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I hope this makes sense.
Completely understand, thanks for the insight!
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Wow, mind explaining your ranking? Legitimately interested if you’d like to share.
Is TPM #1 due to the nostalgic feeling you get from it? Not saying that’s a bad thing, it just makes me curious as the the literal opposite-ending of AOTC if that’s the case. Hope I’m not being presumptious.
Yeah i can explain.
TPM came out when I was around 4. Not only was it the movie though, it was the PlayStation games and the pod racing game and all of that gets wrapped up in my feeling of it as a film whenever I watch it. I know it’s not great but nothing really matches how it makes me feel.
ATOC however wasn’t able to be saved by the marketing machine. I still have fond memories of it but it can’t save how boring it can sometimes be.
As for ANH being 8, well. Like said before the list was not based on the quality of the films just how they make me feel. I really like ANH (obviously) yet I have the least emotional attachment to it as the others.
I hope this makes sense.
After being beaten and battered by prequel hate, I promise not to be that to the next generation.
I hope this makes sense.
Completely understand, thanks for the insight!
I really like ANH (obviously)
I’m glad you finally mentioned that because it’s not obvious from your list.
I really like ANH (obviously)
I’m glad you finally mentioned that because it’s not obvious from your list.
The only Star Wars movie I don’t have a strong connection to is ATOC. But my connection to each increases as the list goes up. Just because I don’t have an emotional connection to ANH doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy it as the amazing film it is.
After being beaten and battered by prequel hate, I promise not to be that to the next generation.
I don’t think I’ve updated my list in a while, at least since Solo. It changes quite often except for #1 and #2 so why not.
Huge Gap
1 - 8 I either love immensely or greatly enjoy, 9 onwards is indifferent or despise.
TV Show rankings:
Not huge on CGI animated shows. I respect that The Clone Wars especially has very good story telling, but I’ve never liked CGI shows no matter what the branding, and I’ve watched The Clone Wars from start to finish. I dunno, the aesthetics bother me. I realise that’s a personal thing though.
Episodes I - VI will always trump all as far as I’m concerned, their ordering is purely viewing preference. The Disney anthology films I get a huge amount of enjoyment out of. Was very surprised by Solo especially, a lot of fun.
The Ewoks movies I have a weird nostalgic attachment to so I enjoy them for that reason. The Force Awakens I quite hate for its story, but I enjoy it as a standalone movie on its own merits. The Clone Wars movie is crap but I can watch it when I’m drunk.
The Last Jedi is disgusting.
The Holiday Special gets last place purely because I’ve never made it through a full viewing in one sitting.
- Attack of the Clones
- The Empire Strikes Back
“Get over violence, madness and death? What else is there?”
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Now having seen Solo and having re-watched and re-evaluated The Last Jedi, here are my new rankings:
The Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars
Return of the Jedi
Solo
The Force Awakens
The Last Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
Rogue One
The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
I responded enthusiastically to my first watch of TLJ, and should emphasize that I don’t agree with the haters on the majority of things they love to complain and rave about it for. BUT on re-watching, it didn’t really hold up. Not because of FEMALES or anything like that, but because the main quality that made me feel excited watching it the first time – its subversiveness and unpredictability – no longer applied. Which meant that all that was left was the basic elements of the film – plot, character development, dialogue, etc. – and they had to stand on their own. And that meant an overlong movie filled with too many jokes that didn’t land, situations that made no sense, and characters that behaved stupidly.
Not to mention the hat trick Johnson pulled to make it feel like he was creating something fresh and bold was obvious on re-watch, and consequently it in fact feels even less original than The Force Awakens at times – i.e. the Snoke scene is literally almost verbatim the same as the Emperor scene in ROTJ, just with a TWIST. Luke sacrificed himself like Obi-Wan did, but it was more EXTREME. And so on. It remains somewhat interesting as a deconstruction of Star Wars, but in the end Johnson didn’t really capture what I personally like about Star Wars. That is especially clear when watched back-to-back with Solo, which DID capture what I like about Star Wars to a greater extent.
I responded enthusiastically to my first watch of TLJ, and should emphasize that I don’t agree with the haters on the majority of things they love to complain and rave about it for. BUT on re-watching, it didn’t really hold up. Not because of FEMALES or anything like that, but because the main quality that made me feel excited watching it the first time – its subversiveness and unpredictability – no longer applied. Which meant that all that was left was the basic elements of the film – plot, character development, dialogue, etc. – and they had to stand on their own. And that meant an overlong movie filled with too many jokes that didn’t land, situations that made no sense, and characters that behaved stupidly.
Not to mention the hat trick Johnson pulled to make it feel like he was creating something fresh and bold was obvious on re-watch, and consequently it in fact feels even less original than The Force Awakens at times – i.e. the Snoke scene is literally almost verbatim the same as the Emperor scene in ROTJ, just with a TWIST. Luke sacrificed himself like Obi-Wan did, but it was more EXTREME. And so on. It remains somewhat interesting as a deconstruction of Star Wars, but in the end Johnson didn’t really capture what I personally like about Star Wars. That is especially clear when watched back-to-back with Solo, which DID capture what I like about Star Wars to a greater extent.
Very well said.
I responded enthusiastically to my first watch of TLJ, and should emphasize that I don’t agree with the haters on the majority of things they love to complain and rave about it for. BUT on re-watching, it didn’t really hold up. Not because of FEMALES or anything like that, but because the main quality that made me feel excited watching it the first time – its subversiveness and unpredictability – no longer applied. Which meant that all that was left was the basic elements of the film – plot, character development, dialogue, etc. – and they had to stand on their own. And that meant an overlong movie filled with too many jokes that didn’t land, situations that made no sense, and characters that behaved stupidly.
Not to mention the hat trick Johnson pulled to make it feel like he was creating something fresh and bold was obvious on re-watch, and consequently it in fact feels even less original than The Force Awakens at times – i.e. the Snoke scene is literally almost verbatim the same as the Emperor scene in ROTJ, just with a TWIST. Luke sacrificed himself like Obi-Wan did, but it was more EXTREME. And so on. It remains somewhat interesting as a deconstruction of Star Wars, but in the end Johnson didn’t really capture what I personally like about Star Wars. That is especially clear when watched back-to-back with Solo, which DID capture what I like about Star Wars to a greater extent.
Very well said.
Agreed! I really feel like you put my thoughts into words perfectly there Density.
I don’t think I’ve updated my list in a while, at least since Solo. It changes quite often except for #1 and #2 so why not.
- Revenge of the Sith
- A New Hope
Same here.
- The Phantom Menace
Sure, why not.
- Attack of the Clones
Okay, what have you been smoking.
TV Show rankings:
- Clone Wars (2003)
- Droids
- Ewoks
- The Clone Wars (2008 Onwards)
- Rebels
You seriously put the 80s cartoons over Clone Wars '08? As mediocre as it is, even Rebels probably deserves to be above those.
Not huge on CGI animated shows. I respect that The Clone Wars especially has very good story telling, but I’ve never liked CGI shows no matter what the branding, and I’ve watched The Clone Wars from start to finish. I dunno, the aesthetics bother me. I realise that’s a personal thing though.
I can’t understand how you can dismiss a show purely based on aesthetic. I love Code Lyoko, and that show looks hideous.
Episodes I - VI will always trump all as far as I’m concerned, their ordering is purely viewing preference. The Disney anthology films I get a huge amount of enjoyment out of. Was very surprised by Solo especially, a lot of fun.
Certainly a feeling I can relate to.
I responded enthusiastically to my first watch of TLJ, and should emphasize that I don’t agree with the haters on the majority of things they love to complain and rave about it for. BUT on re-watching, it didn’t really hold up. Not because of FEMALES or anything like that, but because the main quality that made me feel excited watching it the first time – its subversiveness and unpredictability – no longer applied. Which meant that all that was left was the basic elements of the film – plot, character development, dialogue, etc. – and they had to stand on their own. And that meant an overlong movie filled with too many jokes that didn’t land, situations that made no sense, and characters that behaved stupidly.
Not to mention the hat trick Johnson pulled to make it feel like he was creating something fresh and bold was obvious on re-watch, and consequently it in fact feels even less original than The Force Awakens at times – i.e. the Snoke scene is literally almost verbatim the same as the Emperor scene in ROTJ, just with a TWIST. Luke sacrificed himself like Obi-Wan did, but it was more EXTREME. And so on. It remains somewhat interesting as a deconstruction of Star Wars, but in the end Johnson didn’t really capture what I personally like about Star Wars. That is especially clear when watched back-to-back with Solo, which DID capture what I like about Star Wars to a greater extent.
Interesting observation. I have yet to rewatch TLJ, but now I suspect this might become an issue when I do.
When writing my alternate prequel trilogy, it took a long time (several years) to stop writing imitations of the OT in the prequel era. The thing is, I had to get my mind into a ‘Star Wars’ place in order to write something that feels like the OT, and it was only on re-reading it that the imitation of the plot and theme became obvious. TFA and TLJ suffer from this problem a lot. TFA is the more obvious since it’s a love letter to the trilogy, but even TLJ’s deconstruction requires the situations of the originals.
Creating a good Star Wars sequel requires understanding the essence of the originals and not just their surface trappings - what the films are really about - and then taking the next thematically resonant step in the story. When I was thinking about a theoretical sequel trilogy before TFA came out, the story in my mind was to be about how to teach, and how to lead. This was the obvious next step after our heroes overthrew the Empire and became leaders and teachers in the New Republic. The reason that these sequels feel superfluous in my opinion is that TFA avoids this almost entirely, and TLJ approaches it sideways with Luke’s failure. However, if JJ recognizes the opportunity of Episode 9 to deal head on with this issue, especially through Rey and Kylo, then it could be the first really essential Star Wars sequel after ROTJ.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
ROTJ didn’t add much that wasn’t already there, though - at least in TFA and TLJ the reflexivity is part of the point. And I’d argue they managed to expand the saga at the same time.
ROTJ didn’t add much that wasn’t already there, though - at least in TFA and TLJ the reflexivity is part of the point. And I’d argue they managed to expand the saga at the same time.
They’ve expanded it inwards, if that makes sense.
agree with this ranking ^ minus a couple changes
1 The Empire Strikes Back (5 out of 5)
2 Star Wars (5 out of 5)
3 Rouge One (5 out of five)
4 The Force Awakens (4.5 out of 5)
5 Return of the Jedi (4 out of 5)
6 The Last Jedi(4 out of 5)
7 Revenge of the Sith (3.5 out of 5)
8 Solo: A Star Wars Story (3 out of 5)
9 Attack of the Clones (3out of 5)
10 The Phantom Menace (1.5 out of 5)
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
Star Wars
Don’t care about the rest. Watched the prequel trilogy once and barely sit it through. These new films I’ve seen clips on YT and don’t even wish to see it once.
You made a judgement based on YouTube clips? Ok.
I once talked to someone who said that their least favorite Star Wars movie was Empire because it was ‘really boring’.
Their favorite was RotS.
I once talked to someone who said that their least favorite Star Wars movie was Empire because it was ‘really boring’.
Their favorite was RotS.
Well at least they’re consistent…?
If he gave me his rankings I’d put money on his being the polar opposite of mine.
I once talked to someone who said that their least favorite Star Wars movie was Empire because it was ‘really boring’.
Their favorite was RotS.
Were they 9 years old?
I once talked to someone who said that their least favorite Star Wars movie was Empire because it was ‘really boring’.
Their favorite was RotS.
Were they 9 years old?
my brother’s favorite is RotS and he’s 35. he loves TESB too, it’s his number 2.
Loving RotS is normal. Disliking ESB is not.