Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy? — Page 3

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

I really liked Kylo Ren in both movies too, but TFA Kylo and TLJ Kylo feel like they’re not even the same incarnation of the character. I do love him in both TFA and TLJ though.

Really? I’m interested to hear why. I feel like his overall arc between two movies is compelling and really well bridged. Everything that motivates him and drives him seems consistent throughout and he plays it as such. I’ll admit that him in the Last Jedi is so much better than him in TFA, but mainly cause of the richer material that the character had to work with in the middle installment of the trilogy.

I was being a bit hyperbolic. Rian apparently decided to ignore the Vader wannabe aspect of the character, which was a major part of Kylo, so that kind of passes the message that he wanted to just not care as much about consistency to me.

I should rewatch TLJ and TFA maybe back to back once I get my TLJ Blu-ray and think more about the matter, but yeah, that’s mainly what I’m talkig about. I believe there’s more but I can’t think of anything right now.

He didn’t ignore that aspect at all, it’s a big part of his character in TLJ.

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

I really liked Kylo Ren in both movies too, but TFA Kylo and TLJ Kylo feel like they’re not even the same incarnation of the character. I do love him in both TFA and TLJ though.

Really? I’m interested to hear why. I feel like his overall arc between two movies is compelling and really well bridged. Everything that motivates him and drives him seems consistent throughout and he plays it as such. I’ll admit that him in the Last Jedi is so much better than him in TFA, but mainly cause of the richer material that the character had to work with in the middle installment of the trilogy.

I was being a bit hyperbolic. Rian apparently decided to ignore the Vader wannabe aspect of the character, which was a major part of Kylo, so that kind of passes the message that he wanted to just not care as much about consistency to me.

I should rewatch TLJ and TFA maybe back to back once I get my TLJ Blu-ray and think more about the matter, but yeah, that’s mainly what I’m talkig about. I believe there’s more but I can’t think of anything right now.

He didn’t ignore that aspect at all, it’s a big part of his character in TLJ.

I do recall two scenes where they address it - the first Snoke x Kylo scene, and the one where he destroys his helmet

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

I really liked Kylo Ren in both movies too, but TFA Kylo and TLJ Kylo feel like they’re not even the same incarnation of the character. I do love him in both TFA and TLJ though.

Really? I’m interested to hear why. I feel like his overall arc between two movies is compelling and really well bridged. Everything that motivates him and drives him seems consistent throughout and he plays it as such. I’ll admit that him in the Last Jedi is so much better than him in TFA, but mainly cause of the richer material that the character had to work with in the middle installment of the trilogy.

I was being a bit hyperbolic. Rian apparently decided to ignore the Vader wannabe aspect of the character, which was a major part of Kylo, so that kind of passes the message that he wanted to just not care as much about consistency to me.

I should rewatch TLJ and TFA maybe back to back once I get my TLJ Blu-ray and think more about the matter, but yeah, that’s mainly what I’m talkig about. I believe there’s more but I can’t think of anything right now.

He didn’t ignore that aspect at all, it’s a big part of his character in TLJ.

I do recall two scenes where they address it - the first Snoke x Kylo scene, and the one where he destroys his helmet

Which informs his later actions.

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I also disagree that TFA Kylo and TLJ Kylo feel any different, but I can’t say the same for Hux. Felt like they pulled a “Last Crusade” Marcus Brody on him for TLJ.

I guess I always preferred Brody in TLC too.

Really? Brody’s character assassination was always one of the big reasons why TLC was my least favorite (until Crystal Skull came along, that is).

ChainsawAsh said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I also disagree that TFA Kylo and TLJ Kylo feel any different, but I can’t say the same for Hux. Felt like they pulled a “Last Crusade” Marcus Brody on him for TLJ.

I guess I always preferred Brody in TLC too.

Really? Brody’s character assassination was always one of the big reasons why TLC was my least favorite (until Crystal Skull came along, that is).

I’ve always found it funny people felt that way. Just like Hux, he’s not much of a character in his first appearance, so I don’t mind the shift, and I don’t find it irreconcilable. All it does it to make the character more interesting and enjoyable (in my opinion).

Of course, Crusade is one of my all time favorites. I also think Crystal Skull is underrated, but that a whole other thing.

Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

I really liked Kylo Ren in both movies too, but TFA Kylo and TLJ Kylo feel like they’re not even the same incarnation of the character. I do love him in both TFA and TLJ though.

Really? I’m interested to hear why. I feel like his overall arc between two movies is compelling and really well bridged. Everything that motivates him and drives him seems consistent throughout and he plays it as such. I’ll admit that him in the Last Jedi is so much better than him in TFA, but mainly cause of the richer material that the character had to work with in the middle installment of the trilogy.

I was being a bit hyperbolic. Rian apparently decided to ignore the Vader wannabe aspect of the character, which was a major part of Kylo, so that kind of passes the message that he wanted to just not care as much about consistency to me.

I should rewatch TLJ and TFA maybe back to back once I get my TLJ Blu-ray and think more about the matter, but yeah, that’s mainly what I’m talkig about. I believe there’s more but I can’t think of anything right now.

He didn’t ignore that aspect at all, it’s a big part of his character in TLJ.

I do recall two scenes where they address it - the first Snoke x Kylo scene, and the one where he destroys his helmet

Which informs his later actions.

Those scenes are where Kylo stops being what everyone is afraid of/hopes he is (Vader’s Legacy, which he wasn’t very good at pretending to be) and becomes himself, which is actually a little bit closer to Vader than he was before. And, honestly, much scarier than his previous Vader-wannabe persona.

Everyone comparing him to Vader his whole life has made him into what he is now.

Exactly exactly. First it was Luke trying to make him not Vader, then Snoke trying to make him nuVader. What he does here is “kill the past,” and forges his own path.

The tone and pacing of the ST are absolutely spot-on for me, and those are far and away the most important aspects of a Star Wars viewing experience for me, so on the whole i’m a happy camper. My one major complaint is that the political situation is sketched too lightly. I’m an EU guy, so I’m personally well aware of what’s going on, but if I was just going off the movies I wouldn’t have any sense of that wider context.

NeverarGreat said:

The most satisfying aspect to the trilogy for me is the energy of this new cast. Finn and Poe escaping the Star Destroyer was more triumphant than anything in the prequels.

This too. I adore the new cast.

Favorite bits:

All of the new characters are fun and interesting and all of the old ones feel like proper continuations of their older selves.

Least favorite bits:

Superweapon in VII

darthrush said:

NeverarGreat said:

Jay said:

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The most satisfying aspect to the trilogy for me is the energy of this new cast. Finn and Poe escaping the Star Destroyer was more triumphant than anything in the prequels.

This scene really holds the test of time. The amount of pure fun, excitement, and sense of adventure really is something that The Force Awakens nailed. So at the end of the day, however many issues I take with the story and Rey’s character in the second half of the movie, I’ll be damned if it doesn’t recapture the power of Star Wars.

The Last Jedi recaptured the power as well and had an even more compelling story and character development.

Yeah, the chemistry of the actors is amazing! The Destroyer escape might be my favorite part of Episode VII! If they had just followed Poe and Finn on some epic adventure through the desert the movie would have been perfect!

Yeah, TFA is a really good movie.

But god I hope that Finn/Poe/Rose hang out in Ep. IX.

I think above everything the most disappointing aspect of the ST is just the huge wasted opportunity. We could have had anything but instead got an uninspired copy-and-paste job of the OT that’s inferior in just about every way. Now with Carrie gone and the way TFA and TLJ have been handled there’s no other direction to go in. Literally endless possibilities but this is what we got. Sad.

Most satisfying would be seeing Mark Hamill give a great performance… I guess? Just wish the actual character was handled better.

Yeah. TFA isn’t even a bad film, it’s fine as its own thing, but in context of the whole saga it’s just incredibly disappointing. They could have made it ‘feel’ like the OT without literally just redoing the OT. What’s the point of that? We already have the OT, we don’t need to see a modernised version of it.

Most disappointing aspect:
The Force Awakens. I don’t understand why so many like what is essentially SW 2.0, the FO is made up of what’s left of the Empire yet still has the resources to build a third Death Star about twenty times the size of the original, plus there’s a line of dialogue from Rose in Canto Bight which is “there’s only one job that can make you this wealthy in the Galaxy… Selling to the FO”. So, despite being reduced to a mere fraction of what once was the FO has apparently retained the Empire’s vast wealth. WTF?
I also didn’t like Finn being a total buffoon in TFA, and as for Rey, while I like her as a character I want you to imagine the following: picture a girl from a third world country who grew up in the slums scraping through garbage but guess what, she’s a capable hand-to-hand fighter, can fly aeroplanes, drive motorbikes and is pretty knowledgeable in mechanical engineering. Congratulations, you just pictured Rey, and her being so skilled at just about everything is what annoys me the most.

fmalover said:

Most disappointing aspect:
The Force Awakens. I don’t understand why so many like what is essentially SW 2.0, the FO is made up of what’s left of the Empire yet still has the resources to build a third Death Star about twenty times the size of the original, plus there’s a line of dialogue from Rose in Canto Bight which is “there’s only one job that can make you this wealthy in the Galaxy… Selling to the FO”. So, despite being reduced to a mere fraction of what once was the FO has apparently retained the Empire’s vast wealth. WTF?
I also didn’t like Finn being a total buffoon in TFA, and as for Rey, while I like her as a character I want you to imagine the following: picture a girl from a third world country who grew up in the slums scraping through garbage but guess what, she’s a capable hand-to-hand fighter, can fly aeroplanes, drive motorbikes and is pretty knowledgeable in mechanical engineering. Congratulations, you just pictured Rey, and her being so skilled at just about everything is what annoys me the most.

A huge problem with the ST is so many of these issues are explained through expanded universe material (books. comics, etc.) and are often the scapegoats used to defend the films.

The problem with that is that films should stand on their own and not rely on outside sources to fix their problems.

The storytelling of the ST is fundamentally broken, I do not understand how anybody can sit there and call the ST good storytelling. It’s just lazy and contrived.

moviefreakedmind said:

I’ve not once heard anyone use expanded universe work to explain the ST. I heard it all the time when people would defend the PT, but never for the ST.

A common complaint for the ST is that it doesn’t make sense that the FO has all these resources and that it doesn’t make sense that the Republic and the Resistance are separate, while the Resistance is still being funded by the Republic. I really don’t feel like going in-depth with the ST story details because I really don’t like talking about them, but there are common complaints that are addressed in other material.

joefavs said:

The tone and pacing of the ST are absolutely spot-on for me, and those are far and away the most important aspects of a Star Wars viewing experience for me, so on the whole i’m a happy camper. My one major complaint is that the political situation is sketched too lightly. I’m an EU guy, so I’m personally well aware of what’s going on, but if I was just going off the movies I wouldn’t have any sense of that wider context.

NeverarGreat said:

The most satisfying aspect to the trilogy for me is the energy of this new cast. Finn and Poe escaping the Star Destroyer was more triumphant than anything in the prequels.

This too. I adore the new cast.

This is pretty much how I feel.