal.
(Grievous speaking to Sidious and Anakin’s Nightmare could also be placed later in the film, maybe after Yoda, Obi and Mace’s gunship conversation. Haven’t really decided on this.)
And like I’ve mentioned, I would trim the deleted scene to end where the other senators seem open to the idea rather than Bail telling Padmé to wait, as well as the mention of the Petition of 200 in that scene. I would also remove the mention of regional governors from the Palpatine scene since it now takes place before he does that, and then remove Padmé defending Palpatine with the other senators at Bail’s apartment, because at this point she has already recognized the problem.
This could add more reasoning as to why Bail goes to the Jedi temple during the attack, and why he goes looking for Yoda and Obi-Wan. There would be the implication that Padmé has spoken to Obi-Wan offscreen (Anakin: Obi-Wan’s been here?) and has established the crucial link between this Alliance and the Jedi.
And the benefit of it being offscreen is that it helps us see the situation from Anakin’s perspective. At this point Palpatine has already planted seeds of doubt in Anakin regarding the Jedi and Padmé. So Anakin’s suspicions would only build if he feels like something is going on behind his back. Yes, Padmé says he came by her apartment to talk about Anakin and how stressed he is, but is that all they talked about?
And hopefully this build up could help rationalize his erratic behavior on Mustafar. Anakin might have doubted Padmé’s loyalty at brief moments, but kept faith because he was doing all of this to save her. So when it appears that Padmé brought Obi-Wan with her, all of Anakin’s fears, that have now been better set up, seem to have come true. His best friend and wife have come to kill him. Anakin has sacrificed all of these lives and turned the galaxy upside down for her, and this is what she does in return?
Obviously Anakin goes too far but I’m hoping his paranoia would better explain his reaction in this version of events.
On another note, I also found this relevant video discussing Padmé’s character in ROTS.
Basically, he suggests that rather than Padmé just losing the will to live, that due to complications, she has to make the choice between saving her own life or saving the twins.
It would be nice if she could make this choice using her own words, but probably the easiest way to do this would be the Hal-method, and create a new medical droid VO to deliver the necessary exposition, and state that the delivery process will be dangerous, and Padmé has chosen the lives of her children over her own.
I think it would be worth it, because it would give her character one final decision, and allow her the choice to make a sacrifice, not only for Luke and Leia but the future of the Rebellion.
And while realistically I do think it is rare for mother’s to have to make such a choice on the delivery table, it would at least be as equally, if not more believable, than “losing the will to live”. Yes, dying of a “broken heart” is possible, but I think this option would also better serve the narrative and do Padmé a little more justice. Although Padmé dying still falls into the trope of a female character’s death being used to drive the male character’s own narrative, at least it would allow Padmé to maintain some agency in the end.
So she goes from dying of a broken heart to dying because her heart…broke?
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if you take out the “she lost the will to live” line of dialogue, her death becomes pretty believable. i mean, it’s not unusual at all for mothers to die on childbirth. especially if you were strangled a couple of moments before and were under a lot of stress for the past couple of months.
if you take out the “she lost the will to live” line of dialogue, her death becomes pretty believable. i mean, it’s not unusual at all for mothers to die on childbirth. especially if you were strangled a couple of moments before and were under a lot of stress for the past couple of months.
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I agree! I’m just saying instead of just dying, Padmé could be given a choice between saving her own life or saving her children for actual medical reasons.
Haemorraging, placenta praevia, I don’t know exactly but I’m sure there have been moments where a mother would have to make such a decision in the delivery room.
For example, maybe what Anakin did to Padmé hurt her physically and induced the pregnancy prematurely. But because of Padmé’s condition, there’s a high risk giving birth now could kill her. They could either not risk Padmé’s life and let her miscarriage, or go through with it and try to save the babies.
“Having this operation now could kill her, but she wants to continue in order to save the babies.”
Does that make sense? We’re just addressing that there was a difficult decision that Padmé had to make.
Most edits cut out the “losing the will to live” line regardless. Her dying in childbirth for medical reasons is a given in most edits. I’m just saying that let the risky childbirth be presented as a clear choice between her children’s lives and her own in order to give Padmé a final moment of agency in a film where she barely has any.
EDIT: Padmé wasn’t in a stable condition, but if her babies don’t come out now, they’ll die. But if she goes through with the operation now, it could kill her. Just presenting a basic choice that gives Padmé one last decision to make that has a greater impact on the entire saga. She could have waited and lived, but by sacrificing her own life to save her children, she’s allowed hope for the future to survive.
Give her a chestburster. Problem solved.
has anyone ever been able to edit Obi-Wan vs Anakin in a way that keeps the part of the fight where they go lightsaber-less but removes the part where they’re just swinging the saber without even hitting each other?
i’ve been playing around with this idea but can’t figure a way to do it. it sucks because they’re the best and worst parts of the fight respectively imo, so i wish i could do it.
RE: rogueleader, i get what you’re saying and i actually think it’s a pretty cool idea.
You mean the part where Anakin and Obi-Wan are kicking each other on top of the table?
And thanks Collipso! I probably could have worded it better.
I just think if you combine this idea with a lot NFBism’s idea from his New Canon Cut where he adds little things to improve Anakin and Obi-Wan’s friendship and characterization could go a long way to help improve the movie.
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Wild stuff
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Cool mock up Anakin.
I also think you could do the same with Maul, and use him in most of Sidious’ scenes instead like you’ve done with Dooku. With both Maul and Dooku, you could possibly use lines from The Clone Wars where it might be appropriate, and cut those scenes liberally to the essentials.
Another thing I think would be a cool change to TPM would be to turn Qui-Gon and Maul’s first duel on Tatooine into a night/twilight scene. Seeing their lightsabers stand out in the dark would have a nice look, and maybe you could add a few of Tatooine’s moons and a few stars in the last shot of their ship flying away as Maul watches it.
You also might have to regrade some of the previous scenes to imply that dusk was approaching as well.
The idea is to make Dooku the equivalent of Vader or Kylo; a unifying villain for the trilogy. Maul, meanwhile, remains a villain-of-the-week.
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Here’s a hot take: Episode III would work fine without Anakin vs. Obi-Wan.
The idea is to make Maul the equivalent of Vader or Bane; a unifying villain for the trilogy. Kylo, meanwhile, remains a villain-of-the-week.
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Could you elaborate on that Snooker?
Other than the fight being overly choreographed and all that, I feel like Anakin and Obi-Wan’s talk next to the Star Destroyer being the last time they talk to each other before Episode IV would be more impactful (imo). Obi-Wan would watch the holotapes and be upset, but he wouldn’t talk to Padme about finding Anakin.
Huh, yeah, I see what you’re saying.
It wouldn’t necessarily contradict the OT because it never said they fought. I think we were all expecting it though because George had always talked about the battle over the volcano.
I just feel like realistically the movie wouldn’t work without that last battle. I think it would be possible to do, I just do think cutting it would make the movie better.
You could just end Padmé and Obi’s conversation earlier, and imply she goes into hiding with Obi’s help, maybe use bits from Hal’s ROTS ending. We don’t see Anakin transform into Vader, and I guess the audience would be left to assume it is a gradual transformation that happens as he hunts Jedi over the years or something.
But you would still have to find a way to have Obi-Wan get Anakin’s lightsaber.
But to me, the movie would have trouble working without that duel because it is sort of what the whole movie, if not the whole trilogy, has been building up to. And I think Obi-Wan being the one to do that to Anakin adds a little to the reason why he hates Obi-Wan.
Speaking of that scene with Anakin and Obi-Wan saying goodbye, I honestly think that whole conversation should be almost completely cut. To me, it feels like a conversation Anakin and/or Obi-Wan wish they would have had, rather than one they actually did. Especially since the next scene we seek them together, their dispositions toward each other is a complete 180.
You could just have Obi-Wan say something about a wild bantha chase, maybe they look at each other for a second, contemplating saying more, but they don’t. Obi-Wan turns to leave and Anakin says, “May the Force be with you.”
LordZerome1080, could you elaborate on what you said?
Also, you forgot to say FTFY.
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LordZerome1080, could you elaborate on what you said?
Also, you forgot to say FTFY.
Darth Maul is a far better villain than crylo ruin will ever be.
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I LOLed and oy’d at the same time.
I LOLed and oy’d at the same time.
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