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So… what’s your point?
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I think their point is that R1’s characters are just fine.
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Ah, I see.
I fundamentally disagree with that but I respect their right to that opinion.
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except that it makes no sense. i love r1, and think that jyn, cassian, k2 and krennic are awesome characters. bohdi should’ve been more well developed, but he’s not too far behind cassian. chirrut and baze are the real problem here.
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Ha, I think Chirrut, Baze, and K2 are the best characters (ok, and Krennic). It’s mostly Jyn and a little bit Cassian that I thought fell flat initially. Though with repeat viewings I’ve come to like them as well.
But Baze and Chirrut are easily my favorite characters from R1 and I wish we could have gotten more of them (still need to get their little novel). Heck, they’re some of my favorite characters from all the new Disney era films period!
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oh, i quite like them, they simply aren’t developed at all. they’re just… there.
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… That is an… Interesting username…
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With all the talk about how there’s no character development in Rogue One I have to laugh and say that there wasn’t any character development in the original Star Wars movie. Yep, that’s right, there was a lot of critics back in 1977 that said that the characters in Star Wars were boring and bland and that the movie moves along too quickly that you can’t really get to know the characters at all. You see boys and girls you can’t put these movies on a Shakespearean pedestal.
Luke learns to let go of his fear and believe in himself (the force).
Han learns to not be a selfish prick.
Jyn learns…
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To work with other people for a higher goal, instead of hiding away all by herself. And that’s just the most superficial lesson and I haven’t seen the movie since it was in theaters. There is probably even more if you actually looked for it.
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EDIT: What Frank said.
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To Frank you listen
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Rogue One is NOT a movie about individual characters anyway it’s way more about the collective sacrifice.
Reality sucks, watch movies.
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Rogue One is NOT a movie about individual characters anyway it’s way more about the collective sacrifice.
But suicide mission plots exist elsewhere, they’ve been done. With characters. Or are you saying that ensemble cast movies don’t need characters? What are you saying?
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To work with other people for a higher goal, instead of hiding away all by herself. And that’s just the most superficial lesson and I haven’t seen the movie since it was in theaters. There is probably even more if you actually looked for it.
If that were the case, why does she effectively betray the rebellion? It would make more sense if the rebels were the ones who were going to sacrifice themselves regardless and it’s Jyn, not Ackbar ripoff, who comes last second and turns the tide.
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Because by that point she already learnt that lesson? I’m not saying the movie is perfect, but to say that Jyn doesn’t learn anything or has no character development is plainly wrong.
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Rogue One is NOT a movie about individual characters anyway it’s way more about the collective sacrifice.
Still boring though.
Not enough people read the EU.
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Rogue One is NOT a movie about individual characters anyway it’s way more about the collective sacrifice.
But suicide mission plots exist elsewhere, they’ve been done. With characters. Or are you saying that ensemble cast movies don’t need characters? What are you saying?
There’s characters in Rogue One. You might not like them but they’re there.
Reality sucks, watch movies.
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Jyn’s character arc was terrible.
She doesn’t give a crap about the Rebellion. I would expect the rest of the movie to build towards a moment where she finally decides to fight for something greater than herself. But instead, she declares to Saw that she could care less about the Rebellion, and in the very next scene she sees a hologram of her Dad. And then after seeing that hologram, her character now is absolutely dedicated to the cause of the Rebellion and set on finding the Death Star plans.
Sure, the hologram scene was emotional for her, but I would have preferred to not have her entire character arc happen in one scene.
I don’t know why it’s different for me, but Rogue One’s characters were severely lacking for me.
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At least you say that there is a character arc.
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At least you say that there is a character arc.
I mean sure. She changes in the movie. But it happens over the course of one scene and I think that she was an terribly written character.
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At least you say that there is a character arc.
I mean sure. She changes in the movie. But it happens over the course of one scene and I think that she was an terribly written character.
I haven’t seen the movie*, but I don’t think you are right about this being all in one scene.
*In the past 8 months or so.
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At least you say that there is a character arc.
I mean sure. She changes in the movie. But it happens over the course of one scene and I think that she was an terribly written character.
I haven’t seen the movie*, but I don’t think you are right about this being all in one scene.
*In the past 8 months or so.
I’d love to hear a response to how what I said is not correct. She does not give a crap about the rebellion. She sees hologram in the very next scene. After this she is set on finding the death star plans and stopping the completion of the superweapon.
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At least you say that there is a character arc.
I mean sure. She changes in the movie. But it happens over the course of one scene and I think that she was an terribly written character.
I haven’t seen the movie*, but I don’t think you are right about this being all in one scene.
*In the past 8 months or so.
I’d love to hear a response to how what I said is not correct. She does not give a crap about the rebellion. She sees hologram in the very next scene. After this she is set on finding the death star plans and stopping the completion of the superweapon.
Send me 2.5 hours of free time and I’ll get right on it.
I’m just saying, I think if this really was such a poorly written scene as you claim it would have stuck out to me and I would remember it. But I don’t remember feeling that way about that scene, so I am disagreeing with you as accurately as I can manage.
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I’d say that she still isn’t convinced to fight for the Rebellion in the Hologram scene. She is actually more interested in finding and rescuing her father. It is only after his death (strangely, at the hands of the Rebellion) that she decides to get the plans. I don’t think she ever really aligns with the Rebellion, more accurate to say that they both have the same objective in the end.
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To me there was no discernible arc in Rogue One other than learning to work towards a cause that you don’t really much about.
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