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From the RyanG. thread:

"RyanG. said:

https://vimeo.com/265892212

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here is my scene where I have created Luke saving Leia. thoughts?"

I think the music is a little over the top but the idea is a good call back to Empire. Thought it could be something you could consider Hal.

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I don’t care for that, it seems kind of like a worst of both worlds to me. You still get the same (frequently criticized) “superman” pose and flying motion as in the theatrical cut but you also rob Leia of her one moment to tap into the force and save herself in an act of desperation. Luke saving her is (imo) much less powerful.

I’m one of the people who didn’t really have a problem with the “flying Leia” scene to begin with, but if there was a way to cut the scene that keeps the intent the same but tones down the “silly” visuals, I’d be game for it.

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I remember seeing a clip of the ‘Luke has a Moment’ scene being reintegrated into the film without cutting to Leia afterward. I can’t seem to find this clip, though I remember it being executed very well.
Anyone know whose clip I am remembering?

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Well, at any rate, I think I got it more or less how I remember it being done by whomever it was.
The only thing is the music. I left in a terrible audio shift in this clip, and it is NOT finished. I need an idea for a piece of music to use for the ‘Luke has a Moment’ snippet, which I won’t be able to tackle tonight.

https://vimeo.com/270009825
password: fanedit

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Worst case I just don’t put the scene back in; it was designed to be juxtaposed with Leia and the island sequence in the theatrical was designed with that scene having been removed.
Just saying if it doesn’t work out, no big deal.

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You could always try and find other places to put the scene. You could even place it after Rey leaves with the Falcon and Luke feels like he has hit an all time low. I think it would be a great placement as well since it really gives you a sense of desperation before we enter the end of the Second Act.

And it would require color grading the deleted scene to being at night, but I think it is doable as shown by the collaborative work on your PT edits.

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The Luke scene is very important. Rian’s excuses for cutting it make no sense.

I missed why you’re opposed to cutting to Leia as was intended?

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DZ-330 said:

From the RyanG. thread:

"RyanG. said:

https://vimeo.com/265892212

password: JEDIT

here is my scene where I have created Luke saving Leia. thoughts?"

I think the music is a little over the top but the idea is a good call back to Empire. Thought it could be something you could consider Hal.

That was beautiful done, loved it!

Great job 😃

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darthrush said:

You could always try and find other places to put the scene. You could even place it after Rey leaves with the Falcon and Luke feels like he has hit an all time low. I think it would be a great placement as well since it really gives you a sense of desperation before we enter the end of the Second Act.

I would not want to place that scene anywhere else in the film.

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The Luke scene is very important. Rian’s excuses for cutting it make no sense.

I missed why you’re opposed to cutting to Leia as was intended?

Cutting to Leia would dictate that I would need to cut back to Luke and Rey before the fleet is attacked. Without committing to re-adding 2 or 3 deleted scenes that all rely on each other, that would make for a very quick, abrupt transition back to the island.

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New ideas are looking good so far.

ChainsawAsh said:

  • Maybe cut the Poe foot gag in the Crait assault sequence? Felt very prequel-y to me.

Nah ! It’s quite funny… unlike most of PT humor 😃

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Hal 9000 said:

Tobar said:

The Luke scene is very important. Rian’s excuses for cutting it make no sense.

I missed why you’re opposed to cutting to Leia as was intended?

Cutting to Leia would dictate that I would need to cut back to Luke and Rey before the fleet is attacked. Without committing to re-adding 2 or 3 deleted scenes that all rely on each other, that would make for a very quick, abrupt transition back to the island.

This is part of the reason I advocate for a restructuring to include most of the deleted first act Finn stuff - it makes it easier to keep the Luke scene, and helps balance the film with so little Canto Bight and, by extension, so little Finn.

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This is part of the reason I advocate for a restructuring to include most of the deleted first act Finn stuff - it makes it easier to keep the Luke scene, and helps balance the film with so little Canto Bight and, by extension, so little Finn.

I’m an advocate of this idea as well! It’s actually been on my mind for quite some time. With the axing of Canto Bight, we need as much Finn as possible!

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He’s still a big player in the movie, with a throughline of committing to a cause and giving himself to it, being tested by DJ and Phasma along the way.
Someone could certainly take this edit and plug some more deleted scenes into it, though this one will probably only end up featuring less than a minute’s worth altogether. I think, if they were going to cut the Finn scenes with the fleet, it makes sense to order the final cut as they have. So, I’m going to preliminarily conclude that the ‘Luke has a moment’ scene really stands or falls based on whether to include those other scenes. Which I would rather not do. Or perhaps I could render an alternate cut with them. We’ll see, I guess.

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Fair enough.

As it currently stands, having Luke go inside for a little cry only to leave his hut moments later feels a little weird, but I’ve only watched the clip once. It really does seem like a cut to the Resistance should happen after Luke’s moment, but from what I understand that would also be awkard, hey? Maybe I just can’t get that cut to Leia out of my head that I just love so much!

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Well, we’ll see. I’ve got an idea of how it could go, so whenever I can I will try to implement it. If it’s seamless, I could include just the scene between Finn and Poe and the snippet after Finn and Rose escape the destroyer.

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Okay, Plan A at this point is to go ahead and restructure those few scenes. We’ll get Luke’s moment, then cut to Leia, the whole bit.
The problem is that the “where you belong” scene sets up the snippet as Finn and Rose escape the destroyer. As you can see below, what it seems like I would have to do to get that to work is pretty rough, audio-wise. What do you guys think about keeping the Finn and Poe deleted scene and NOT using the Finn and Rose snippet?

https://vimeo.com/270257073
password: fanedit

Also, does anyone know what the right name is for the wipe transition effect as we go from Rey saying, “I’m not leaving without you” to the ‘day in the life of Lonely Luke’ sequence? It’s similar to a clock wipe, but from both directions at once. I don’t believe my NLE can replicate this effect. Right now I have a horizontal center wipe as we go from Poe back to the island. I’d prefer to use the same wipe as in the theatrical, but it’s not a big deal.

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Not 100% sold on it. What if the first reinserted shot started a little sooner, with Finn already messing with the controls. I suggest that because for some reason I feel what’s throwing me off slightly is Finn and Rose just staring straight forward for a beat. Though I think you could keep the Finn/Poe scene without keeping this one even though it sets up this moment. Poe saying that doesn’t necessarily require a payoff. I think you could make this moment work though.

Unrelated to your efforts, but what exactly is the moment Finn decides to be “a rebel”? When he is fighting Phasma? Is it DJ’s betrayal that makes him decide to fight for the Resistance?

Is there way to have to transition effects overlap, so you could have a clockwise wipe and counterclockwise wipe occur simultaneously? If not that, I wonder if you could create a custom wipe by making a mask and using keyframes to create the transition. Maybe create a circle mask and add three points to create the “opening/closing pie” effect?

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Hal 9000 said:

Okay, Plan A at this point is to go ahead and restructure those few scenes. We’ll get Luke’s moment, then cut to Leia, the whole bit.
The problem is that the “where you belong” scene sets up the snippet as Finn and Rose escape the destroyer. As you can see below, what it seems like I would have to do to get that to work is pretty rough, audio-wise. What do you guys think about keeping the Finn and Poe deleted scene and NOT using the Finn and Rose snippet?

https://vimeo.com/270257073
password: fanedit

Also, does anyone know what the right name is for the wipe transition effect as we go from Rey saying, “I’m not leaving without you” to the ‘day in the life of Lonely Luke’ sequence? It’s similar to a clock wipe, but from both directions at once. I don’t believe my NLE can replicate this effect. Right now I have a horizontal center wipe as we go from Poe back to the island. I’d prefer to use the same wipe as in the theatrical, but it’s not a big deal.

In Premiere I believe it’s called a radial wipe and it gives you the option to go in both directions at once.

I like how the Poe and Finn scene sets up the “where we belong” quote later, but anyone who isn’t familiar with the deleted scenes wouldn’t miss it I don’t think.

EDIT: Actually, I implemented the Rose and Finn shuttle scene into my edit, but I used the temp-tracks for the surrounding shots as they are presented in the actual deleted scene supplement and the audio transition is less jarring.

https://vimeo.com/263090647
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Hope this helps.

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Yeah… I am very doubtful that I’ll be able to pull off reinstating that snippet scene to my liking. It’s all right, though. The three of them bounding off in their AT-ST serves as a scene bumper fine as it is.

If you have Premiere yourself, pleasehello, would you terribly mind creating a radial wipe for me from Poe to the island? The precise timing is not important, since the audio on both sides is pretty easy. Just try to conserve as many frames as possible while doing a reasonable match for the original in terms of timing.

It really is the little things. If you can’t or would prefer not to, I understand. But I can’t seem to stack clock wipes in a way that will yield the correct result.

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Also, I snuck in a Wilhelm scream. It’ll be up to you to find it, once this thing is released. I didn’t try to add someone saying, “I have a bad feeling about this,” because BB8 says the line (I guess) and because I doubt there’d be a way to do it that isn’t jarring.
So, if you can accept BB8’s delivery of the line, this edit will also keep the Wilhelm tradition going.

If we could address the radial wipe, I am very pleased with the current state of affairs regarding this edit and might render out a second workprint. Not that I’d recommend watching the whole thing again yet, mind you, for those who watched the first one.

Things that remain -

I still need to find a way to apply DrDre’s LUT to my footage.

There are pros and cons to using the package deal of ‘Luke has a Moment’ and ‘Finn and Poe’

Would be nice to rescore that scene, but the music fits it much better than the tree scene and the tree scene would be very difficult to rescore (might be okay as is)

Radial wipe from Poe back to the island (would be nice)

Sir Ridley’s upcoming augmented Yoda puppetry (might just be better to leave it as is)

Still wish there was a way to remove Poe’s “big ass door”

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Hal 9000 said:

Yeah… I am very doubtful that I’ll be able to pull off reinstating that snippet scene to my liking. It’s all right, though. The three of them bounding off in their AT-ST serves as a scene bumper fine as it is.

If you have Premiere yourself, pleasehello, would you terribly mind creating a radial wipe for me from Poe to the island? The precise timing is not important, since the audio on both sides is pretty easy. Just try to conserve as many frames as possible while doing a reasonable match for the original in terms of timing.

It really is the little things. If you can’t or would prefer not to, I understand. But I can’t seem to stack clock wipes in a way that will yield the correct result.

I might already have this one in the can. I did something similar for my edit.

Do you want to wipe from Poe back to the island after the “dead heroes, no leaders” conversation with Leia?