The Last Jedi: Legendary (Released) — Page 13

So yeah, it’s kind of just a matter of personal preference, Hal.

I took the cut from Finn asking “Where’s Rey?” to Rey handing the saber to Luke as being a cut back in time a few days at least. The chase is happening in real time and Rey’s attempt to bring Luke back catches up to the present. At least, she’d need more than one night for everything to occur.

…but maybe that depends on how fast hyperspace is and how far their jump to lightspeed took them. (Surely someone here knows the answer to that.) Because it seems like the chase story and battle would have taken around a day’s time.

JEDIT:

Zachary VIII said:
A lot of it has to do with the time period between TFA and TLJ. TFA ended in a cliffhanger, meaning that TLJ had to answer it immediately. If there was somehow a timeskip between the two, a lot of the plot holes you brought up wouldn’t exist.

I think some of you guys would enjoy reading The Secret History of Star Wars by Kaminski. He gives a pretty unbiased, investigative look at the creation of both the original and prequel trilogies. I couldn’t stop reading it once I started.

I think one could interpret Rey’s journey to Ach-To as taking longer than it is presented in the film. While it seems like minutes, it could have been anywhere from 24 hours to a few days, even. So instead of the time jump being between films, it could be seen as in between the last scene of TFA and the rest of TFA. This is one reason why I like Neverar’s idea of a “travel montage” for Rey’s journey to Luke.

This question of time is another reason why I think it would be worth attempting to remove any mention of how many hours of fuel the Resistance has left.

RogueLeader said:

I think some of you guys would enjoy reading The Secret History of Star Wars by Kaminski.

He was a poster here before he published the book if I remember correctly. Though I can’t recall his username or if he’s been around much since.

JEDIT: It was zombie84 - sadly seems like he hasn’t been around in a while.

A minor continuity error I noticed is when Poe is speaking with Holdo for the first time. She says “It’s commander right? Wasn’t it Leia’s last official act of command to demote you? For your Dreadnought plan?”, but that wasn’t Leia’s last official act of command. Right before the bridge explodes she orders The Raddus to stay out of range of the First Order’s barrage and to have maximum rear shields or something like that. I know it could be explained that Holdo just forgot, but the order that’s keeping everyone alive seems like a pretty massive point to forget.

ChainsawAsh said:

RogueLeader said:

I think some of you guys would enjoy reading The Secret History of Star Wars by Kaminski.

He was a poster here before he published the book if I remember correctly. Though I can’t recall his username or if he’s been around much since.

http://originaltrilogy.com/user/zombie84/id/2362 Hasn’t posted in a few years I don’t think.

Love that book, by the way.

TK-422 said:

A minor continuity error I noticed is when Poe is speaking with Holdo for the first time. She says “It’s commander right? Wasn’t it Leia’s last official act of command to demote you? For your Dreadnought plan?”, but that wasn’t Leia’s last official act of command. Right before the bridge explodes she orders The Raddus to stay out of range of the First Order’s barrage and to have maximum rear shields or something like that. I know it could be explained that Holdo just forgot, but the order that’s keeping everyone alive seems like a pretty massive point to forget.

That line was especially annoying. A good leader shouldn’t be passive aggressive.

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

RogueLeader said:

I think some of you guys would enjoy reading The Secret History of Star Wars by Kaminski.

He was a poster here before he published the book if I remember correctly. Though I can’t recall his username or if he’s been around much since.

http://originaltrilogy.com/user/zombie84/id/2362 Hasn’t posted in a few years I don’t think.

Love that book, by the way.

Yeah, I found him and edited my comment while you were writing yours, it seems 😉

Handman said:

TK-422 said:

A minor continuity error I noticed is when Poe is speaking with Holdo for the first time. She says “It’s commander right? Wasn’t it Leia’s last official act of command to demote you? For your Dreadnought plan?”, but that wasn’t Leia’s last official act of command. Right before the bridge explodes she orders The Raddus to stay out of range of the First Order’s barrage and to have maximum rear shields or something like that. I know it could be explained that Holdo just forgot, but the order that’s keeping everyone alive seems like a pretty massive point to forget.

That line was especially annoying. A good leader shouldn’t be passive aggressive.

It’s a great line. You’re supposed to be somewhat skeptical of Holdo at first. And Poe was trying to pull a fast one by introducing himself as commander.

Another weird idea in TLJ that comes as a issue from the lack of “master plan” while doing as is there was one: Poe is a hero in TFA destroying the Death S… heu… StarKiller Base and stuff, but now he’s left behind every single decision, making the mutiny subplot something quite ridiculous (good job admiral: you’re making a “great” plan without telling anything to the guy who’s a proactive soldier with a strong influence on your remaining troops !). So, “great line”… the Holdo thing is among the very bad parts of the movie. But plotwise there isn’t much to be done through fanediting on that matter (you can’t cut it because all actions are connected, à la TPM last act), only possible is removing the meta joke about “may the Force be with you”… the movie can still be improved on other stuff.

You keep saying there was a grand plan while making TFA that Johnson threw out for TLJ, but using Poe as an example is kind of shooting yourself in the foot…

…because Poe was supposed to die in the TIE fighter crash on Jakku until production on the film was well underway.

Not sure I’m shooting in anyone’s foot (not mine) but I started my post with

Another weird idea in TLJ that comes as a issue from the lack of “master plan”

I believe I’m saying the opposite for the Poe example who is some kind of hero in TFA and then a moron in TLJ, but nothing is gradual between TFA and TLJ (inner TLJ logic there is something gradual about Poe from start to end, but as a sequel it feels a little bit off from TFA to TLJ).

edit: but I like him more in TLJ, he’s just a super Wedge in TFA, even if the admiral subplot is weak, Poe as a character is better constructed in TLJ.

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

TK-422 said:

A minor continuity error I noticed is when Poe is speaking with Holdo for the first time. She says “It’s commander right? Wasn’t it Leia’s last official act of command to demote you? For your Dreadnought plan?”, but that wasn’t Leia’s last official act of command. Right before the bridge explodes she orders The Raddus to stay out of range of the First Order’s barrage and to have maximum rear shields or something like that. I know it could be explained that Holdo just forgot, but the order that’s keeping everyone alive seems like a pretty massive point to forget.

That line was especially annoying. A good leader shouldn’t be passive aggressive.

It’s a great line. You’re supposed to be somewhat skeptical of Holdo at first. And Poe was trying to pull a fast one by introducing himself as commander.

I feel like there could have been a better way of doing that. Especially since we’re supposed to think she was right the whole way through by the end.

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

TK-422 said:

A minor continuity error I noticed is when Poe is speaking with Holdo for the first time. She says “It’s commander right? Wasn’t it Leia’s last official act of command to demote you? For your Dreadnought plan?”, but that wasn’t Leia’s last official act of command. Right before the bridge explodes she orders The Raddus to stay out of range of the First Order’s barrage and to have maximum rear shields or something like that. I know it could be explained that Holdo just forgot, but the order that’s keeping everyone alive seems like a pretty massive point to forget.

That line was especially annoying. A good leader shouldn’t be passive aggressive.

It’s a great line. You’re supposed to be somewhat skeptical of Holdo at first. And Poe was trying to pull a fast one by introducing himself as commander.

I feel like there could have been a better way of doing that. Especially since we’re supposed to think she was right the whole way through by the end.

Well I was on her side from the start. I love Poe, but he was trying to lie to her. Sorry that passive aggressiveness doesn’t make me automatically hate a character.

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

TK-422 said:

A minor continuity error I noticed is when Poe is speaking with Holdo for the first time. She says “It’s commander right? Wasn’t it Leia’s last official act of command to demote you? For your Dreadnought plan?”, but that wasn’t Leia’s last official act of command. Right before the bridge explodes she orders The Raddus to stay out of range of the First Order’s barrage and to have maximum rear shields or something like that. I know it could be explained that Holdo just forgot, but the order that’s keeping everyone alive seems like a pretty massive point to forget.

That line was especially annoying. A good leader shouldn’t be passive aggressive.

It’s a great line. You’re supposed to be somewhat skeptical of Holdo at first. And Poe was trying to pull a fast one by introducing himself as commander.

I feel like there could have been a better way of doing that. Especially since we’re supposed to think she was right the whole way through by the end.

I feel like there could have been a better actress to play the part. I don’t find Laura Dern to be terribly convincing or engaging in much of anything she’s done.

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

TK-422 said:

A minor continuity error I noticed is when Poe is speaking with Holdo for the first time. She says “It’s commander right? Wasn’t it Leia’s last official act of command to demote you? For your Dreadnought plan?”, but that wasn’t Leia’s last official act of command. Right before the bridge explodes she orders The Raddus to stay out of range of the First Order’s barrage and to have maximum rear shields or something like that. I know it could be explained that Holdo just forgot, but the order that’s keeping everyone alive seems like a pretty massive point to forget.

That line was especially annoying. A good leader shouldn’t be passive aggressive.

It’s a great line. You’re supposed to be somewhat skeptical of Holdo at first. And Poe was trying to pull a fast one by introducing himself as commander.

I feel like there could have been a better way of doing that. Especially since we’re supposed to think she was right the whole way through by the end.

Sorry that passive aggressiveness doesn’t make me automatically hate a character.

Is that passive aggressiveness I detect?

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

TK-422 said:

A minor continuity error I noticed is when Poe is speaking with Holdo for the first time. She says “It’s commander right? Wasn’t it Leia’s last official act of command to demote you? For your Dreadnought plan?”, but that wasn’t Leia’s last official act of command. Right before the bridge explodes she orders The Raddus to stay out of range of the First Order’s barrage and to have maximum rear shields or something like that. I know it could be explained that Holdo just forgot, but the order that’s keeping everyone alive seems like a pretty massive point to forget.

That line was especially annoying. A good leader shouldn’t be passive aggressive.

It’s a great line. You’re supposed to be somewhat skeptical of Holdo at first. And Poe was trying to pull a fast one by introducing himself as commander.

I feel like there could have been a better way of doing that. Especially since we’re supposed to think she was right the whole way through by the end.

Sorry that passive aggressiveness doesn’t make me automatically hate a character.

Is that passive aggressiveness I detect?

ziggyonice said:

I’m late to the party here… but again, regarding Canto Bight…

Does anyone else have a problem with the whole “Rose hates rich people” element? Frankly, I would like to take some of the “real world” politics out of that sequence. I get it, war profiteering is bad, but do we really need a conversation about it in Star Wars?

I’d rather cut out that sequence, and never have Rose mention it.

I second this. It’s oddly detracting from a subplot that already detracts from the movie itself. “Political commentary,” if you want to call it that, feels cheap when it doesn’t say anything genuinely controversial or bold.

TiMartyn said:

ziggyonice said:

I’m late to the party here… but again, regarding Canto Bight…

Does anyone else have a problem with the whole “Rose hates rich people” element? Frankly, I would like to take some of the “real world” politics out of that sequence. I get it, war profiteering is bad, but do we really need a conversation about it in Star Wars?

I’d rather cut out that sequence, and never have Rose mention it.

I second this. It’s oddly detracting from a subplot that already detracts from the movie itself. “Political commentary,” if you want to call it that, feels cheap when it doesn’t say anything genuinely controversial or bold.

Yes. I’m generally not averse to political commentary in film if it’s done subtly or cleverly woven into the story. TLJ has the most ham-fisted political commentary I’ve seen in recent memory.

Unfortunately removing it also removes almost any further character development for Rose, which is why I left some of it my edit. I did remove the “Now it’s worth it” line, though. That was the worst.