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Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 158

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moviefreakedmind said:

yotsuya said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’ve made it pretty clear before that I don’t believe that anybody actually likes the Holiday Special. I know that’s really conspiratorial and ridiculous, but I refuse to believe that anybody claiming to enjoy the Holiday Special is telling me the truth.

I love it.

I don’t believe you. I’m sorry, I just can’t bring myself to believe that.

Believe it. I saw it on TV and then promptly had to get 4 Chebacca action figures so I could have the whole family. Even painted one to be older. I still enjoy watching it, though I now cringe at Harvey Corman. So much better than the droid or ewok cartoons or the two ewok movies.

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So much better than the droid or ewok cartoons or the two ewok movies.

Although I haven’t technically seen them, I find that hard to believe. I know they’re all bad, but surely the Holiday Special takes the cake for barely having any semblance of plot. Is it just laughable enough to be ironically better than those other things? I know there’s some bits that are so bad they’re good, but so much of it is just plain boring. Of course, I’m basing this mostly off of word of mouth and reviews. I’m not a masochist.

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I found the Ewok movies mediocre at worst. I can’t stomach the thought of watching The Holiday Special a third time.

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I’ve found clips of the special amusing in isolation, but have never watched the entire thing.

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When I sat down and watched it for the first time with my brother a few years ago, we weren’t expecting Korman’s blackface.

Nobody expects the blackface.

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snooker said:

When I sat down and watched it for the first time with my brother a few years ago, we weren’t expecting Korman’s blackface.

Nobody expects the blackface.

'Tis a thing of beauty, 'tis.

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snooker said:

I just think it’s lazy writing that Obi-Wan happens to be friends with the one guy who knows how to solve the mystery.

This is a weak argument. He’s friends with someone who he knows will be able to solve the mystery. There’s not any indication he’s the only one with such knowledge, and it’s common for law enforcement types to know people who know things about illicit things.

TV’s Frink said:

I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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Yeah, sure that works in real life, but in this movie it makes me think ‘isn’t that fucking convenient?’

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  1. Empire Strikes Back
  2. Star Wars
  3. Solo
  4. The Force Awakens
  5. Return of the Jedi
  6. The Phantom Menace
  7. Revenge of the Sith
  8. Rogue One
  9. Attack of the Clones
  10. The Last Jedi
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megamaxmx said:

  1. Attack of the Clones
  2. The Last Jedi

snooker said:

What the fuck.

“Get over violence, madness and death? What else is there?”

Also known as Mr. Liquid Jungle.

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At this point I don’t think you should be surprised by anyone putting TLJ last (no pun intended).

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I’ve re-watched all of them in the past two weeks. Here is my ranking based solely on how much I enjoyed watching each movie on this particular watch-through. If I was making a definitive list, I’d flip a couple of these, but this is how I’m feeling about the series right in this moment.

  1. Star Wars
  2. The Empire Strikes Back
  3. The Last Jedi
  4. The Force Awakens
  5. Solo
  6. Return of the Jedi
  7. Rogue One
  8. Attack of the Clones (go figure, huh)
  9. The Phantom Menace
  10. Revenge of the Sith
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Anakin Starkiller said:

At this point I don’t think you should be surprised by anyone putting TLJ last (no pun intended).

Indeed, the latest poll for worst Star Wars movie on the TFN boards shows 30% of voters vote for TLJ. It is also the favourite Star Wars movie for 20% of the voters in the favourite Star Wars movie poll.

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DrDre said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

At this point I don’t think you should be surprised by anyone putting TLJ last (no pun intended).

Indeed, the latest poll for worst Star Wars movie on the TFN boards shows 30% of voters vote for TLJ. It is also the favourite Star Wars movie for 20% of the voters in the favourite Star Wars movie poll.

if we’re talking about the same poll, for ‘least favorite’ we have TLJ first with 35% of votes, then AotC with 20.4% followed by TFA with 20% and TPM with 17%. the rest barely have any votes. for favorite TESB is first with 35.5%, RotS is second with 21.5% and SW and TLJ are third, both with 11.2%.

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At this point the only thing in last place that would surprise me is either the original or ESB.

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Best to Worst

  1. Attack of the Clones
  2. Phantom Menace
  3. Revenge of the Sith
  4. The Last Jedi
  5. The Force Awakens
  6. Return of the Jedi
  7. The Empire Strikes Back
  8. A New Hope
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woah! i’d never seen the OT at the bottom before. rogueleader, care to share your thoughts? i’m really interested in reading what you have to say.

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I think he just did it backward. Least to most instead of most to least, but Markdown doesn’t let you number like that.

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suspiciouscoffee said:

I think he just did it backward. Least to most instead of most to least, but Markdown doesn’t let you number like that.

i thought of that, but i really wanted to listen to someone who ranks the movies that way share their thoughts, so i gave him the benefit (or not) of the doubt.

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DrDre said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

At this point I don’t think you should be surprised by anyone putting TLJ last (no pun intended).

Indeed, the latest poll for worst Star Wars movie on the TFN boards shows 30% of voters vote for TLJ. It is also the favourite Star Wars movie for 20% of the voters in the favourite Star Wars movie poll.

TFN. There’s an as-if random sampling scheme if I ever saw one, lol.

TV’s Frink said:

I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

DrDre said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

At this point I don’t think you should be surprised by anyone putting TLJ last (no pun intended).

Indeed, the latest poll for worst Star Wars movie on the TFN boards shows 30% of voters vote for TLJ. It is also the favourite Star Wars movie for 20% of the voters in the favourite Star Wars movie poll.

There’s an as-if random sampling scheme if I ever saw one, lol.

Well, have you?

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Worst to Best: Explained

  1. A New Hope

"I was utterly underwhelmed by “A New Hope,” impressed solely by the world-making of the script—the delivery of a ready-made but minor mythology—but neither moved nor fascinated nor at all delighted by the filmmaking. Rather, I was shocked—that the director of “American Graffiti” could have constrained himself to create such a turgid, stilted, flat, and textureless movie.” - Richard Brody, The New Yorker

The palette of Hollywood in the 70s, that had for the past few years been introducing avant-garde storytelling to a wider audience, now was doomed with the release of Lucas’ original space-fantasy. Being one of the first blockbusters, it became such a phenomenon that it laid the groundwork for all of the mind-numbing films that we associate with the term “blockbuster movies” for the next 40 years. Lucas, ironically, played a part of the banality of modern Hollywood, filled with dull stories, like seeing the same superhero plot with a new coat each year, and actions films that try to numb the mind with the overstimulation of the senses.

7 & 6. The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi

“Empire” and “Jedi” had nothing parodistic; their absurd earnestness and the bombastic banality of their direction (by Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand, respectively) are a perfect match for the oppressive, hectoring John Williams scores that accompanied them. If there was nostalgic, faux-naïve whimsy in Lucas’s inaugural installment of “Star Wars,” it was gone from “Empire” and “Jedi,” replaced by a hegemonic bellow for devotion and belief.” - Brody

ESB can’t decide if it is a serious movie or a silly one. It is sort of a mess with no solid conclusion, making a film that can’t really stand on its own. I tend to agree with the thoughts here if you’d like to know more: http://www.simplysyndicated.com/why-empire-strikes-back-sucks-gundark-poodoo/

ROTJ, while repeating many of the same mistakes as the original Star Wars film, this is really where the idea of Vader as a sympathetic character is developed.

The only redeeming quality of these films are the elements of Darth Vader’s redemption the introduced to the saga, a twist that made the films grow beyond mere “adventure films”. They really have nothing else to offer beyond this, save for some of Yoda’s philosophical preaching.

5 & 4. Force Awakens and the Last Jedi
With The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, they’re both just okay. No strong feelings either way about them. They are not as imaginative as Lucas’ prequels, but there is considerable effort to address the legacy of a character like Vader. Even though that twist allowed for the beautiful tale Lucas created in his prequels, they did present a problem with the idea that only one family could really effect the destiny of this galaxy. But with the new character of Rey, we have a character who is clearly a nobody in Episode 7 and we get to see her come to accept that she has no destiny. But, it is a strong message that she has to make her own destiny, and Rey, just like anyone, can make a real difference. The story of Rey and Kylo Ren are the most interesting aspects of these new films, with Finn and Rose being my second favorites if they can conclude their arc in 8 appropriately in the next film. I’m sure IX will fit into the middle of my list as well, especially if they can devise a conclusion with Ben Solo returning to Leia that reflects Anakin leaving his own mother at the beginning of this saga.

  1. Revenge of the Sith

"The labyrinthine opening shot of “Revenge of the Sith”— of Anakin and Obi-Wan giving chase to Dooku through the space vehicles on the planet of Coruscant—is a mighty and audacious gauntlet-throw, the digital equivalent of the opening shot of Orson Welles’s “Touch of Evil.” It wheels and gyrates and zips and pivots with a vertiginous wonder that declares, from the beginning, that Lucas had big visual ideas and was about to realize them with a heroically inventive virtuosity. And the rest of the movie follows through on that self-dare.

If I had seen “Revenge of the Sith” in real time, in a theatre upon its release, in 2005, I think that, at the moment when Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid), sizzling in the blue lightning that Mace Windu (Samuel L. Jackson) reflects back at him, cries out to Anakin (Hayden Christensen), “Power! Unlimited Power!,” I would have leaped out of my seat yelling with excitement. The entire movie is filled with an absolute splendor of the pulp sublime, and that moment is its very apogee. Lucas reaches historic heights in the filming of action: the martial artistry of Anakin and Obi-Wan’s double duel versus Dooku, the gaping maw of outer space and of the airshaft into which the heroic duo drops, Obi-Wan’s light-sabre fight with the four-armed Grievous, and, above all, the apocalyptic inferno of the confrontation of Obi-Wan and Anakin (which, regrettably, cuts back to Yoda and Emperor, a much duller battle). I watched these sequences over and over—happily, with the sound off to get rid of the musical score—and was repeatedly and unflaggingly amazed by Lucas’s precise, dynamic, wildly imaginative direction.

The scripted politics of the conflicts have a grand imagination to match. What Lucas brings to the script of “Clones” and Sith” is a quasi- (or pseudo-) Shakespearean backroom dialectic of power-maneuvering. The dialogue is just heightened and sententious enough, just sufficiently rhetorical, to convey the grave moment of ideas in conflict and the grand mortal results of that dialectical clash—the making of a villain and the unmaking of a republic.” - Brody

Also, see Camille Puglia’s thoughts on ROTS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibkmh72_1pw

  1. The Phantom Menace
    Phantom Menace evolved the franchise in a way that other franchises seem to fail at. Unique and imaginative, instead of giving us more of what “the fans” wanted, George decided to tell a story that grew beyond what the original Star Wars was meant to be. Instead of being a Flash Gordon-ripoff that tells an over-simplistic fairy tale, George set out to decontextualize this saga as a tragedy on the scales of Othello or Faust. He planted the seeds of a “Citizen Kane” in space. A young Anakin, bright-eyed and full of optimism, is taken away from his mother. The Jedi Order was nothing as fans had expected, instead, Lucas decided to portray them as a flawed order that practices non-attachment and have them represent a very unhealthy version of masculinity that inevitably leads Anakin to give in to his own fears and turn to evil.

#1 Attack of the Clones

"This peculiar contradiction began to resolve itself with the pleasures of “Attack of the Clones.” There, Lucas’s force awakens. The movie’s rich-hued palette alone is a jolt from the start, and the movie’s action scenes have an alluring, entrancing kinetic vigor and texture. The speeder chase with the paid assassin, with its swoops and spins and drops; Obi-Wan’s fight with Jango Fett; and the serial duels with Count Dooku—all of these display balletic gracefulness and dazzling rapidity along with closely-textured compositions in depth, surprising pictorial imbalances, and angles that are as expressive as they are surprising. The colossal scale of the assembled clones toward the end of the film has an awe-inspiring power greater than anything in any of the four films that preceded it. My hypothesis is that digital technology caught up to Lucas’s imagination. Finally, by 2002, digital technology, which he had begun to use in “The Phantom Menace,” liberated him from the limits of optical effects and, by means of C.G.I., could create the fusion of live action and animation that was implicit in the project, and in his vision, from the start.” - Brody

This film is the epitome of what George Lucas always wanted, being able to tell a story that his completely his own, separated from Hollywood and with technology that was finally able to bring his wildest dreams to life. With it being the first major feature film completely shot on digital, it paved the way to the democratization of filmmaking, and now anyone can make a movie and find an audience online. Lucas was never able to successfully create his American Zoetrope he envisioned, a place for filmmakers to tell their stories away from Hollywood, but in a way, he succeeded through the breakthroughs that truly began with this film.

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RogueLeader said:

“Empire” and “Jedi” had nothing parodistic; their absurd earnestness and the bombastic banality of their direction (by Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand, respectively) are a perfect match for the oppressive, hectoring John Williams scores that accompanied them. If there was nostalgic, faux-naïve whimsy in Lucas’s inaugural installment of “Star Wars,” it was gone from “Empire” and “Jedi,” replaced by a hegemonic bellow for devotion and belief.” - Brody

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