Most Baffling Complaint of a Star Wars Movie — Page 6

darthrush said:

No maybe that all the lead characters are still white (Rey, Kylo Ren, Luke, Jyn Urso). The racially diverse characters are pushed to side characters. And I should include the directors who have all been white men.

I agree to an extent, although “side characters” is unfair to Finn, Poe, and even Cassian. Yes the leads are all white but Star Wars movies always have more than one main character.

darthrush said:

Sure, it’s an improvement but I just find it frustrating that they haven’t had the balls yet to have a person of color as the lead character.

I’d say though that they were essentially positioning John Boyega as the lead of TFA during the marketing of that film (or at least as much the lead as Daisy Ridley).

darthrush said:

Sure, it’s an improvement but I just find it frustrating that they haven’t had the balls yet to have a person of color as the lead character.

I’d say though that they were essentially positioning John Boyega as the lead of TFA during the marketing of that film (or at least as much the lead as Daisy Ridley).

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

No maybe that all the lead characters are still white (Rey, Kylo Ren, Luke, Jyn Urso). The racially diverse characters are pushed to side characters. And I should include the directors who have all been white men.

I agree to an extent, although “side characters” is unfair to Finn, Poe, and even Cassian. Yes the leads are all white but Star Wars movies always have more than one main character.

I agree on Cassian but The Last Jedi took Finn from a main character to more of a side character in my opinion. I bet he will get more spotlight in Ep. 9 though.

That’s debatable. It’s clear that he was originally designed to be a character we focused a lot on (originally opening the film with him + a lot of other deleted material). His diminished presence is simply due to trims in the editing room, so it’s weird to say that “the black character was sidelined.” He still had his own full storyline (one that didn’t include any white characters), whether people liked it or not.

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

No maybe that all the lead characters are still white (Rey, Kylo Ren, Luke, Jyn Urso). The racially diverse characters are pushed to side characters. And I should include the directors who have all been white men.

I agree to an extent, although “side characters” is unfair to Finn, Poe, and even Cassian. Yes the leads are all white but Star Wars movies always have more than one main character.

darthrush said:

Sure, it’s an improvement but I just find it frustrating that they haven’t had the balls yet to have a person of color as the lead character.

I’d say though that they were essentially positioning John Boyega as the lead of TFA during the marketing of that film (or at least as much the lead as Daisy Ridley).

Yep, but I quite clearly remember how I felt a little misled by the marketing after I saw the movie since Finn was not the lead. And it got worse in the Last Jedi. Finn I feel has kind of gotten not treated with enough respect as a character. He was soooo interesting and in all honesty, one of my favorite things about TFA.

He still is the main character in TFA though. Just because Rey has a slightly bigger role doesn’t change that.

darthrush said:

Agree to disagree I guess. I felt he was turned into much more of an side character in the Last Jedi.

His part is smaller, that’s undebatable. But “side character” is a reductive description. Side characters don’t usually get character arcs and fully separate plot threads that they are the leads of.

A plotline with Boyega, Tran, and Del Toro. Not bad.

Still had a white (male?) droid though.

darthrush said:

And cause Disney isn’t even close to pushing a propaganda. Correction, they only act like they stand for diverse casting.

I think what it is is that they pretend to be diverse by having a diverse cast, but behind the scenes it’s all white men.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

I’d say though that they were essentially positioning John Boyega as the lead of TFA during the marketing of that film (or at least as much the lead as Daisy Ridley).

Not in China, they didn’t.

I know.

darthrush said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

darthrush said:

And cause Disney isn’t even close to pushing a propaganda. Correction, they only act like they stand for diverse casting.

I think what it is is that they pretend to be diverse by having a diverse cast, but behind the scenes it’s all white men.

No, look at my other posts clarifying what I said. My point is that a truly diverse and bold move would be having a person of color as a lead in one of the movies, which they have failed to do in addition to still only hiring white men as directors.

So yes, my point does apply to both casting and the choice of people behind the camera.

I think it’s pretty obvious that Disney is hedging their bets with these Star Wars films in terms of casting. They don’t really care about diversity, they just care about their bottom line.

Though as was argued above I would say Finn is one of the two leads in TFA. His part is equally important in the film in my opinion. He gets just as much screentime as Rey in the first movie.

I agree that his character has much less impact in TLJ. I just don’t think his storyline was very well written.

darthrush said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

darthrush said:

And cause Disney isn’t even close to pushing a propaganda. Correction, they only act like they stand for diverse casting.

I think what it is is that they pretend to be diverse by having a diverse cast, but behind the scenes it’s all white men.

No, look at my other posts clarifying what I said. My point is that a truly diverse and bold move would be having a person of color as a lead in one of the movies, which they have failed to do in addition to still only hiring white men as directors.

So yes, my point does apply to both casting and the choice of people behind the camera.

Oh I saw them. I was just putting in my two cents.

Well by the marketing stage, I’m sure they knew his role, and they were just trying to deceive us (which I think was clever).

The claim that everyone should have suspected something because of Jango being both the clone template and Dooku’s assasin. If it came out that a military contractor was selling weapons to both America and ISIS, I doubt many people would claim that the President is the secret leader of ISIS.

Darth as a title sounds cooler than “Darth” being Vader’s first name.
“Darth, we must talk.” Just sounds kind of silly. Rhymes with Garth.
But, having a bunch of other dark side Force users with “Darth” as a title/name, along with a red light saber, makes Darth Vader less unique.

Grevious’ cough was another thing I disliked, because, like the above, it makes Darth Vader less unique. Here, we also have an asthmatic cyborg villain. Plus, despite all the crazy CGI robot kung fu, this coughing and wheezing video game villain didn’t seem that threatening. The cartoon version was so much better.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Voss Caltrez said:

Darth as a title sounds cooler than “Darth” being Vader’s first name.
“Darth, we must talk.” Just sounds kind of silly. Rhymes with Garth.

Yeah, almost as silly as, “Only a master of evil, Darth.”

You’re right, that quote sounds a lot more silly if Darth is his name instead of a title.

It’s only silly now in retrospect when the PT tells us Obi-wan is such a dummy that he’s basically saying “…only a master of evil, Lord”

Mocata said:

It’s only silly now in retrospect when the PT tells us Obi-wan is such a dummy that he’s basically saying “…only a master of evil, Lord”

The word “lord” is a weird case where you wouldn’t really use it in that way (more likely “my lord”). I always saw Darth as a title used more like “general” or “master” or “count,” where people refer to them by just their title all the time. I’m not a linguist so I apologize if I’m not explaining this sufficiently, though it should be easy to understand.

Probably worth mentioning that people refer to Kylo Ren as “Ren,” even though that is seemingly a title too.