All Things Star Trek — Page 180

That alien in the elevator looks like something you’d find in The Animated Series. Not sure if that’s a good thing or bad thing.

I feel ashamed I love it more than the Discovery trailer.

LOL. That Season 2 trailer is laughably terrible. Now my anti-desire to watch Discovery is petrified.

chyron8472 said:

pittrek said:

I feel ashamed I love it more than the Discovery trailer.

Why should you be ashamed? The Orville is a better show.

That speech in the trailer for The Orville is great, jokes land more often than before. Granted, they cherry-picked them, but it still looks to be a marked improvement over season 1.

Meanwhile, DSC is now trying for what The Orville is - seemingly - growing out of, thought not completely judging by the bits they showed thus far.

I like Anson Mount as Pike a la Greenwood. They tried to make Georgiou into that kind of a character, but it never clicked for me. Michelle Yeoh seemed bored with her.

Now, if they space Burnham by season 3 and turn this mess into The Cpt. Pike Show I’d be happy about that (because they clearly have no clue on how to make her interesting. The Borg incident fleshed Picard out in a much-needed way, but the character was still worth following before that. Here you basically need something to that effect for the character to work at all, and I don’t think I want to see what the DSC creative team can come up with…). This far into DSC I don’t really care about breaking cannon since it’s tough to consider it Prime as it is, so just give me an entertaining show that isn’t trying too hard in either direction.

Eh, I don’t know. The only way to truly be creative and tell new stories is to stop listening to the fans and go your own way. The only problem is the people in charge of this show didn’t have a clear vision, and it felt like a desperate attempt to be “edgy and cool”, at the expense of the source material. When that failed, of course they would look at the other show and try to ape its success. This show is a joke.

Full disclosure: I have not watched a single episode of either show, lmao. And from everything I’ve seen, that doesn’t look to be changing soon.

Handman said:

Full disclosure: I have not watched a single episode of either show, lmao. And from everything I’ve seen, that doesn’t look to be changing soon.

Same. STD looks as good as it sounds, and I fucking hate Seth MacFarlane.

Handman said:

Eh, I don’t know. The only way to truly be creative and tell new stories is to stop listening to the fans and go your own way.

But why call it Star Trek then, if you change so many things that it doesn’t ‘feel’ as Star Trek anymore? The only thing I can come up with is brand recognition and that’s not a good reason.

The only problem is the people in charge of this show didn’t have a clear vision, and it felt like a desperate attempt to be “edgy and cool”, at the expense of the source material.

Well the only person who actually had a vision was fired for being too slow. And nobody of the new producing team (with the exception of Meyer, who was only a consultant and later left completely) has ever done anything similar to Star Trek before, and you can clearly see it.

When that failed, of course they would look at the other show and try to ape its success. This show is a joke.

Did it fail? I mean it failed with many of the old fans, but did CBS All Access and / or Netflix publish any numbers?

Full disclosure: I have not watched a single episode of either show, lmao. And from everything I’ve seen, that doesn’t look to be changing soon.

“The other show” is great, the only thing I hate about it is the humour. Which is strange since it’s supposed to be a comedy show.

chyron8472 said:

pittrek said:

I feel ashamed I love it more than the Discovery trailer.

Why should you be ashamed? The Orville is a better show.

Because I honestly was prepared to hate The Orville (I hate Family Guy after season 2/3), and love Discovery, I had a strange feeling when I soon started to feel the other way around

Did it fail? I mean it failed with many of the old fans, but did CBS All Access and / or Netflix publish any numbers?

I think ‘relative success’ would be a decent way of putting it. They got some new eyeballs, but likely not as many as they would’ve liked to get, nor can anyone be sure whether any of those eyeballs stuck wih their subscriptions once DSC ended. Unlikely, given that there really isn’t anything on there to watch. No official numbers past the initial free (half) episode as far as I know.

There’s also rumours (at least I think these were rumours) that Netflix wasn’t that happy with season 1 for what they paid for it (though I think they paid 2/3 of the cost of season 1 which is/used to be a standard network deal for TV shows? Feel free to correct me on this point).

It’s all very murky, but CBS is trying to frame it as a smash hit. That could be viewed as true within the context of CBSAA, which is very nearly a complete wasteland.

But why call it Star Trek then, if you change so many things that it doesn’t ‘feel’ as Star Trek anymore?

That’s not what I said at all. But good things don’t come from a committee.

Handman said:

But why call it Star Trek then, if you change so many things that it doesn’t ‘feel’ as Star Trek anymore?

That’s not what I said at all. But good things don’t come from a committee.

Ever heard of a writer’s room?

I am not a committee!

TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

But why call it Star Trek then, if you change so many things that it doesn’t ‘feel’ as Star Trek anymore?

That’s not what I said at all. But good things don’t come from a committee.

Ever heard of a writer’s room?

Ever heard of focus groups?

Yes but I don’t know how that has anything to do with what I said. Writer’s rooms are committees. Yes there’s a head writer but the blanket statement “good things don’t come from a committee” isn’t true.

I gave up on both new series.

I never even started.