You guys are completely overlooking Dek’s argument. He’s not saying simply that it the Last Crusade wasn’t meant to have a sequel, but that the film was explicitly designed to preclude the plausibility of a sequel. While you can say the former about Star Wars, you cannot say the latter. Very different arguments.
That’s a much worse argument to make. There’s nothing in TLC that precludes a sequel.
Look up one post. :p
JEDIT: Dammit Dom!
“Sean Connery was only ever in five Bond movies because You Only Live Twice was designed to be his last one.”
“Star Wars is only
threesix movies becauseReturn of the JediRevenge of the Sith was designed to be the last one.”False equivalence. What in YOLT gets in the way of the possibility of another Connery movie? I don’t recall any Connery going off into the sunset moment. Indeed, the character remains alive and well.
You ignored my Rocky example.
The Person in Question
“Sean Connery was only ever in five Bond movies because You Only Live Twice was designed to be his last one.”
“Star Wars is only
threesix movies becauseReturn of the JediRevenge of the Sith was designed to be the last one.”False equivalence. What in YOLT gets in the way of the possibility of another Connery movie? I don’t recall any Connery going off into the sunset moment. Indeed, the character remains alive and well.
Sorry, I forgot Indy died at the end of Crusade.
“I believe that Buckaroo Banzai Against the World Crime League is a movie that exists because its predecessor was designed to have a sequel.”
This joke has nothing to do with this conversation. I never said that Star Wars Episode XI is a movie that exists just because Lucas wanted a fluctuating number of sequels for Star Wars.
This joke has nothing to do with Episode IX. I’m simply saying whether or not a sequel exists has nothing to do with what the filmmakers had in mind. Not a hard concept to grasp.
I have never stated that Indy 4 doesn’t exist. Your grasping at nothing.
You guys are completely overlooking Dek’s argument. He’s not saying simply that it the Last Crusade wasn’t meant to have a sequel, but that the film was explicitly designed to preclude the plausibility of a sequel. While you can say the former about Star Wars, you cannot say the latter. Very different arguments.
This.
You guys are completely overlooking Dek’s argument. He’s not saying simply that it the Last Crusade wasn’t meant to have a sequel, but that the film was explicitly designed to preclude the plausibility of a sequel. While you can say the former about Star Wars, you cannot say the latter. Very different arguments.
That’s a much worse argument to make. There’s nothing in TLC that precludes a sequel.
Oh, I don’t know, maybe the final shot that lasts through a good portion of the credits that is extremely symbolic of the fact that this was Indy’s last adventure.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
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THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
“Sean Connery was only ever in five Bond movies because You Only Live Twice was designed to be his last one.”
“Star Wars is only
threesix movies becauseReturn of the JediRevenge of the Sith was designed to be the last one.”False equivalence. What in YOLT gets in the way of the possibility of another Connery movie? I don’t recall any Connery going off into the sunset moment. Indeed, the character remains alive and well.
You ignored my Rocky example.
I dislike all the Rocky sequels.
Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
You guys are completely overlooking Dek’s argument. He’s not saying simply that it the Last Crusade wasn’t meant to have a sequel, but that the film was explicitly designed to preclude the plausibility of a sequel. While you can say the former about Star Wars, you cannot say the latter. Very different arguments.
Actually, you can definitely say that about Return of the Jedi.
EDIT: Frink beat me to it.
And I think it works perfectly well for ROTJ. I don’t care for the existence of any Star Wars films after that.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
Oh, I don’t know, maybe the final shot that lasts through a good portion of the credits that is extremely symbolic of the fact that this was Indy’s last adventure.
Lol.
I don’t care for the existence of any Star Wars films after that.
Shocking. But it doesn’t mean they’re meaningless.
You guys are completely overlooking Dek’s argument. He’s not saying simply that it the Last Crusade wasn’t meant to have a sequel, but that the film was explicitly designed to preclude the plausibility of a sequel. While you can say the former about Star Wars, you cannot say the latter. Very different arguments.
Actually, you can definitely say that about Return of the Jedi.
EDIT: Frink beat me to it.
Did I say you couldn’t? (by Star Wars I mean SW77)
I don’t necessarily agree with Dek that this means there can’t ever be another IJ movie, but at least argue with him on the correct terms.
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
What about books? Those are artistically designed to be books, but are adapted to film regardless. Are all movie adaptations to be ignored on principle?
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“I believe that Buckaroo Banzai Against the World Crime League is a movie that exists because its predecessor was designed to have a sequel.”
This joke has nothing to do with this conversation. I never said that Star Wars Episode XI is a movie that exists just because Lucas wanted a fluctuating number of sequels for Star Wars.
This joke has nothing to do with Episode IX. I’m simply saying whether or not a sequel exists has nothing to do with what the filmmakers had in mind. Not a hard concept to grasp.
I have never stated that Indy 4 doesn’t exist. Your grasping at nothing.
Semantics. You’re acting like it was designed as this perfect trilogy capper. I don’t deny that they thought it’d be the end at the time, but that doesn’t make it the “culmination” of the previous movies or a definitive end for the character.
You guys are completely overlooking Dek’s argument. He’s not saying simply that it the Last Crusade wasn’t meant to have a sequel, but that the film was explicitly designed to preclude the plausibility of a sequel. While you can say the former about Star Wars, you cannot say the latter. Very different arguments.
That’s a much worse argument to make. There’s nothing in TLC that precludes a sequel.
Oh, I don’t know, maybe the final shot that lasts through a good portion of the credits that is extremely symbolic of the fact that this was Indy’s last adventure.
That’s a pretty fucking silly notion to have. If Temple of Doom was otherwise exactly the same but ended with Indy riding into the sunset, and then TLC came out five years later (also exactly the same), would you consider TLC extraneous because TOD already gave the character a “clear ending”?
You guys are completely overlooking Dek’s argument. He’s not saying simply that it the Last Crusade wasn’t meant to have a sequel, but that the film was explicitly designed to preclude the plausibility of a sequel. While you can say the former about Star Wars, you cannot say the latter. Very different arguments.
Actually, you can definitely say that about Return of the Jedi.
EDIT: Frink beat me to it.
Did I say you couldn’t? (by Star Wars I mean SW77)
I don’t necessarily agree with Dek that this means there can’t ever be another IJ movie, but at least argue with him on the correct terms.
Do you agree, if I may ask?
Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
What about books? Those are artistically designed to be books, but are adapted to film regardless. Are all movie adaptations to be ignored on principle?
This is not the same thing. Adapting basic stories to different mediums is a subject that has nothing to do with this conversation.
Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
You guys are completely overlooking Dek’s argument. He’s not saying simply that it the Last Crusade wasn’t meant to have a sequel, but that the film was explicitly designed to preclude the plausibility of a sequel. While you can say the former about Star Wars, you cannot say the latter. Very different arguments.
Actually, you can definitely say that about Return of the Jedi.
EDIT: Frink beat me to it.
Did I say you couldn’t? (by Star Wars I mean SW77)
I don’t necessarily agree with Dek that this means there can’t ever be another IJ movie, but at least argue with him on the correct terms.
Do you agree, if I may ask?
No. I agree Skull sucked. But I’d be happy to watch a good Indi movie. I was skeptical of the idea of SW sequels b/c I felt the same way about ROTJ as you do about TLC, but the sequels have been so good I don’t care.
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
“I believe that Buckaroo Banzai Against the World Crime League is a movie that exists because its predecessor was designed to have a sequel.”
This joke has nothing to do with this conversation. I never said that Star Wars Episode XI is a movie that exists just because Lucas wanted a fluctuating number of sequels for Star Wars.
This joke has nothing to do with Episode IX. I’m simply saying whether or not a sequel exists has nothing to do with what the filmmakers had in mind. Not a hard concept to grasp.
I have never stated that Indy 4 doesn’t exist. Your grasping at nothing.
Semantics. You’re acting like it was designed as this perfect trilogy capper. I don’t deny that they thought it’d be the end at the time, but that doesn’t make it the “culmination” of the previous movies or a definitive end for the character.
It was a perfect capper to the series. The inclusion of Indy’s reunion with his father and the character interaction and development that happens because of that, as well as just the whole ending of the film, really is the culmination of the character, and the emotional connection the audience has to him. It’s probably a stretch to say this, as I honestly don’t have any idea if it was intentional (it probably wasn’t), but even Indy giving up the Grail, which is eternal life, speaks to it being the end of the character.
You guys are completely overlooking Dek’s argument. He’s not saying simply that it the Last Crusade wasn’t meant to have a sequel, but that the film was explicitly designed to preclude the plausibility of a sequel. While you can say the former about Star Wars, you cannot say the latter. Very different arguments.
That’s a much worse argument to make. There’s nothing in TLC that precludes a sequel.
Oh, I don’t know, maybe the final shot that lasts through a good portion of the credits that is extremely symbolic of the fact that this was Indy’s last adventure.
That’s a pretty fucking silly notion to have. If Temple of Doom was otherwise exactly the same but ended with Indy riding into the sunset, and then TLC came out five years later (also exactly the same), would you consider TLC extraneous because TOD already gave the character a “clear ending”?
The only reason the sunset shot happened specifically because it was the end of the series. They didn’t do something like that in Temple of Doom because it wasn’t the last film. If that had been done in Temple of Doom, it wouldn’t have had the same effect because that film doesn’t reach the same emotional culmination of the character, but yeah it would probably feel weird if another film came out out after an ending like that. That said, that scenario would be totally different and therefore I can’t say with certainty how it would feel like.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
You guys are completely overlooking Dek’s argument. He’s not saying simply that it the Last Crusade wasn’t meant to have a sequel, but that the film was explicitly designed to preclude the plausibility of a sequel. While you can say the former about Star Wars, you cannot say the latter. Very different arguments.
Actually, you can definitely say that about Return of the Jedi.
EDIT: Frink beat me to it.
Did I say you couldn’t? (by Star Wars I mean SW77)
I don’t necessarily agree with Dek that this means there can’t ever be another IJ movie, but at least argue with him on the correct terms.
Do you agree, if I may ask?
No. I agree Skull sucked. But I’d be happy to watch a good Indi movie. I was skeptical of the idea of SW sequels b/c I felt the same way about ROTJ as you do about TLC, but the sequels have been so good I don’t care.
Fair enough. I haven’t liked the direction of the new Star Wars films so I have no reason to reconsider my opinion. 😛
Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
“Sean Connery was only ever in five Bond movies because You Only Live Twice was designed to be his last one.”
“Star Wars is only
threesix movies becauseReturn of the JediRevenge of the Sith was designed to be the last one.”False equivalence. What in YOLT gets in the way of the possibility of another Connery movie? I don’t recall any Connery going off into the sunset moment. Indeed, the character remains alive and well.
You ignored my Rocky example.
I dislike all the Rocky sequels.
I was referring to Chewbaka, but you’re about the Rocky sequels by the way.
The Person in Question
What about books? Those are artistically designed to be books, but are adapted to film regardless. Are all movie adaptations to be ignored on principle?
This is not the same thing. Adapting basic stories to different mediums is a subject that has nothing to do with this conversation.
How? And who says the story adapted is basic? That ignores the nuances and thematic depth a work might have, much like how a movie can ignore such depth or enhance it.
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I saw a movie yesterday. Who wants to hear what it was?
Somehow this discussion is more maddening than anything in the Religion thread.
I saw a movie yesterday. Who wants to hear what it was?
I only care if it was an unnecessary sequel.
What about books? Those are artistically designed to be books, but are adapted to film regardless. Are all movie adaptations to be ignored on principle?
This is not the same thing. Adapting basic stories to different mediums is a subject that has nothing to do with this conversation.
How?
Because we weren’t talking about adapting a work to an altered form. You’re trying to purposefully confuse the topic of discussion and I honestly don’t understand why. Maybe start a thread if you actually care about such a topic?
And who says the story adapted is basic? That ignores the nuances and thematic depth a work might have, much like how a movie can ignore such depth or enhance it.
At the most basic level an adaptation adapts the basic story or basic thematic elements. I didn’t mean that the stories being adapted are basic, just that at the minimum (and quite frequently), the basic elements are adapted, without inclusion of the original depth of storytelling, or replacing that depth with different elements that don’t reflect the original work.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
It’s one thing to say that “it’s a fitting end to the character,” and another thing to say “it’s a definitive end for the character and anything after is extraneous because their story is over.” One is completely fair, and the is just silly.
I understand not wanting to see a pointless sequel, I just don’t get how the original three Indiana Jones films tell some kind of story that was concluded and never needed to be revisited.
The Person in Question
I understand not wanting to see a pointless sequel, I just don’t get how the original three Indiana Jones films tell some kind of story that was concluded and never needed to be revisited.
It’s not that all three create some sort of big story. It’s that TLC ended in a way that leads the character to a grand sendoff. It was the emotional culmination of the series. So yeah, he never needed to be revisited again.
It’s like if after Star Trek VI, after all the signatures on the screen and everything, they just made another movie with the original cast, and not only that, but what if it was embarrassingly bad-- Oh… wait.
Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.