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Hmmm, that’s an interesting thought. I worry that it would throw off the pacing, but the thought of how her reaching the lightsaber out and then catching it is kind of cool. It’s something you’d definitely have to see, you know?

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I was stuck without internet the other day and a copy of Restructured on the laptop, so I watched it and had some more ideas, some more baked than others.

First up, the first scene of the movie.
It’s weird how Kylo kills Tekka before knowing that there was someone else who had the information he sought. Kind of an oversight there, and not a good look even for someone as unstable as he is. So I thought, what if Poe shot at Kylo right as he disembarked the shuttle? Then he would say:
‘The old man gave it to you.’
‘It’s just very hard to understand you with all the…’
‘The map to Skywalker. Search him.’
Poe’s carted off and Phasma reminds Kylo about the villagers. Then Tekka (as one of the villagers) is brought forward, and they have their conversation without the aforementioned map line. At ‘I will show you the dark side’, Phasma says ‘On my command’, and the troopers raise their blasters.
‘You may try. But you cannot escape the truth that is your family.’
‘You’re so right’. Tekka dies.
‘Fire’.
Notably, Kylo doesn’t give the order to kill the villagers, so it could be interpreted that he is a prisoner of established First Order barbarity, or that Phasma interpreted his killing of Tekka as the signal to kill all of the villagers.

Second, Rey’s interrogation.
As with the first scene, it might benefit the movie to paint Kylo as far more conflicted than he appears, especially with regards to Han Solo. To that end, when he’s getting rebuffed by Rey in the interrogation, the sounds and images which assault Kylo are of Rey’s memories of Han. It is these which force him into submission.
To drive this point home, in the next scene with Snoke the conversation could go like this:
“The scavenger resisted YOU!?”
“She is strong with the Force. Untrained, but stronger than she knows.”
“There’s something more. Han Solo. Even you, Master of the Knights of Ren, have never faced such a test.”
“Supreme Leader, I can get the map from the girl. I just need your guidance.”
“If what you say about this girl is true, bring her to me.”
So the scene accomplishes several things. We now realize how much even a memory of Han can conflict Kylo, and it foreshadows Snoke’s power in TLJ when he knows the content of Kylo’s mind.

Third, Lowering the Shields
Phasma’s scene here is problematic since she turns into a cowardly traitor. Finn’s plan also hinges on her being such a weak opponent, so it doesn’t reflect well on him either. I wracked my brains trying to figure out a better plan, and came up with something fairly audacious but also potentially better:
Chewie knocks over Phasma, then Finn crows about it. ‘Follow me.’
Next there is footage from the shield control room, altered so it looks like a different location, such as a darkened corner of the hallway.
‘You can’t be so stupid as to think this will be easy.’
‘Do you want me to blast that bucket off your head?’
‘You’re making a big mistake.’
‘Do it.’
(Chewie growls)
‘What do we do with her?’
‘Is there a garbage chute? Trash compactor?’
Cut away to the next scene of Rey or Kylo, then back to the shield control room, unaltered this time:
‘Solo, if this works we’re not going to have a lot of time to find Rey.’
‘Don’t worry kid, we won’t leave here without her.’
Then we see Phasma get up from the control screen as the shield goes down. Yet emanating from the suit is Chewie’s growl of approval.
It’s definitely a funnier scene now, and an ironic inversion of the trooper escapades in ANH. The only problem is that it isn’t spelled out why Chewie needs to impersonate Phasma since we don’t see Chewie bluffing his way into the room. If there’s a way to make this work better, I’m all ears.

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I’ve been trying to come up with a good reason for Luke to be in exile, and realized that it could have to do with the fact that he’s basically the rightful Emperor. Anyone who managed to kill him would be heir by way of conquest in the same way that Vader was Emperor after he killed Palpatine.

The Empire is no more.
To preserve galactic peace,
Luke Skywalker, heir to the
Imperial throne, is in hiding.

Yet under the leadership
of an ambitious warlord,
an Imperial remnant known
as the FIRST ORDER has
regrouped in the unknown
regions of space with a
weapon to return them to
power even without the
royal Skywalker’s blood.

Desperate for the return
of their greatest hero,
the New Republic forms
a covert RESISTANCE led
by General Leia Organa,
and has sent their most
daring pilot on a mission
deep into enemy space…

This could also explain (in a non-novel form) why Leia isn’t a part of the Republic, and in fact, why the Republic and the secret Resistance are different - all Skywalkers are heirs to the throne, and as such must remain in hiding.

Finally, it could make for a more compelling reason for Kylo to turn evil. Faced with the choice of remaining in hiding his entire life or leading a galactic Empire, it’s hard to blame him really.

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This is an interesting idea, but I already think Luke has a more compelling reason for being in exile. This concept, which would be hard to explain beyond the opening crawl, makes things overly complicated, in my opinion. I also think most people would scratch their heads at the idea of Luke being the heir to the Empire, since that isn’t really established as being an important thing, the “throne”, I mean.

Personally, I think the reason Luke is in exile in the films works, and doesn’t need to be explained in the opening crawl. Han tells them why he left in the Falcon scene, and not knowing the details from the start helps keep it mysterious.
And I know I keep saying this, but really the simplest way, in my opinion, to explain Leia and the Resistance thing is just to say that First Order spies or sympathizers have infiltrated the New Republic. Because of that, Leia had to form her own militia separate from the Republic, since the sympathizers made the FO not seem like a threat, and to keep spies from knowing what she was trying to do. I mean, it makes since and it is canon, so I think briefly explaining that in the crawl is the least complicated thing to do.

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The royalty idea would need work, and somehow be referenced elsewhere in the film, but I think it provides a novel way to solve a lot of problems at once, some of which I’ve talked about.

The concept of the New Republic being infiltrated by First Order sympathizers has the benefit of EU support, but the Skywalker lineage and in particular the idea of a Skywalker being the heir to the Empire also has this support (One of the EU books is called Bloodlines for a reason). But the biggest reason I don’t like the sympathizers angle is that it makes the Republic a lost cause before the movie begins. How much sympathy can we give a government that is already halfway towards tyranny? Also, it seems rather silly for the First Order to blow up the entire Hosnian System if they were effectively turning the Republic from the inside. Surely they would have lost a lot of their own supporters in the destruction.

As for Luke’s reason for going into exile, I see one explicit reason in TFA ‘He just walked away from it all’, and a continuation of this reason in TLJ ‘It’s time for the Jedi to end/I came to this island to die’.

These don’t feel very compelling for a character who is motivated by optimism. I think it would be much more compelling to give him a constructive reason for going into hiding, and that could have to do with the attitude of the galaxy to the Empire and its line of succession. Granted that little is known of galactic sentiment or politics of this era from the movies (there’s almost nothing about this in the sequels so far save from a line from Snoke calling Kylo ‘heir apparent to Lord Vader’) but this makes it that much more fertile ground for development. I imagine that there could have been several splinter organizations after the fall of the Empire, each attempting to claim ownership. An heir to the Imperial throne would legitimize their claim, and rally many systems to their cause. Remember that it was the death of the Emperor more than anything else that led to the fall of the Empire as it was seen in ROTJ, so the problem for the Empire is not one of ships or soldiers so much as legitimate leadership. The First Order has a leader which has many of the powers of Palpatine, but these abilities didn’t convince everyday citizens and senators to support him during his rise to power - most people were unaware that he was an evil space wizard until too late. It was the legitimacy bestowed by the Old Republic system of government which allowed his rise to power, and so imagining an analogue for the Empire and its succession seems natural.

This brings us back to Luke Skywalker and his importance. I never understood why the First Order was so intent on killing a single Jedi who had already run away and clearly wasn’t a threat. Sure it’s a priority, but the top priority? And why does everyone in the Republic assume that a single Jedi can stop the First Order when ten thousand Jedi weren’t enough to save the Old Republic from a couple of Sith? It cries out for a reason, beyond him being a Jedi or even a legend.

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Definitely not saying it is a bad idea. It is interesting, and I could even see Snoke legitimizing his claim by using Ben Solo. Sort of how Generals in the past used child emperor’s as vessels for their own influence, Snoke uses Ben in a similar way, possibly helping unite Imperial remnant factions together under this idea that he is grooming the heir to Darth Vader for eventual rule, even though I bet Snoke was planning to use Kylo Ren as long as possible.

And the new canon hints that Luke and Snoke knew each other in the past. I could even imagine a scenario where Snoke tried to persuade Luke to take his claim as heir to the Empire, with Snoke as his advisor, but Luke obviously refused. It makes me think of Joruus C’boath or the storyline from Dark Empire. When Luke refused, he went for his back up plan, the young Ben Solo.

But, I think the story can be told in a much simpler way. I get where you’re coming from about how could one feel sympathy for a government that already is a lost cause, but I think a government that is under the influence by the corrupt is still a government worth saving. I feel like FO sympathizers in the Senate were a vocal minority, but probably used dog-whistle politics to influence other well-meaning Centrist politicians to be on their side, without even realizing what was going on. I don’t think it was a 50/50 situation. In the Bloodline novel, it mentions that there were about 30 known senators who liked to collect old Imperial artifacts, which is probably a small fraction of the entire Centrist political party. I don’t think it is a stretch to assume the number of FO sympathizers would be a similar size, likely smaller, as well. And with a small number, it wouldn’t be much of a surprise if those spies/sympathizers got a heads up before Hosnian Prime was destroyed. And with that number being relatively small, would it be much of a surprise if they didn’t care to warn them either?

Bottomline, it’s espionage, and I think the hint of that is very compelling to the imagination and what stories could be explored in that kind of setting. I also think it is a greater parallel to the current political climate in the US, which Lucas was all about, and were themes within the other trilogies as well. Nixon/Vietnam with the OT and Bush/War on Terror with the PT. So the New Republic’s situation was not like the PT, it wasn’t on the verge of total fascism, but the eyes of the enemy had made it vulnerable, and Leia had to do something about it. Plus, the New Republic has ruled with relative peace for 30 years, longer than the Empire, so I don’t think it was a total failure from the start.

I get what you’re saying about Luke, and I know this discussion has already been had hundreds of times before on the internet. This what RJ had to say about Luke’s motivations for going to the island, from the “Balance of the Force” featurette.

RJ: So the thing that would make sense to me is if he’s actually come to realize that the galaxy thinks it wants the Jedi back, but the Jedi have done nothing but add to the problems of the universe. And the most selfless act he can do is do what he couldn’t do in the Empire Strikes Back and ignore the calls of help from his friends and lock himself off. And suddenly it turns to this kind of burden that he has to hold. He would love to jump back in and help everybody, but he’s realized that if he brings the Jedi back into this, that the Sith are just gonna rise back up again and the whole thing is gonna start again and it’s just gonna be more misery. The Jedi have to die so the light can rise from a new source that will maybe work better.

So he believed that if he just trained Rey and killed Snoke and Kylo Ren, that eventually all of this would repeat itself and another Jedi would fall and the wars would start all over again (basically what happens in the old EU). The idea of history repeating itself, and Luke wanting to break the cycle and wanting it to start all over is a lot more central to the themes of the saga, in my opinion. And it’s also more character driven, since it is tied to Luke’s own guilt. He made a mistake and no longer believes in himself. He realized he couldn’t kill his own nephew, and even now he still can’t bring himself to do it. He’s lost that optimism, but he gets it back in the end when he realizes that the next generation needs to learn from the mistakes of the past, not just start from scratch, and he has to have faith the next generation will grow beyond their past failures. I just think these ideas are more relatable and compelling than struggling with the idea of succession, specifically.

I also don’t think the First Order cares about Luke or sees him as a major threat, but specifically their leaders, Snoke and Kylo Ren. I think they’re both afraid of Luke. Not only because Luke is so powerful, and he probably is the only one powerful enough to destroy both Kylo Ren and Snoke if he had the chance, but more importantly he could still bring the Jedi Order back. As long as he was alive, he was a threat. I think the main reason Snoke even cared about Starkiller Base was because he thought he could use it to destroy Luke once and for all from across the galaxy. Hux practically had to persuade Snoke to use it on the Republic capital, which you would think would be their obvious first target. But in Snoke’s eyes, it wasn’t. In TLJ, Snoke even says that they were just going to obliterate his island from orbit. This guy was afraid of even being close to Luke.

And it is not really the New Republic government that cares about Luke, it is Leia that believes Luke is important, because she knows the common citizen believes in the legend of Luke Skywalker and the Jedi, and that he can be a symbol of hope the galaxy rallies behind to face this rising tyranny. Luke was the Jedi responsible for defeating the Sith Lords that destroyed the Jedi Order in the first place, so to many, they probably think he is the greatest Jedi ever.

Some quotes to back this train of thought up.

TFA
Smoke: The droid will soon be delivered to the Resistance, leading them to the last Jedi. If Skywalker returns… the new Jedi will rise.

TLJ
Snoke: Skywalker lives! The seed of the Jedi Order lives. As long as it does, hope lives in the galaxy.

Leia: The galaxy has lost all its hope. [moments later, Luke enters and the radio chatter begins.]

It basically boils down to Luke, and by extension the Jedi, being the hope the galaxy needs to fight evil. This is a core theme of Star Wars— hope.

Despite all of that, I do sort of think the royalty idea is sort of there already. The Republic feared Leia after finding out her father was Darth Vader, basically making her the heir to his legacy. Clearly both Luke and Leia would deny that, but that does make Ben Solo a potential heir in the eyes of Imperial fanatics. It would definitely help explain why the First Order would accept Ben Solo as their leader, despite his age and limited past affiliation with the First Order. But I don’t think Hux cares too much about the old ways. It kind of makes me wish Ben would go by “Emperor” in IX, but that’s unlikely.

JEDIT: Please don’t think I’m trying to trample on your ideas. I always enjoy reading your ideas and I love the way you think outside the box. I guess I just like to play devil’s advocate for you sometimes!

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Not at all, very much enjoy spirited discussion as it can hone ideas far better than just thinking about them in isolation. 😃

So about the whole succession and bloodlines thing, I was watching this video and he coincidentally talks about this very point here. The idea that the story is moving on from special lineages is good, and to make these lineages important to the story at the outset of TFA might provide more of a dramatic contrast when Rey (and later broom boy) appears. The lineage angle is stifling to the universe, like a set of dusty old rules dragging down a dynamic game. So what a breath of fresh air Rey would be, and highlighting her differences with Luke would make her fundamentally different than the previous protagonists of the story. That’s sort of what I’m trying to go for here.

Of course I like the idea of FO supporters in the Republic (I think there are one or two of my crawls specifically for this angle) but if I can find another way to hint at this in the movie proper I can spend the real estate of the crawl with something more complicated like the lineage idea. I think that complication here isn’t necessarily a bad thing, and moviemakers tend to underestimate the audience’s intelligence anyway, so more risks can be a good thing.

Concerning Luke and his threat to the FO, you accurately say that it seemed to be only Snoke and Kylo who really feared him, and directed the entire apparatus of the FO to pursue his demise. But the reason given in TFA is that he could train a new generation of Jedi. TLJ drops this angle in favor of the more general ‘hope’ message since it’s revealed that Luke has no intention of training more Jedi. Snoke even has a bit of a laugh about this after reading Rey’s mind. In retrospect it makes Snoke look rather foolish, jumping at shadows.

But as for the larger point, the succession angle paints a rather interesting picture of the galaxy - sure, soldiers and officers in the First Order proper would always despise Luke and what he did to the Empire, but there are so many more people who grew up under Imperial rule who might view the New Republic as the illegitimate government, whom they nevertheless support because the heir to the Empire serves the Republic. Now every day that Luke remains alive is another day that he lends credibility to this charade of governance. More importantly, if he were to die while not overthrown, the next in line would be his sister, who actually knows how to wield political power and is potentially as powerful in the Force as Luke. And this makes his sacrifice in TLJ much more interesting, since Leia is now the most important person in the galaxy apart from her son. Furthermore, as long as she exists Kylo can’t rightfully call himself ‘Emperor’, and the First Order still lacks the legitimacy of the Empire returned. That is what I find so fascinating about the idea, that this calculus can be taking place in the background even as the story shifts away from these trappings.

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I watched that video yesterday too! I really like his perspective. I’ll talk about the lineage stuff at the end.

I think simply referring to “First Order spies” in the crawl would be the simplest thing to do, and also be a nice parallel to the mention of “Rebel spies” in the crawl of the original Star Wars, too.

I don’t think that idea and the idea of him representing “hope” are two separate things. I don’t really think TLJ drops the training a new generation of Jedi angle either. Yes, Luke doesn’t want to train more Jedi, but Snoke nor Kylo know that, but can you really blame them for thinking that? That’s what we thought would happen before seeing the movie too.

Snoke: The seed of the Jedi Order lives.

This is clearly still on Snoke’s mind. He’s still afraid that that “seed” will grow. I can imagine that after Ben destroyed Luke’s temple and most of his students, instead of being happy, Snoke was probably mad at Ben for not finishing the job and killing Luke (that’s sort of the nature of abusive relationships, the victim always does something wrong in the eyes of the abuser). This probably haunts Snoke for the next six years, that Luke could return and have more Jedi with him, and this is also why Kylo Ren is so desperate to find Luke in TFA.

So when Snoke finds out that all of his worries have been for nothing, and that Luke wants the Jedi Order to die, he is euphoric. You can’t really blame him for being afraid of the Jedi’s return, especially after an untrained girl had just defeated his apprentice and went to go find Skywalker. But the truth turned out better than he could have imagined. And this new found excitement is probably what made him so blind to Kylo’s true intentions. Everything was going right, the New Republic is in disarray, the Resistance is in its death throws, Luke, the last Jedi and his greatest enemy, is just waiting to die, and the galaxy will be his in a matter of weeks. I definitely think his over-confidence was warranted, and the surprise of finding out Luke wanted to die likely is the reason Kylo was able to get away with his trick. I think the whole thing works really well.

I do think this whole idea would draw even more comparisons to Luke being a King Arthur figure, with the galaxy being Camelot, Anakin’s saber being Excalibur, and Kylo Ren being Mordred, who is sometime Arthur’s son and sometimes his nephew depending on the version.

Maybe a change that could help this idea would be to try have people to only refer to Leia as Princess, if possible. I think that would be challenging though.

Sort of like the first conversation between Poe and Lor San Tekka. Poe calls her general, but Tekka says something like, “General? To me, she’s royalty.” Poe then says something like, “Well she certainly is that.”
This could work in your idea’s favor, but the way this conversation goes makes it seem like most people don’t necessarily view Leia as royalty anymore beyond being a ceremonial thing. Maybe you could cut out Poe’s line? I don’t really see where other changes could be made to imply this idea besides the opening crawl, though, which could just make it feel disconnected to the rest of the film. Ironically, I think “Heir to the Empire” could work well as an alternative title for this film with that idea in mind. I just don’t know how feasible the idea is if you wanted it to be a major theme.

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Yep, there would need to be some new dialogue in there. I found a youtube video once where someone incorporated more of Snoke’s dialogue from a novel into the scene where he talks to Kylo about the Knights of Ren. It’s fairly well done, in that I was unsure if this was actually a deleted scene for a moment. So it could be an interesting tack to give Snoke lines like ‘As long as Skywalker lives, the Empire cannot return.’

Another idea is to take Kylo’s statement ‘I will finish what you started’ and apply it to the idea of Imperial succession. If Snoke said something like ‘In his final moments, your grandfather gained an Empire. How the Skywalkers squandered this inheritance. But under Kylo Ren, the Empire can truly return.’

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I know what you’re talking about, Snoke goes into more detail about Vader’s failure, and sets up Kylo’s motivation for wanting to kill his father. The narrator’s impression is pretty good! Too bad there isn’t a lot of Snoke footage to work with.

Speaking of unused Snoke lines, there seem to be a lot of them. I wonder how much of what was in the novel was actually filmed by Serkis. A particular thing I always enjoyed was in the first teaser, with Snoke saying, “There has been an awakening. Have you felt it? The darkside, and the light.”

I hated how the latter half of that line got cut, but one could reincorporate that by cutting Kylo saying a boring “Yes” in response, and have him answer that question by saying, “The dark side…” then Snoke responds, “and the light…” You could take the “dark side” line from “I’ll show you the dark side” and “and the light” from the original teaser. It just felt so mysterious, but also giving us a little more detail beyond there being an ambiguous awakening in the Force.

That would be a good way to summarize Snoke’s whole monologue and fit it into your concept, if you could cut it in a way that didn’t feel choppy.

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As far as what ideas of yours you could tackle first, I would definitely suggest the whole Falcon tracking light thing we talked about awhile back, because I definitely think it works very well. And now that Hal has decided to go back and add a few things to Restructured, it might be a good time to piggy back off some of the changes that are made/suggested for it.

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Not sure how doable it is without trying, but I like that idea.

Thanksgiving 2015 had me quoting that as well.

“There’s been a turkey carving. Have you felt it? The dark meat… and the light.”

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Hahaha, that’s great. Man, the hype for TFA really wasn’t that long ago but it already feels like it… I’m also glad IX will be releasing in the winter time too. Star Wars just feels right in the winter for some reason.

I believe it is feasible. The primary issue would be that I don’t know if that wide shot of Snoke lasts long enough for the entire back and forth. You may either have to slow it down slightly, or cut to a close up of Kylo in the middle for when he says “the dark side” and then cut back when Snoke says “and the light”, using the entire length of that wide shot. You also might have to remove any background noise from “the dark side” line, and add some kind of echo to both that line and “and the light” to make it match with the rest of the dialogue, if the rest also has an echo.

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I was playing around with the sort of settings that I’ve used for ANH Technicolor, and managed to get a decent global grade for the movie:

https://diff.pics/wU0BdJwG8Naq/1
Red Light
Finn
Crew
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I also applied a slight greenish vignette to the left and right side of the image to mimic the same phenomenon from the Technicolor prints.

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man the loghtsaber fight shot looks gorgeous.

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Looks beautiful as always, Neverar!

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You certainly have the look down, pretty well executed. Do you have a “technicolor” preset or LUT or something that you’ve created?

Oddly enough it looks more like TLJ now.

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You certainly have the look down, pretty well executed. Do you have a “technicolor” preset or LUT or something that you’ve created?

Oddly enough it looks more like TLJ now.

well, TLJ does look much better than TFA.

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You certainly have the look down, pretty well executed. Do you have a “technicolor” preset or LUT or something that you’ve created?

Oddly enough it looks more like TLJ now.

I do have a LUT made for correcting the ANH Blu-ray, but this was a new attempt in Photoshop.

These settings actually have more in common with a ROTS regrade I was working on at one point, where the primary difference was a reduction in the purple tones.

There are some things that need further work. It’s overall a bit on the green side, and there’s a process I can best apply in Premiere which deepens the reddish shadows in the skin tones while leaving the bright areas pink and lends a wonderful Technicolor look to the video.

Here’s a Photoshop version of the effect, with some fine tuning for brightness:
https://diff.pics/EKMUxzl1Ag6a/1

Normal Rey
RedRey
Normal Han
RedHan

Subtle, but noticeable I think.

Vs the originals:
https://diff.pics/mSs9Vzj5NFji/1

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I really like this look. Would definitely would be interested in going back and watching the movie with this applied.

Another random unrelated thought. I don’t know exactly which shots, if any, it would be appropriate it in, but I thought it would be an interesting idea to put the moons of Jakku we see in the very first shot of the movie somewhere in the sky in laters scenes. Maybe we see one or both of them in the sky when Rey is working, at Niima Outpost, or at Rey’s At-AT. Etc. etc.

Just thought it could add some variety to make it feel a little more alien and differentiate it more from Tatooine.

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A good thought. My first notion was that they could go into the shot where the Falcon goes to Hyperspace, to differentiate it from the reused shot where it is pulled out of Hyperspace, as well as in the sky in some shots. Maybe when Rey takes BB-8 home? When she has her Reydream as a callback to the Twin Suns?

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Those are good ideas. You could just throw the moon(s) into single frame samples just to see where it would look good.

I had a similar thought about D’Qar, since it does have a ring it would be cool to see it from the surface. The ring looks so thin though I don’t really know if you would even be able to see it from the surface, and also it looks cloudy in most of the Resistance Base scenes, so it probably wouldn’t be feasible anyway.

These “what if” visualitions someone did are pretty cool though. This could’ve been cool for D’Qar but it’d be cool to see something like this in one of the films eventually.
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/jason-davis/20130626-earths-skies-saturns-rings.html