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Kurt Busiek’s career was just starting in the early 80s, so that’s possible.

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ZkinandBonez said:

A while back I found these six pages from an old article about the “Goodwin-years” of Marvel Star Wars. I don’t know what magazine this is from, but I made them into a PDF and figured I’d share it here.

‘Star Wars Under Archie Goodwin’ by Kurt Busiek

Cool article , thank you for sharing . I saw Archie Goodwin signing and talking to fans about this series at the Chicago Comic Con back in early 1995 and he was one hell of a nice guy. I think he had a great handle on the characters , I have to disagree with part of this article though as I thought his first story arc on the water world felt like it could have been an awesome Star Wars movie and it had the sense of grand scale and pacing that are a Star Wars hallmark . And while I like that Infantino had a quirky style that got the essence of the characters in interpretation , I am partial to Walter Simonson or Ron Frenz with Tom Palmer . Goodwin did write some of the best stories though and David Michellinie wrote the penultimate arc between issues 55 and 63 with the Shira Brie /Pariah story arc.One of the things I like most about Goodwin though , and he mentioned this himself in the letters column of one of the issues he wrote, was that he realized Darth Vader was too good a villian to be over used and was more effective when used sparingly so he had more of an impact .This is one thing Current Marvel does not get . While some of it has been ok in my opinion , having a Darth Vader series misses the point.And back to the article , yeah , Michellinie’s Tarkin/Death Star story was a bit of a rehash , but it did anticipate the events of ROTJ and the same could be said of TFA. I also enjoyed a lot of the stories written by Jo Duffy with both Ron Frenz and Cynthia Martin prior to them getting their hands tied and the series getting a little wonky the last few issues .

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ZkinandBonez said:

A while back I found these six pages from an old article about the “Goodwin-years” of Marvel Star Wars. I don’t know what magazine this is from, but I made them into a PDF and figured I’d share it here.

‘Star Wars Under Archie Goodwin’ by Kurt Busiek

Cool article , thank you for sharing . I saw Archie Goodwin signing and talking to fans about this series at the Chicago Comic Con back in early 1995 and he was one hell of a nice guy. I think he had a great handle on the characters , I have to disagree with part of this article though as I thought his first story arc on the water world felt like it could have been an awesome Star Wars movie and it had the sense of grand scale and pacing that are a Star Wars hallmark . And while I like that Infantino had a quirky style that got the essence of the characters in interpretation , I am partial to Walter Simonson or Ron Frenz with Tom Palmer . Goodwin did write some of the best stories though and David Michellinie wrote the penultimate arc between issues 55 and 63 with the Shira Brie /Pariah story arc.One of the things I like most about Goodwin though , and he mentioned this himself in the letters column of one of the issues he wrote, was that he realized Darth Vader was too good a villian to be over used and was more effective when used sparingly so he had more of an impact .This is one thing Current Marvel does not get . While some of it has been ok in my opinion , having a Darth Vader series misses the point.And back to the article , yeah , Michellinie’s Tarkin/Death Star story was a bit of a rehash , but it did anticipate the events of ROTJ and the same could be said of TFA. I also enjoyed a lot of the stories written by Jo Duffy with both Ron Frenz and Cynthia Martin prior to them getting their hands tied and the series getting a little wonky the last few issues .

I think Michelinie did ROTJ better than Lucas did! The Tarkin made sense because it used Death Star tech in an innovative way (as opposed to “hey, here’s a bigger one!” a la ROTJ and TFA). Plus its destruction was from within rather than just another ‘exhaust port/main reactor’ scenario. The Hoojibs on Arbra (complete with hover-bikes) did ‘cuteness’ and Endor much better than ROTJ. And finally Shira Brie would’ve made an infinitely better ‘other hope’ than the clumsily shoehorned Leia.

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ZkinandBonez said:

A while back I found these six pages from an old article about the “Goodwin-years” of Marvel Star Wars. I don’t know what magazine this is from, but I made them into a PDF and figured I’d share it here.

‘Star Wars Under Archie Goodwin’ by Kurt Busiek

Cool article , thank you for sharing . I saw Archie Goodwin signing and talking to fans about this series at the Chicago Comic Con back in early 1995 and he was one hell of a nice guy. I think he had a great handle on the characters , I have to disagree with part of this article though as I thought his first story arc on the water world felt like it could have been an awesome Star Wars movie and it had the sense of grand scale and pacing that are a Star Wars hallmark.

I agree. “Waterworld” is a pretty fun story, and I think it would have made a fun animated movie (a what-if idea I’ve already played with for fun), though back in back in 1978 it was definitely a, for the lack of a better word, oddity. I think nowadays it’s more common to gravitate towards SW stories without the Empire, but back then it probably felt kinda weird. In one of the letters columns someone complained about the lack of Imperials prior to the Siege at Yavin story-line. I guess back then when there was just one movie (or two by the time of the article) fans really just wanted simple Rebellion vs Empire stories like in the movie(s). Nowadays that idea can to some fans border on the mundane. I personally think “The Wheel” story-line is the most interesting and well-balance story. It’s a perfect blend of the new ideas from “waterworld” and the more movie-like ideas of fighting the Empire.

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And while I like that Infantino had a quirky style that got the essence of the characters in interpretation , I am partial to Walter Simonson or Ron Frenz with Tom Palmer . Goodwin did write some of the best stories though and David Michellinie wrote the penultimate arc between issues 55 and 63 with the Shira Brie /Pariah story arc.

Though I’ve enjoyed pretty much all of the original Marvel SW stories, both plot and art, I’ve personally always gravitated towards the more “cartoonish” art style of Infantino. It just works for me. The Goodwin/Infantino stories almost feel like watching a SW cartoon in comic form. I’m a big fan of Simonson’s work (Thor and Ragnarök especially), but I unfortunately think Tom Palmer’s inking kind of watered down Simonson’s unique style beyond recognition. It’s still good, but it’s not pure-Simonson. It almost looks Al Williamson-esque. If Simonson had been able to ink his own work, like he did on some of the covers, I probably would have loved these stories a lot more. The post-Goodwin stories were great as well, but I always felt that Goodwin was a bit more adventurous and straight-forward. The post-ESB story-lines could get a little complicated at times (for me at least). It really just boils down to preference.

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One of the things I like most about Goodwin though , and he mentioned this himself in the letters column of one of the issues he wrote, was that he realized Darth Vader was too good a villian to be over used and was more effective when used sparingly so he had more of an impact .This is one thing Current Marvel does not get . While some of it has been ok in my opinion , having a Darth Vader series misses the point.

Depends on which of the two Vader series you’re talking about. The new one has been great in my opinion, but that really hinges on what Darth Vader has become in the post-PT era. Back in the original Marvel years he was through-and-through a villain. And a villain like Vader had to be used sparingly so as to not make him into a goofy Skeletor-type that was constantly out-witted by the good guys.

The new Vader however, is more of a tragic and sympathetic character. Sure, that was present in the 80’s as well, but it’s much more in focus now. And although I’m hardly a great admirer of ROTS, I’ve really enjoyed the new Vader series because it picks up immediately after ep. III. I think it’s fascinating to read a series where you’re rooting for the gradually corruption of a previously good(-ish) person.

But that’s what’s so fascinating to me about comparing the old and the new Marvel series, they have such vastly different starting points. The source material is completely different, despite sharing a few of the same films.

In the end though, the originals, both film and comics, have a simplicity to them that in my opinion just can’t be beat.

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And back to the article , yeah ,Michellinie’s Tarkin/Death Star story was a bit of a rehash , but it did anticipate the events of ROTJ and the same could be said of TFA. I also enjoyed a lot of the stories written by Jo Duffy with both Ron Frenz and Cynthia Martin prior to them getting their hands tied and the series getting a little wonky the last few issues .

The Tarkin-weapon story was one of the Marvel SW stories I actually owned and read as a kid (buying old comics was both cheaper and more fun than the new ones), and I never had a problem with it. It was a creative solution, and a fair bit more inventive than just building another DS. My only complaint is that they could have spent more time with it. They blow it up a tad too quick and easy. However the “kill Darth Vader” conspiracy was a pretty interesting sub-plot.

I think Duffy’s work should be commended regardless of what one might think about the stories themselves. That she managed to keep SW alive for several years after ROTJ was no small responsibility. (And I guess it was as good a time as any to experiment.) As a side note, I really like her “Silent Drifting” story. Any PT-era story made before the actual prequels, will always be greatly fascinating to me.

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I think both Shopping Maul and ZkinandBonez make good points , the Tarkin story was a better way of making something like a second death star without making a carbon copy of it .Although, Michellinie’s first pitch for the story was a literal second Death Star and Lucasfilm put the brakes on it for obvious reasons , so he invented the Tarkin superweapon instead .I also thought it should have been a longer arc. And , ZkinandBones , that Doomorld dvd cover is pure awesome sauce ! I want to see it in animated form or at least a motion comic now ! I also had not considered how the source material each comic series drew from had changed .I will always prefer the original though, but you make some valid points.

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screams in the void said:

And , ZkinandBones , that Doomorld dvd cover is pure awesome sauce ! I want to see it in animated form or at least a motion comic now !

Thanks.
Like I mentioned, I think the Infantino style really lends itself to animation, and Goodwin’s stories does have a TV-series feel to it.

I figured, if they had been a cartoon, what would a VHS look of them look like? So I took the 90’s VHS cover for the movie version of several Droids episodes, copied the style, and made a couple of Marvel SW VHS covers just for fun.

I also took inspiration from how the Scandinavian comics combined 5-6 issue story-lines into albums, so I made one for “waterworld”, “The Wheel” and a combination of “Siege at Yavin” and the “Omega Frost”.

“Doomworld”

“Deathgame”

“Omega Frost”

(I got a little lazy with the front art, but it’s the kind of thing that might have been done for a real VHS set.)

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Very cool ! I have seen those Droids vhs tapes that you mentioned and I recognize the style . I think it would be an awesome project to get a group of people together , record voices and make an animated motion comic of the original series from beginning to end .Also , have you shared these covers in the fan art section of this forum ? if not , I think you definitely should .

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Very cool ! I have seen those Droids vhs tapes that you mentioned and I recognize the style . I think it would be an awesome project to get a group of people together , record voices and make an animated motion comic of the original series from beginning to end .Also , have you shared these covers in the fan art section of this forum ? if not , I think you definitely should.

Even as a motion-comic that would be quite an ambitious project. (Not really my kind of thing either.) Plus, making all the comics into free videos might might not sit too well with Marvel.

However, very hypothetically speaking, if I had a million dollars I’d love make a proper cartoon out the series. Well, as an aspiring live-action filmmaker I’d probably make a proper film if I had that kind of money, but if I had two I’d definitely do both.

And no, I haven’t shared them on the fan art section. I guess I should. EDIT: I now have.

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yeah , that would be cool to have a proper cartoon , I think a motion comic of the best arcs would be doable though , there are a lot of ongoing projects on youtube that use even the current comics such as here…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W65-4VTOcl0 as long as it is stated clearly as an adaptation and fan project not for profit , I think it would fly . It has always been a little dream of mine to have these stories come to life in some capacity . Any one else watching this thread have the time or inclination to take this on ?

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Cool VHS cover! And the Nelvana personnel in the credits is a nice touch.

With Warner cranking out all those direct to video DC movies, you’d think Disney would get an idea to do some animated Star Wars films.

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screams in the void said:

yeah , that would be cool to have a proper cartoon , I think a motion comic of the best arcs would be doable though , there are a lot of ongoing projects on youtube that use even the current comics such as here…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W65-4VTOcl0 as long as it is stated clearly as an adaptation and fan project not for profit , I think it would fly . It has always been a little dream of mine to have these stories come to life in some capacity . Any one else watching this thread have the time or inclination to take this on ?

True. And if anyone would actually bother to make motion-comics out of it, that would be pretty neat. I might even make an exception and give it a look.

I still think a cartoon is a more fun idea, but, as you suggested, it’s unfortunately too crazy to be practical.


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Cool VHS cover! And the Nelvana personnel in the credits is a nice touch.

Truth be told, I found it difficult to photoshop the names so I just kept the old ones. But it did end up working out really nicely. I managed to copy/paste several letters from the other names to add Archie Goodwin to the list though.

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With Warner cranking out all those direct to video DC movies, you’d think Disney would get an idea to do some animated Star Wars films.

Yeah, hopefully Lucasfilm will one day, when the hype over the new movies and canon has died down a bit, make some proper animated films about books and comics like Shadows of the Empire or the Thrawn trilogy similarly to how, as you mention, Warner keeps adaption DC stories like Batman: Year One into direct to video animated features. Unfortunately, I don’t think the old Marvel stories is likely to happen. Might be a bit too “obscure” to warrant that kind of financial commitment.

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Well, I never thought we’d see Jaxxon in a new comic book either. 😉

And look what Marvel has done with characters that were once considered obscure. I never thought I’d see Rocket Raccoon in the movies!

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I just came across this Star Wars Weekly B&W pin-up by Tony DeZuniga and just had to share it here.

It reminds me a lot of the cover of SW #2, only here Han & Chewie is involved in the fight. Plus, all the aliens are completely original creations. (Source)

(I know this is quite a stretch, but some of these aliens, especially the guy with the knife at the bottom right corner, reminds me a lot of the wacky Hungarian poster for ANH.)

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Well, that’s certainly a different take on the Cantina scene! 😃

There’s even a Seeker ball hovering around, straight out of Ralph McQuarrie’s concept painting. The original concept being they that seek out those sentenced to death by the Empire and execute them.

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Speaking of Tony Dezuniga , here is a link to some of his work on the American Marvel comics magazine Pizzaz which was one of the earliest Star Wars stories outside the films …http://diversionsofthegroovykind.blogspot.com/2011/01/ol-grooves-request-line-star-wars-with.html also, That was a really cool post of the cantina scene ZkinandBonez , in the U.S. it was used as the cover of F.O.O.M. (friends of old Marvel ) magazine , I have never seen it sans color though , thanks for posting . Here is the image in color …click on the pic to see full image…https://comicbookrealm.com/series/772/9926/marvel-foom-friends-of-ol-marvel-issue-21

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screams in the void said:

That was a really cool post of the cantina scene ZkinandBonez , in the U.S. it was used as the cover of F.O.O.M. (friends of old Marvel ) magazine , I have never seen it sans color though , thanks for posting . Here is the image in color …click on the pic to see full image…https://comicbookrealm.com/series/772/9926/marvel-foom-friends-of-ol-marvel-issue-21

I on the other hand have never seen it in colour before. I do like the weird 70’s colours that Marvel used to have, red lightsabers and all.

But since the pin-up version had almost all of the art intact, I figured it’d be fun to recolour it similarly to what Dark Horse did in the Classic Star Wars series or the “Special Editions” of the movie adaptations.

This is just the first version. I might change some of the colours on both Chewie and the alien at the bottom right to make everything even less retro-looking. Plus, I’m probably going to notice some mistakes after a while. (Feedback would be appreciated.)

It’s also interesting to see that the FOOM version is different from the SWW pin-up. The most obvious change being that Han is much closer to Ben in the pin-up version.

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very cool ! I like how you got Ben’s saber the correct color and the more subdued tones on the aliens …I think if you add in a little more reflected light, as from the overhead apparatus ,onto the figures , as well as some suggesting of more shadows it would be perfect .

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screams in the void said:

very cool ! I like how you got Ben’s saber the correct color and the more subdued tones on the aliens …I think if you add in a little more reflected light, as from the overhead apparatus ,onto the figures , as well as some suggesting of more shadows it would be perfect .

Yeah, I figured the same thing and added some proper shading to the aliens on the left. I find adding reflected light hard to do so I only added it to Chalmun (I guess that’s who it’s supposed to represent), but I figured the aliens looked fine the way they were (maybe I’ll try changing that later).

I also had to adjust the contrast so that all the shadows were properly black. It looked a little weird in the first version as you could see colour smudges all over the muted shadows (it actually reminded me of how old comics used to look). The contrast altered the line art a tiny bit and made the bright areas a little “grainier”, but overall I think it works pretty well.

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screams in the void said:

also , A lot of original Infantino pages without color at this link …would love to see how you would color them !..http://www.comicartfans.com/SearchResult.asp

I had the same idea and I’ve already started to google clean Infantino art. I might add the Classic Star Wars logo to them just for fun.

I’ll post links to it whenever I get around to it.
(I also have to finished that text-less version of issue #25 that I said I was going to do a few weeks ago.)

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screams in the void said:

That looks awesome ! It is much more vibrant and the colors “pop” more. Looking forward to seeing 25 as well as your upcoming creations.

Thanks.

I actually got a bit carried away and immediately started working on another DeZuniga poster. I’m not too sure about this one though, the colours are all over the place, but it ended up being good practice. https://imgur.com/p6zJLYh

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pretty cool though , I am also a big fan of Dezungia’s work on Savage Sword Of Conan and this illustration is well suited to his style and reminiscent of the Tom Jung movie poster as well. Only suggestion I would make is to use the same color palette for Han and Luke’s skin tones as you did for Leia. Looks really nice overall though.

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