Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 730

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

There’s no way I’m racist because I avoid interacting with all people regardless of color, but I do support civil rights. So I’m the best of both worlds.

Sincere question: What do you do to support civil rights?

I vote for candidates that I deem progressive. Other than that, nothing. That’s pretty much all I can do since I never leave my house.

Oh, I also donate monthly to the ACLU. I’m a card-carrying member.

When we talk about progressive, what’s the end game? I mean what are we progressing towards exactly and when will we know we’ve gotten there?

And once we get there? Will the progressive become the conservative in order to keep it there?

Trident said:

When we talk about progressive, what’s the end game? I mean what are we progressing towards exactly and when will we know we’ve gotten there?

We’re progressing towards a more harmonious, peaceful, safe, accepting, fair, and accommodating society. I vote for whoever I deem to be most prone to furthering that.

And once we get there? Will the progressive become the conservative in order to keep it there?

Not any time soon and definitely not in our lifetime.

The progressive Fabian Society at the turn of the 20th century wanted public schools, women’s suffrage, and an 8 hour workday. These were all extremely radical positions.

Progressives today mostly want a return to the levels of taxation in the late 20th century that led to the creation of the vast American middle class, and an expansion of the popular Medicare program which began decades ago to cover everyone.

Progressives are actually quite conservative in that regard.

We also really want prison reform and a massive reform of our law enforcement system.

Progressive is in many ways just the new label for what used to be called liberal before, say, the Clinton administration. The liberal label over time evolved (at least in some circles) to apply only to the more suburban white well-to-do part of the Democratic base – not particularly union-friendly, not particularly concerned about the social safety net, interested in looking environmentally-conscious without having to change their lifestyle, and so sad about racial injustice that they hope very fervently that somebody else will finally do something about it before they have to sit through another depressing movie about it.

Progressive identity arose the way lots of identities do – simply as a means of saying “I’m not one of them!”

TV’s Frink said:

Half the time I can’t tell what Mrebo is trying to say, and his follow up posts only make it more confusing.

And I think he does it on purpose.

I don’t. I sometimes think you read things in a very black-and-white way. Or maybe you’re just looking for the bottom line conclusion.

The problem with the exchange with Dom is that he responded in a sarcastic way that misrepresented what was being said, so I responded in kind.

To respond to his more recent question, there is a great amount of space between supporting certain civil rights laws and supporting any and every law seeking to address civil rights issues. There are innumerable reasons why certain laws may be supported and others opposed. The idea that it is black-and-white/with-us-or-against-us is wrong.

CatBus said:

Progressive is in many ways just the new label for what used to be called liberal before, say, the Clinton administration. The liberal label over time evolved (at least in some circles) to apply only to the more suburban white well-to-do part of the Democratic base – not particularly union-friendly, not particularly concerned about the social safety net, interested in looking environmentally-conscious without having to change their lifestyle, and so sad about racial injustice that they hope very fervently that somebody else will finally do something about it before they have to sit through another depressing movie about it.

Progressive identity arose the way lots of identities do – simply as a means of saying “I’m not one of them!”

Yeah, I think of progressivism in a Lyndon Johnson “Great Society” way. We haven’t had a truly liberal president since Carter.

moviefreakedmind said:

CatBus said:

Progressive is in many ways just the new label for what used to be called liberal before, say, the Clinton administration. The liberal label over time evolved (at least in some circles) to apply only to the more suburban white well-to-do part of the Democratic base – not particularly union-friendly, not particularly concerned about the social safety net, interested in looking environmentally-conscious without having to change their lifestyle, and so sad about racial injustice that they hope very fervently that somebody else will finally do something about it before they have to sit through another depressing movie about it.

Progressive identity arose the way lots of identities do – simply as a means of saying “I’m not one of them!”

Yeah, I think of progressivism in a Lyndon Johnson “Great Society” way. We haven’t had a truly liberal president since Carter.

IMO we haven’t had a truly liberal President since Nixon, but different strokes.

CatBus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

CatBus said:

Progressive is in many ways just the new label for what used to be called liberal before, say, the Clinton administration. The liberal label over time evolved (at least in some circles) to apply only to the more suburban white well-to-do part of the Democratic base – not particularly union-friendly, not particularly concerned about the social safety net, interested in looking environmentally-conscious without having to change their lifestyle, and so sad about racial injustice that they hope very fervently that somebody else will finally do something about it before they have to sit through another depressing movie about it.

Progressive identity arose the way lots of identities do – simply as a means of saying “I’m not one of them!”

Yeah, I think of progressivism in a Lyndon Johnson “Great Society” way. We haven’t had a truly liberal president since Carter.

IMO we haven’t had a truly liberal President since Nixon, but different strokes.

You must be really old! And everyone knows Nixon was terrible!

Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

CatBus said:

Progressive is in many ways just the new label for what used to be called liberal before, say, the Clinton administration. The liberal label over time evolved (at least in some circles) to apply only to the more suburban white well-to-do part of the Democratic base – not particularly union-friendly, not particularly concerned about the social safety net, interested in looking environmentally-conscious without having to change their lifestyle, and so sad about racial injustice that they hope very fervently that somebody else will finally do something about it before they have to sit through another depressing movie about it.

Progressive identity arose the way lots of identities do – simply as a means of saying “I’m not one of them!”

Yeah, I think of progressivism in a Lyndon Johnson “Great Society” way. We haven’t had a truly liberal president since Carter.

IMO we haven’t had a truly liberal President since Nixon, but different strokes.

You must be really old! And everyone knows Nixon was terrible!

Nixon and Ford were quite liberal.

Presented without conspiracy theory, because a surprising number of men are simply shitty to women:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/four-women-accuse-new-yorks-attorney-general-of-physical-abuse/amp?__twitter_impression=true

I don’t see how it’s surprising.

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t see how it’s surprising.

s/surprising/alarming/

Another self-righteous NY AG.

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

Another self-righteous NY AG.

Kinda like the self-righteous Evangelicals who rail against homosexuality and turn out to be homosexual.

O hai younger self.

I thinking more like Ted Haggard.