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i don’t think ren is a title, i think it’s just a new name he came up with.
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i don’t think ren is a title, i think it’s just a new name he came up with.
The implication I got was that all of the Knights of Ren held that same title. But I don’t believe it’s been confirmed either way yet.
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It’s only silly now in retrospect when the PT tells us Obi-wan is such a dummy that he’s basically saying “…only a master of evil, Lord”
The word “lord” is a weird case where you wouldn’t really use it in that way (more likely “my lord”). I always saw Darth as a title used more like “general” or “master” or “count,” where people refer to them by just their title all the time. I’m not a linguist so I apologize if I’m not explaining this sufficiently, though it should be easy to understand.
That makes sense. If Darth is nothing more than a designation (like Moff or General), Obi-wan is saying that he’s no more than this designation, a mere cog in the Imperial machine.
This still doesn’t explain why he says ‘A young Jedi named Darth Vader’. I don’t think there’s a way of interpreting this as anything other than his actual name.
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A young teacher named Mr. Clark…
A young lawmaker named Senator Johnson…
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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A young teacher named Mr. Clark…
A young lawmaker named Senator Johnson…
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Rephrasing it would have solved the problem.
“Darth Vader, a young Jedi who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights.”
Now it’s awkward in a more technically correct way. Yay English!
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Ok but this
This still doesn’t explain why he says ‘A young Jedi named Darth Vader’. I don’t think there’s a way of interpreting this as anything other than his actual name.
makes no sense.
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It does if you’re playing the game in off topic.
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A young teacher named Mr. Clark…
A young lawmaker named Senator Johnson…
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But if you were talking about “a good friend” would you refer to him as “Mr. Clark”?
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And if Darth is his title, why his he repeatedly referred to as “Lord Vader”?
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
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well, obi-wan was lying in the scene where he talks to luke, so it doesn’t really matter. in the scene where he meets vader it does sound awkward since darth is a title, but… “only a master of evil, vader” sounds terrible.
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And if Darth is his title, why his he repeatedly referred to as “Lord Vader”?
i mean, even dooku calls palpatine “lord sidious” in aotc i think.
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I posit that either line would have worked, and it’s just dozens of repetitions of that line which have made any other line sound wrong.
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i don’t think ren is a title, i think it’s just a new name he came up with.
The implication I got was that all of the Knights of Ren held that same title. But I don’t believe it’s been confirmed either way yet.
the implication i got was that the knights of ren were kylo’s knights. like, it’d be the same of there were the knights of vader. they’d be vader’s knights. something like that.
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I posit that either line would have worked, and it’s just dozens of repetitions of that line which have made any other line sound wrong.
i guess. would it be possible to edit “vader” in to that scene?
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It’s only silly now in retrospect when the PT tells us Obi-wan is such a dummy that he’s basically saying “…only a master of evil, Lord”
The word “lord” is a weird case where you wouldn’t really use it in that way (more likely “my lord”). I always saw Darth as a title used more like “general” or “master” or “count,” where people refer to them by just their title all the time. I’m not a linguist so I apologize if I’m not explaining this sufficiently, though it should be easy to understand.
That makes sense. If Darth is nothing more than a designation (like Moff or General), Obi-wan is saying that he’s no more than this designation, a mere cog in the Imperial machine.
This still doesn’t explain why he says ‘A young Jedi named Darth Vader’. I don’t think there’s a way of interpreting this as anything other than his actual name.
Except, no matter what, we know after ESB that that’s not his actual name.
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And if Darth is his title, why his he repeatedly referred to as “Lord Vader”?
Why is Obi-wan referred to as “General Kenobi” if Master is his title?
Unless I’m forgetting something, no one ever refers to him as Lord Darth Vader.
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It does if you’re playing the game in off topic.
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well, obi-wan was lying in the scene where he talks to luke, so it doesn’t really matter.
Darth (see what I did there 😛) wasn’t yet intended as Luke’s father when SW was written/filmed. The debate is about what ‘Darth’ was ORIGINALLY intended to be. So this is irrelevant.
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well, obi-wan was lying in the scene where he talks to luke, so it doesn’t really matter.
Darth (see what I did there 😛) wasn’t yet intended as Luke’s father when SW was written/filmed. The debate is about what ‘Darth’ was ORIGINALLY intended to be. So this is irrelevant.
I don’t think that’s the debate at all.
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Well replace it with … I don’t know “mister” or “count” as you say and maybe it works. But is Obi-wan being sassy then or just senile?
As for Ren… he gets no respect!
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Well replace it with … I don’t know “mister” or “count” as you say and maybe it works. But is Obi-wan being sassy then or just senile?
Coy just in case Luke is hearing. Don’t want to spoil that twist.
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And if Darth is his title, why his he repeatedly referred to as “Lord Vader”?
Unless I’m forgetting something, no one ever refers to him as Lord Darth Vader.
tesb’s crawl
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And if Darth is his title, why his he repeatedly referred to as “Lord Vader”?
Unless I’m forgetting something, no one ever refers to him as Lord Darth Vader.
tesb’s crawl
Dang
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And if Darth is his title, why his he repeatedly referred to as “Lord Vader”?
Unless I’m forgetting something, no one ever refers to him as Lord Darth Vader.
tesb’s crawl
Dang
This conversation should be saved for the ages. I can’t believe I never noticed that.
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And if Darth is his title, why his he repeatedly referred to as “Lord Vader”?
Unless I’m forgetting something, no one ever refers to him as Lord Darth Vader.
tesb’s crawl
Dang
And also the credits for Star Wars calls him “Lord Darth Vader.”