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Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Please keep my name out of your mouth, if you don’t mind. Thanks.

Lol. He’s not supposed to reference comments made by the site administrator?

If you left the thread because you found the discussion toxic, I wouldn’t be in here mentioning your name, especially in reference to a post you made elsewhere. If he has a problem with what I said, he can bring it up in the thread I said it instead of posting it in a topic everyone knows I’m deliberately avoiding because I said as much.

He probably forgot which thread it was in and it’s relevant to this thread. If I made a political comment somewhere and someone brought it up in this thread and I wouldn’t hold it against them. It’s actually one of the few things that even I wouldn’t hold against somebody.

What you find bothersome isn’t relevant. And whatever thread it involved, I made it clear that I didn’t want to participate in this one anymore, so I don’t appreciate my name being brought up in attempt to goad me into defending something I never said. Address what I posted where I posted it and leave me out of this mess.

And I don’t know why you guys keep bringing up the fact that I’m the admin. It has zero relevance.

When an admin of a site makes a demand, there’s an implicit threat behind it. It’s very obvious. It’s like if your landlord tells you to stop doing something.

And like a landlord, I would cite the lease if you were in violation of the terms and suggest you act accordingly. Did I cite the rules? No. I told him to get his shit straight.

If you feel threatened, that’s everything to do with you and nothing with me.

You quit often threaten. So I call horshit. Just setting the record straight. Being admin simply is an extra burden you carry, you can’t pretend otherwise.

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Jay said:

Please keep my name out of your mouth, if you don’t mind. Thanks.

Ok I remembered what you said wrong but what does this mean? I’m not allowed to reference anything you say anymore?

And the fact that I didn’t remember what thread you said that in goes to the original point I got in trouble for in this thread, which is that there’s no functional difference between the two threads other than they were started by two different people and no one besides you could possibly remember which one contained what anymore.

EDIT: I read your follow up posts. As was just stated, horseshit. And I didn’t bait you, you had an opinion similar to Mrebo so I included you. I got the substance wrong though, my bad.

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Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Please keep my name out of your mouth, if you don’t mind. Thanks.

Lol. He’s not supposed to reference comments made by the site administrator?

If you left the thread because you found the discussion toxic, I wouldn’t be in here mentioning your name, especially in reference to a post you made elsewhere. If he has a problem with what I said, he can bring it up in the thread I said it instead of posting it in a topic everyone knows I’m deliberately avoiding because I said as much.

He probably forgot which thread it was in and it’s relevant to this thread. If I made a political comment somewhere and someone brought it up in this thread and I wouldn’t hold it against them. It’s actually one of the few things that even I wouldn’t hold against somebody.

What you find bothersome isn’t relevant. And whatever thread it involved, I made it clear that I didn’t want to participate in this one anymore, so I don’t appreciate my name being brought up in attempt to goad me into defending something I never said. Address what I posted where I posted it and leave me out of this mess.

And I don’t know why you guys keep bringing up the fact that I’m the admin. It has zero relevance.

When an admin of a site makes a demand, there’s an implicit threat behind it. It’s very obvious. It’s like if your landlord tells you to stop doing something.

And like a landlord, I would cite the lease if you were in violation of the terms and suggest you act accordingly. Did I cite the rules? No. I told him to get his shit straight.

If you feel threatened, that’s everything to do with you and nothing with me.

I don’t feel threatened at all. I’m just saying that being an administrator and then making demands has implicit threat of banning behind it. Obviously. I find it weird that you say the things that you say and act the way that you act and then expect people to be cordial with you. I didn’t say I was bothered by anything, so I don’t see why you brought that up because, you’re right, that is irrelevant. I wasn’t goading you either. He obviously wasn’t. He was just bringing up a comment that you made. I don’t even think he got it that wrong because being “uninformed” and “unintelligent” are often interchangeable words. And you obviously do read this thread regularly if you’re so ready to jump back in and police it and then continue to bicker when you claim to be checking out of the toxic conversation. You’ve contributed to the toxicity too. Not as much as I have, of course, but you’ve contributed nonetheless, so I find your whole attitude to this thread weird.

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dahmage said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Please keep my name out of your mouth, if you don’t mind. Thanks.

Lol. He’s not supposed to reference comments made by the site administrator?

If you left the thread because you found the discussion toxic, I wouldn’t be in here mentioning your name, especially in reference to a post you made elsewhere. If he has a problem with what I said, he can bring it up in the thread I said it instead of posting it in a topic everyone knows I’m deliberately avoiding because I said as much.

He probably forgot which thread it was in and it’s relevant to this thread. If I made a political comment somewhere and someone brought it up in this thread and I wouldn’t hold it against them. It’s actually one of the few things that even I wouldn’t hold against somebody.

What you find bothersome isn’t relevant. And whatever thread it involved, I made it clear that I didn’t want to participate in this one anymore, so I don’t appreciate my name being brought up in attempt to goad me into defending something I never said. Address what I posted where I posted it and leave me out of this mess.

And I don’t know why you guys keep bringing up the fact that I’m the admin. It has zero relevance.

When an admin of a site makes a demand, there’s an implicit threat behind it. It’s very obvious. It’s like if your landlord tells you to stop doing something.

And like a landlord, I would cite the lease if you were in violation of the terms and suggest you act accordingly. Did I cite the rules? No. I told him to get his shit straight.

If you feel threatened, that’s everything to do with you and nothing with me.

You quit often threaten. So I call horshit. Just setting the record straight. Being admin simply is an extra burden you carry, you can’t pretend otherwise.

How many times will you guys accuse me of threatening people without anyone ending up banned before you’ll give up that tired old line? Don’t you think I would’ve graduated to actually banning people with whom I have differences of opinion by now if that were really a thing I did?

I’ve invited plenty of people to leave of their own accord over the years if they’re feeling oppressed, certainly. That invitation always remains open. I’m sure there are plenty of Star Wars forums where you can openly argue with moderators and administrators without being banned, right?

Please stick to the topic of politics. If you want to question my motives, create a thread in the feedback forum where we can continue this pointless debate about all my supposed threats that have never amounted to anything.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Please keep my name out of your mouth, if you don’t mind. Thanks.

Lol. He’s not supposed to reference comments made by the site administrator?

If you left the thread because you found the discussion toxic, I wouldn’t be in here mentioning your name, especially in reference to a post you made elsewhere. If he has a problem with what I said, he can bring it up in the thread I said it instead of posting it in a topic everyone knows I’m deliberately avoiding because I said as much.

He probably forgot which thread it was in and it’s relevant to this thread. If I made a political comment somewhere and someone brought it up in this thread and I wouldn’t hold it against them. It’s actually one of the few things that even I wouldn’t hold against somebody.

What you find bothersome isn’t relevant. And whatever thread it involved, I made it clear that I didn’t want to participate in this one anymore, so I don’t appreciate my name being brought up in attempt to goad me into defending something I never said. Address what I posted where I posted it and leave me out of this mess.

And I don’t know why you guys keep bringing up the fact that I’m the admin. It has zero relevance.

When an admin of a site makes a demand, there’s an implicit threat behind it. It’s very obvious. It’s like if your landlord tells you to stop doing something.

And like a landlord, I would cite the lease if you were in violation of the terms and suggest you act accordingly. Did I cite the rules? No. I told him to get his shit straight.

If you feel threatened, that’s everything to do with you and nothing with me.

I don’t feel threatened at all. I’m just saying that being an administrator and then making demands has implicit threat of banning behind it. Obviously. I find it weird that you say the things that you say and act the way that you act and then expect people to be cordial with you. I didn’t say I was bothered by anything, so I don’t see why you brought that up because, you’re right, that is irrelevant. I wasn’t goading you either. He obviously wasn’t. He was just bringing up a comment that you made. I don’t even think he got it that wrong because being “uninformed” and “unintelligent” are often interchangeable words. And you obviously do read this thread regularly if you’re so ready to jump back in and police it and then continue to bicker when you claim to be checking out of the toxic conversation. You’ve contributed to the toxicity too. Not as much as I have, of course, but you’ve contributed nonetheless, so I find your whole attitude to this thread weird.

Yes, I read the thread because I’m a moderator and share responsibilities with others here to review posts. There have probably been a hundred posts since I stopped contributing to this thread that I disagree with vehemently, but I’m not wading back into this pool. We’ll have to agree to disagree on the “goading”.

Anyone using “uninformed” and “unintelligent” interchangeably needs a dictionary because they’re not synonyms by any stretch.

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They’re not synonyms, but they usually go hand in hand. Most unintelligent people are very uninformed and vice versa.

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Which thread are we even in now?

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Never mind, mixed the two threads up yet again.

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mfm does the heavy lifting and dahmage was right on cue. I don’t fault Frink’s response as it was fairly reasonable and since Jay’s comment was directed at him it makes sense for him to respond.

Upshot: nobody needs to feel threatened by Jay unless he starts mumbling incantations or cites the rules.

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Mrebo said:

Box of rocks alluded to her status as a protest candidate aimed at taking down the establishment (metaphorical rock throwing) as well as the dopey things she says. When she is asked follow up questions on issues she appears passionate about she all but crumbles and becomes incoherent.

Her comments on Israel stand out where she was saying the correct liberal thing but reveals she doesn’t really have much of a clue when asked follow up questions. Her comments on the low unemployment rate where she said there’s low unemployment because people are working too many jobs. There’s her inability to express how the policies she favors would have funding. She has a degree in economics and international relations but based on those particular segments I saw, I wouldn’t have known it.

In a friendly interview with a friendly audience, I wager she does just fine. The ability to speak is plenty in politics.

So were you calling her dumb or not?

The phrase is usually “dumb as a box of rocks” and certainly doesn’t mean someone is a rock thrower. You seem to be claiming you were saying the latter rather than the former, but then you follow up with points that make you sound like you were saying the former.

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Yes, I was saying both. I thought of her as the rocks being thrown, by Bernie and that protest segment of the party. Not an obvious double entendre but to make absolutely clear: I also was saying she comes across as dumb.

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Good talk.

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Mrebo said:

This article helped me understand the intense dislike some have for Jordan Peterson.

I read that entire article and still have no idea what this Peterson guy is on about or why people dislike him.

Also, and sort of a tangent, what’s this about Leftism being like the final days of the Roman Empire? It’s an overly ominous attitude about the Left that has seemed to grow on the Atlantic these past few years. I’ve noticed it especially in their pieces on Trump, where the authors write as if his policies and tweets are couched in some form of intelligent strategy or overriding ideology instead of what they almost always are - an attempt to distract from the latest scandal and/or channel the media’s attention. This means that the Atlantic, and many other publications, play right into his hands when they ought to know better, and in fact they often do. When you read right to the end of the pieces, the authors often admit that they know just how cynical his ploys are, but the impression I get is one of defeat from the authors in their assumption that their article will not change anybody’s mind so why bother.

This is from the same publication that wrote this when supporting a presidential candidate for only the third time since 1857:

“In its founding statement, The Atlantic promised that it would be “the organ of no party or clique,” and our interest here is not to advance the prospects of the Democratic Party, nor to damage those of the Republican Party. If Hillary Clinton were facing Mitt Romney, or John McCain, or George W. Bush, or, for that matter, any of the leading candidates Trump vanquished in the Republican primaries, we would not have contemplated making this endorsement. We believe in American democracy, in which individuals from various parties of different ideological stripes can advance their ideas and compete for the affection of voters. But Trump is not a man of ideas. He is a demagogue, a xenophobe, a sexist, a know-nothing, and a liar. He is spectacularly unfit for office, and voters—the statesmen and thinkers of the ballot box—should act in defense of American democracy and elect his opponent.”

This is why the Atlantic infuriates me. If they are convinced that Trump is such a danger to the Republic, they should fight him regardless of how partisan it makes them look.

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NeverarGreat said:

Mrebo said:

This article helped me understand the intense dislike some have for Jordan Peterson.

I read that entire article and still have no idea what this Peterson guy is on about or why people dislike him.

The easiest way to put it is to say that he’s the conservative version of Neil deGrasse Tyson, and disliked by the left for much the same reason as any other conservative pundit. Not sure how his dislike characterizes some inherent weakness of the left.

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I don’t read the Atlantic enough to know what they tend to do. You have a point about the oddness of staying neutral if they perceive such danger as they proclaimed. Maybe it’s the journalistic ethic of staying neutral and pretense of a higher calling. Maybe the recognition that they’re not going to change anything by joining an already full chorus. The damage is done, so to speak, and waiting it out is really all one can do.

I do think there is a whole lot more to Trump’s actions than distracting people.

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I’m almost 60, and I’ve been hearing this Fall of the Roman Empire stuff since I was in elementary school.

There was a whole sermon on it in my southern small town church.

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Mrebo said:

I do think there is a whole lot more to Trump’s actions than distracting people.

Yeah but anything else is just him not being able to control himself.

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NeverarGreat said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I’m almost 60, and I’ve been hearing this Fall of the Roman Empire stuff since I was in elementary school.

True, but it’s always been applied to the USA in general, not to ‘the left’.

Hmm, not so sure about that. I’ve always heard of it relation to things like homosexuality, abortion, drugs, less Jesus, etc., the usual social battle cries of the right.

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Jordan Peterson is not against identity politics. He’s constantly talking about how oppressed men are.

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

NeverarGreat said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I’m almost 60, and I’ve been hearing this Fall of the Roman Empire stuff since I was in elementary school.

True, but it’s always been applied to the USA in general, not to ‘the left’.

Hmm, not so sure about that. I’ve always heard of it relation to things like homosexuality, abortion, drugs, less Jesus, etc., the usual social battle cries of the right.

This! All of those things are rights that liberals advocate for so if they aren’t saying the left is crashing and burning, that’s definitely the implication.

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