Religion — Page 96

DuracellEnergizer said:

Mosttimes I think this thread sucks.

FTFM

chyron8472 said:

ZigZig said:

Trident said:

ZigZig said:

chyron8472 said:

To some degree, I can not answer some of those follow-up questions in a meaningful way, because
(…)
2) certain answers that readily come to me assume certain truths that people call into question. And I can not convince people of those truths.
(…)

True. Though, some people do present themselves as though their opinion is the correct one.
…and that probably also includes me.

When you use words like “truths” to describe your beliefs, is it difficult not to think that you present your opinion as the correct one.

It’d be a pretty odd belief if that wasn’t the case tho. I mean believing things are true is sort of why we believe in them 😉

Saying “I believe it is true” is not the same as “I know it is true, I’m 100% sure of that, it is a fact and there are evidences”.

But there are evidences. They just aren’t reproducible in a controlled environment. The fact that you dispute the credibility of those evidences doesn’t make them not evidences.

Having a feeling about something isn’t evidence.

Here’s the thing about evidence. It’s a tricky set up once we get the debate swung only that way.

Because for believers? We have a sort of evidence that doesn’t really make an unbeliever jump over our fence most of the time.

The evidence is something real enough to us? But sort of aimed in a way that it doesn’t give us a universal solve to the whole problem. I mean it sort of fits in well with the idea that God doesn’t want a clear path to his door. He sort of gives out clues instead of roadmaps so that those who want to find him do? And those who don’t simply don’t end up blocking the path.

For example my evidence is really a tight package in with what helped me get past my addictions. But it isn’t likely to change anyone else’s mind. And that’s ok though. I mean I don’t need people to believe in God just because I had a personal vision right at the time when I expected it the least. Right at a time when I deserved it the least.

So I don’t really know what to tell you about subjective evidence.

I guess it’s sort of like willful bias. If a guy looks for proof of God he’ll find it. But honestly if he looks for proof that God doesn’t exist he’ll find that too. It’s the only way God can stay a chosen option instead of a forced one.

Or something

DuracellEnergizer said:
Sometimes I think it sucks when people are absolutely certain of what is almost certainly unknowable, if it exists at all. And it also sucks when people are absolutely certain it doesn’t exist.

This is the only truth I have seen in this thread Chryon.

P.S. The second truth is my terrible ability to format posts on OT.com

I don’t know why so many of y’all care so much about chyron’s certainty.

I think it started when he butted into a conversation about 10 pages ago by saying that someone can’t do something because God is real.

Trident said:
Or something.

EDIT: Yeah okay I looked back. 8 pages ago mfm told me not to worry so much about the existence of God and of my eternal fate, to which Chryon said “that would be helpful if there was no God, but there is.” To which, naturally, people wondered how he was so sure, and we have spent eight pages about mysterious evidence that may or may not exist.

Yeah, that’s right. My advice still stands by the way. Even if the Christian god exists, you’re better off without him.

And it’s the religion thread. I’ve noticed that Mrebo seems to think that any objectionable statement just needs to be ignored and if you push it then obviously you’re obsessed or just care too much.

moviefreakedmind said:

And it’s the religion thread. I’ve noticed that Mrebo seems to think that any objectionable statement just needs to be ignored and if you push it then obviously you’re obsessed or just care too much.

That’s incorrect but thank you for playing.

You say that stuff all the time so forgive me for not understanding your stance.

moviefreakedmind said:

You say that stuff all the time so forgive me for not understanding your stance.

You must be thinking of somebody else.

In challenging chyron’s unabashed certainty what are you looking for? To understand his reasons? Granted, chyron has conceded he doesn’t feel competent to defend his reasons and has thus disclaimed any desire to do so. Make of that what you will, but how many pages should be spent on deriding his certainty?

Then there is a post like Zig with his spaghetti monster sarcasm.

I can only guess that the intent is compel him to admit a level of doubt you think a reasonable person should hold. It’s rather like going after a guy to compel him to admit that maybe, just maybe, his wife doesn’t love him and is going to leave him. Even if he has all kinds of “evidence” to the contrary and utter conviction, those on the outside can suspect it is nonetheless plausible.

Yes, but Chyron did give his reasons for not giving his reasons. I wish he felt differently about it, but it’s not like he’s being completely opaque and uncommunicative. He says he’s not comfortable talking about his reasons and I believe him.