DominicCobb said:
Dek Rollins said:
DominicCobb said:
Dek Rollins said:
DominicCobb said:
“I believe that Buckaroo Banzai Against the World Crime League is a movie that exists because its predecessor was designed to have a sequel.”
This joke has nothing to do with this conversation. I never said that Star Wars Episode XI is a movie that exists just because Lucas wanted a fluctuating number of sequels for Star Wars.
This joke has nothing to do with Episode IX. I’m simply saying whether or not a sequel exists has nothing to do with what the filmmakers had in mind. Not a hard concept to grasp.
I have never stated that Indy 4 doesn’t exist. Your grasping at nothing.
Semantics. You’re acting like it was designed as this perfect trilogy capper. I don’t deny that they thought it’d be the end at the time, but that doesn’t make it the “culmination” of the previous movies or a definitive end for the character.
It was a perfect capper to the series. The inclusion of Indy’s reunion with his father and the character interaction and development that happens because of that, as well as just the whole ending of the film, really is the culmination of the character, and the emotional connection the audience has to him. It’s probably a stretch to say this, as I honestly don’t have any idea if it was intentional (it probably wasn’t), but even Indy giving up the Grail, which is eternal life, speaks to it being the end of the character.
DominicCobb said:
CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:
You guys are completely overlooking Dek’s argument. He’s not saying simply that it the Last Crusade wasn’t meant to have a sequel, but that the film was explicitly designed to preclude the plausibility of a sequel. While you can say the former about Star Wars, you cannot say the latter. Very different arguments.
That’s a much worse argument to make. There’s nothing in TLC that precludes a sequel.
Oh, I don’t know, maybe the final shot that lasts through a good portion of the credits that is extremely symbolic of the fact that this was Indy’s last adventure.
That’s a pretty fucking silly notion to have. If Temple of Doom was otherwise exactly the same but ended with Indy riding into the sunset, and then TLC came out five years later (also exactly the same), would you consider TLC extraneous because TOD already gave the character a “clear ending”?
The only reason the sunset shot happened specifically because it was the end of the series. They didn’t do something like that in Temple of Doom because it wasn’t the last film. If that had been done in Temple of Doom, it wouldn’t have had the same effect because that film doesn’t reach the same emotional culmination of the character, but yeah it would probably feel weird if another film came out out after an ending like that. That said, that scenario would be totally different and therefore I can’t say with certainty how it would feel like.