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moviefreakedmind said:

So what? I don’t like seeing /sigh/ and “whatever” and “ha ha.” and all that bullshit every time you respond to me but you don’t see me playing the victim over it.

I don’t sigh anywhere near as much as I used to. As for “ha ha”, I don’t what to say when you accuse me of being wrong about everything. There is a lot about your posts I don’t like seeing (the constant depression, misery, and hatred of just about everyone and everything).

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

NeverarGreat said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html

Even for the Trumpster fire, this is big.

I actually find this a bit disturbing. Trump won the election, and with the help of these people. Seems like they want their cake and eat it too. Also, it’s the Trump supporters always claiming that there is some sort of Democrat-led “deep state”, when actually if this article is to be believed, there really IS a deep state and it is entirely Republican. If they were truly patriots, they would come out in the open and say what’s right, not quietly benefit from something they know is sick.

Trump just called it “gutless”. He’s right.

Hard disagree. The person who wrote it is just letting America know that “there are adults in the room”, which while small comfort, is still a comfort that Trump isn’t allowed to completely ruin the executive branch of government. And the press is constitutionally given the right to not tell Trump who wrote it, despite Trumps protestations.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

NeverarGreat said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html

Even for the Trumpster fire, this is big.

I actually find this a bit disturbing. Trump won the election, and with the help of these people. Seems like they want their cake and eat it too. Also, it’s the Trump supporters always claiming that there is some sort of Democrat-led “deep state”, when actually if this article is to be believed, there really IS a deep state and it is entirely Republican. If they were truly patriots, they would come out in the open and say what’s right, not quietly benefit from something they know is sick.

Trump just called it “gutless”. He’s right.

Hard disagree. The person who wrote it is just letting America know that “there are adults in the room”, which while small comfort, is still a comfort that Trump isn’t allowed to completely ruin the executive branch of government. And the press is constitutionally given the right to not tell Trump who wrote it, despite Trumps protestations.

Not on the politics of the matter, but on the constitutionality of the matter, there are problems with whoever this guy is that go beyond Puggo’s criticism.

He says he didn’t want to invoke the 25th for fear of precipitating a Constitutional crisis, but he’s fine with a campaign of ignoring/creatively interpreting directives, misleading the President, and in one case, just snatching away a document before he can sign it and trigger a major and completely dumb-ass diplomatic incident.

The thing is: invoking the 25th Amendment is constitutional. There is no alternate interpretation. The cabinet acts, the President is relieved of his duties, and it’s done. Yes, it’s a crisis (or, rather, it marks the resolution of a crisis, depending on how you view it), but it’s no Constitutional crisis. It’s literally spelled out in the Constitution that this is how it should be done.

This other thing? The handy-wavey, “keep the buffoon entertained and try to shield the world from the damage he’s doing” thing? THAT’S the Constitutional crisis.

You have one job. I’m sorry it’s sometimes a hard job, and just being duplicitous is way easier, but you still have to do it.

My take is the letter-writer never seriously considered invoking the 25th, and all this hand-wringing over a Constitutional crisis is just a way to explain it away. This is all about making it appear like there’s someone sane in charge who’s not the President (flashbacks of Al Haig). Because there are midterms coming up, Republicans in Congress have spent the last two years covering for Trump, and making it look like there’s a secret Republican opposition to Trump is better than nothing, easier than actual opposition, and a pretty easy sell in the era of Pizzagate conspiracy theories.

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I also wonder if this alleged “adult in the room” is simply trying to appease anti-Trump republicans so that they are still comfortable voting republican, on the basis that republicans are saving the day in the white house so don’t worry about Trump. The timing would make it seem that way. Until some republican comes out and make their opposition to Trump clear, as McCain did, it’s hard for me to see it as anything but republican self-aggrandizement without actual substance.

Interesting that both the right and left sides of the media are looking a bit askance at this statement.

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I also wonder if this alleged “adult in the room” is simply trying to appease anti-Trump republicans so that they are still comfortable voting republican, on the basis that republicans are saving the day in the white house so don’t worry about Trump. The timing would make it seem that way. Until some republican comes out and make their opposition to Trump clear, as McCain did, it’s hard for me to see it as anything but republican self-aggrandizement without actual substance.

Interesting that both the right and left sides of the media are looking a bit askance at this statement.

It’s certainly hard to view the writer as some sort of hero, on either side.

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I certainly wish enough republicans would decide to get rid of trump.

This “working with him” is not solving anything. To me it certainly sounds like all of these people think too highly of themselves and would rather stay in power and try to fix it. They don’t think that anyone else could do the job that they can do so they want to stay and power to do the job.

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Exactly. It’s all bullshit. The trend has been that incumbents are being voted out, even if their opposition has the same policy positions. I’m sick of the political showmanship, spouting off morals and patriotism, when it’s all just about staying in power.

When it comes to the mid-terms… vote them out.

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Warbler said:
There is a lot about your posts I don’t like seeing (the constant depression, misery, and hatred of just about everyone and everything).

I don’t hate everything. I like depression, misery, hatred, Nike shoes, and Colin Kaepernick.

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unbelievable.

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I agree, it’s pretty good. I myself quite like Dorothy L. Sayers. Oh, wait, you said misery not mystery, nevermind.

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True enough I suppose.

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Personally, I think boycotting Nike is misdirected outrage, and that this outrage is just a fad. So many consumer boycotts come and go, and next year no one will remember this one. Being angry at Nike is just the recent popular thing to do.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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* For extraordinarily loose definitions of popular.

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CatBus said:

* For extraordinarily loose definitions of popular.

Well, I don’t know how popular this particular boycott is, because idgaf about it really, but people often seem to enjoy bitching about this or that to the point that bitching about whatever-it-is becomes a bandwagon.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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I kind of doubt most people would torch an expensive pair of sneakers. Maybe an old worn out pair just for show. The rest who say they’re boycotting don’t have to prove they ever bought Nike stuff before anyway. The usual suspects will find something new to foam at the mouth about in a few days or weeks.

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If your starting point is boycotting reality, boycotting any specific tangible thing is actually a step in the right direction.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:
There is a lot about your posts I don’t like seeing (the constant depression, misery, and hatred of just about everyone and everything).

I don’t hate everything. I like depression, misery, hatred, Nike shoes, and Colin Kaepernick.

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chyron8472 said:

CatBus said:

* For extraordinarily loose definitions of popular.

Well, I don’t know how popular this particular boycott is, because idgaf about it really, but people often seem to enjoy bitching about this or that to the point that bitching about whatever-it-is becomes a bandwagon.

Conservatives are always trying to boycott some “offensive” character and it almost never works. In the '60s they were burning Beatles albums because Lennon didn’t worship Jesus enough for their liking and now they’re burning Nike because Kaepernick doesn’t worship the flag enough for their liking. This won’t work either. I love how a lot of conservatives like to shit on liberals for trying to destroy the careers of people they don’t like, but then don’t see the irony when they do the exact same shit.

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chyron8472 said:

Personally, I think boycotting Nike is misdirected outrage, and that this outrage is just a fad. So many consumer boycotts come and go, and next year no one will remember this one. Being angry at Nike is just the recent popular thing to do.

Well I know it won’t do any good, but I won’t be buying anything from them. It is a matter of principle for me. I have as just as much to protest via boycott as those that protest via disrespecting the Anthem.

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Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Personally, I think boycotting Nike is misdirected outrage, and that this outrage is just a fad. So many consumer boycotts come and go, and next year no one will remember this one. Being angry at Nike is just the recent popular thing to do.

Well I know it won’t do any good, but I won’t be buying anything from them. It is a matter of principle for me. I have as just as much to protest via boycott as those that protest via disrespecting the Anthem.

Honestly I think you’re the one disrespecting the country. You’re one of these people that’s opposed to any kind of protest that ruffles people’s feathers. Well guess what, things don’t change unless you ruffle people’s feathers. I’ve also not once heard your justification for how this is disrespecting the anthem or why that’s even a bad thing, but I know you’ll never bother to actually explain that so I’ll stop asking.

EDIT: And everybody already knows that you have a “right” to do whatever you fucking want so stop reminding us. We get it. We aren’t dumb. We know.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Personally, I think boycotting Nike is misdirected outrage, and that this outrage is just a fad. So many consumer boycotts come and go, and next year no one will remember this one. Being angry at Nike is just the recent popular thing to do.

Well I know it won’t do any good, but I won’t be buying anything from them. It is a matter of principle for me. I have as just as much to protest via boycott as those that protest via disrespecting the Anthem.

Honestly I think you’re the one disrespecting the country. You’re one of these people that’s opposed to any kind of protest that ruffles people’s feathers.

ruffing feathers is one thing, disrespecting the country is another.

I’ve also not once heard your justification for how this is disrespecting the anthem or why that’s even a bad thing, but I know you’ll never bother to actually explain that so I’ll stop asking.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301

(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.

(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—

(1) when the flag is displayed—

(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;

(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and

(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

EDIT: And everybody already knows that you have a “right” to do whatever you fucking want so stop reminding us. We get it. We aren’t dumb. We know.

I will do whatever the fuck I want! and the reason I do remind you that is that it seems as though you don’t act like it sometimes.