Solo: A Star Wars Story — Official Review and Opinions Thread — SPOILERS — Page 8

suspiciouscoffee said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Oh, okay.

Don’t get why them being women is relevant at all though.

It’s relevant to the history of the trope, as it’s typically women dying to advance the man plot/character arc. Val died so Woody could… punch Han I guess? And L3 died so they could cannibalize her for parts.

And plenty of men die in the film to advance the plot and character arcs as well?

Hell, Dryden - the main villain - (a man) dies to advance the character arc of Qi’ra (a woman).
You’re also forgetting that Rio died in the very same scene as Val. Rio is a man.
What are you even on about?

It’s not a gender issue at all, there’s no need to make it one.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Oh, okay.

Don’t get why them being women is relevant at all though.

It’s relevant to the history of the trope, as it’s typically women dying to advance the man plot/character arc. Val died so Woody could… punch Han I guess? And L3 died so they could cannibalize her for parts.

I think you’ve missed the point of both deaths by a wide mark, but I’ll let someone else explain. It’s too tiring.

suspiciouscoffee said:

It just seemed to be a step back after the steps forward from the previous movies. I don’t mean to say that the writers are actively sexist or anything, I just thought it was… well idk what word I’m looking for.

while I don’t agree it’s a step back at all, I understand why it could seem that way to some given that TFA and RO both featured the first ever female lead characters for SW.

Ryan-SWI said:

Rio is a man.

He’s a male, but not a man.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ardennian

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Rio is a man.

He’s a male, but not a man.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ardennian

Look I feel we’re getting too far into semantics with that one 😉

It’s just as important to have disposable female characters who only exist to advance the plot as it is to have important female characters who drive the story. Just like male characters.

Equality means equality, not just making all the females the best characters ever and all the males disposable simpletons.

Solo was a great example of gender, race, etc., not even being an issue in regards to the story. The most important thing is that the character is good or important; if that character happens to be female, whatever, it doesn’t matter. Just make the character good.

Honestly the fact that this is even a discussion in the Star Wars fanbase astonishes me.
Leia is one of the most recognisable characters in cinema history, as is Lando; both of which are amazing characters who serve an important purpose.
Go further forward and you have Padme, literal Queen of an entire planet and an extremely strong politician who’s integral to the story arc of an entire trilogy.
Or, y’know, Mace Windu - Second only to f*ing Yoda.

Race and gender have never been an issue in Star Wars, ever. Why we’re suddenly pretending it is is silly.

Maybe a case can be made for A New Hope, but that’s one movie made in 1977 out of a 40 year history.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

It seems like people who disliked the movie attended screenings where nobody liked it, and people who did like it attended screenings where people also enjoyed it. This goes for all four of the new films, it’s always the case.

I like to think I’m pretty honest. There were a lot of jokes my theater didn’t laugh at, and a lot of times we weren’t on the same page. (I was the only one to laugh at Han “clicking” the thermal detonator.)

But the one thing that consistently got laughs was L3.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Oh, okay.

Don’t get why them being women is relevant at all though.

It’s relevant to the history of the trope, as it’s typically women dying to advance the man plot/character arc. Val died so Woody could… punch Han I guess? And L3 died so they could cannibalize her for parts.

I don’t think “fridge” really works as a word to describe when they kill a female character, it’s a bit more specific than that. There’s an argument to be made for L3, but not Val (who is killed for almost no reason at all, so actually it’s worse).

There’s also the fact that they kinda pulled a mini Rogue One and killed almost all the new characters (save for Enfys and Qi’Ra), so again, I’m not sure if the word “fridge” works. But the spirit of your argument, that they did wrong by the female characters, is definitely spot on.

Hardcore Legend said:

I think I was the only person who laughed outloud at Lando’s “Mining colonies are the worst” line. Even my brother thought I was nuts.

Yeah, that line really tickled me!

Hardcore Legend said:

I think I was the only person who laughed outloud at Lando’s “Mining colonies are the worst” line. Even my brother thought I was nuts.

My theater loved that one. Actually I almost missed the humor of that but the reaction keyed me into the joke.

Oddly enough there also seemed to be a lot of hardcore EU fans at my screening, some of the references got a couple gasps.

Saw Solo in a almost empty theatre at 20h30, which doesn’t bode well for the box office. I liked it for the most part, although in the larger scheme of things it’s pretty inconsequential, which in it’s own way is sort of a sad state for a Star Wars film to be.

DrDre said:

Saw Solo in a almost empty theatre at 20h30, which doesn’t bode well for the box office. I liked it for the most part, although in the larger scheme of things it’s pretty inconsequential, which in it’s own way is sort of a sad state for a Star Wars film to be.

I don’t think it’s intended to be consequential though? There was never a side-story aspect to a SW film before RO, and even that one has big stakes that lead right into ANH.

Ryan-SWI said:

Leia is one of the most recognisable characters in cinema history, as is Lando; both of which are amazing characters who serve an important purpose.

Leia is nearly the only female presence in the entire OT and is also third banana to Luke and Han.

Go further forward and you have Padme, literal Queen of an entire planet and an extremely strong politician who’s integral to the story arc of an entire trilogy.

Except in ROTS, where her character arc is have two babies and then give up on them.

Race and gender have never been an issue in Star Wars, ever. Why we’re suddenly pretending it is is silly.

TPM has multiple race issues.

You’re welcome to respond to this (TM Ric Olie) but just be aware I’m not saying another thing on any of these (especially the last one) because it’s the wrong thread and it’s been beaten to death elsewhere.

As for the humor in Solo I loved most of it. The only one I can think of off the top of my head that I did not like was during the beginning speeder chase, with the robot at the guard house that got run over. That bit (including his one-liner) was very reminiscent of the prequels for me.

TV’s Frink said:

DrDre said:

Saw Solo in a almost empty theatre at 20h30, which doesn’t bode well for the box office. I liked it for the most part, although in the larger scheme of things it’s pretty inconsequential, which in it’s own way is sort of a sad state for a Star Wars film to be.

I don’t think it’s intended to be consequential though? There was never a side-story aspect to a SW film before RO, and even that one has big stakes that lead right into ANH.

I know, and I guess it doesn’t have to be. However, this is the first Star Wars film that feels like “just a movie” and not an event. It appears it’s possibly going to be remembered most for bombing at the box office, deflating the value of the Star Wars property.

DrDre said:

TV’s Frink said:

DrDre said:

Saw Solo in a almost empty theatre at 20h30, which doesn’t bode well for the box office. I liked it for the most part, although in the larger scheme of things it’s pretty inconsequential, which in it’s own way is sort of a sad state for a Star Wars film to be.

I don’t think it’s intended to be consequential though? There was never a side-story aspect to a SW film before RO, and even that one has big stakes that lead right into ANH.

I know, and I guess it doesn’t have to be. However, this is the first Star Wars film that feels like “just a movie” and not an event. It appears it’s possibly going to be remembered most for bombing at the box office, deflating the value of the Star Wars property.

Disagree. It’s expanding the potential for SW to have movies that don’t have to be “events,” and therefore allow for more SW movies in general. Rogue One was technically the first spin off, but it was still billed as an event. Solo is the first true tertiary SW film, as was the intent.

Whether that’s a good direction for the franchise to take is a different question.