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The Last Jedi : a Fan Edit Ideas thread — Page 36

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If one could completely remove Phasma without those section/scenes looking chopped and pasted together or appear “off,” that would be cool to see.

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jarbear said:

If one could completely remove Phasma without those section/scenes looking chopped and pasted together or appear “off,” that would be cool to see.

If you show them running towards the shuttle and then the shuttle leaving, it’s not choppy at all. Quite smooth actually. I’m not incorporating the deleted scene so I can’t speak for that but removing the Phasma fight is very seamless and flows well in my opinion.

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That part is not the issue, it would be all the scenes before that would be difficult. When the crew is caught, betrayed, etc.

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I played with it myself with really awful editing software and it was pretty seamless (well, as seamless as I could get with software that wasn’t frame accurate) other than one shot. If I was able to properly crop it, it would have been better. This is where a 4K source would do wonders.

It required a bit of audio work, I had to repeat some of the troopers footsteps and insults to go over the start of her lines, maybe I’ll post what I had.

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darthrush said:

jarbear said:

That part is not the issue, it would be all the scenes before that would be difficult. When the crew is caught, betrayed, etc.

Ok this makes more sense. My proposal is simply to remove the fight. I haven’t even touched trying to remove her entirely which I agree is pretty difficult.

Totally understand where you are coming from, I was definitely not directing the criticism directly at you … just thinking of the whole thing with Phasma. I think most people here agree to try and get rid of her since it was pretty pointless in the original edit to bring her back.

Granted, it would even add more to the pointlessness to have her there during the capture, betrayal and execution scene and then have her “killed off” from the explosion with the other troops.

If it can be done in a polished way to completely remove her, that would be wonderful!

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There may be a way to use the audiobook to expand some scenes.

For example, TFA has more Snoke dialogue and exposition about his motivations and character, used here to expand a scene where he talks to Kylo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP-hJQyHpV8

Perhaps a similar idea can be used with TLJ.

Speaking of voiceovers, I believe the Disney Infinities video game line uses some voice actors from TFA. There may be some sources of dialogue there too.

On a different note, perhaps there would be a way to combine some of the dialogue from the Phasma deleted scene with the current scene. The unfinished scene’s SFX make it hard to use, but maybe some splicing could make it work.

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lorang said:

This is my take on the deleted Finn elevator scene
https://youtu.be/J1y3WY8Fzq8

I still think this is the best edit of the elevator scene. Instead of silly humor, it adds to the tension to what they are doing … keeps you on the edge of your seat.

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I thought everyone should take a look at something that a man named Ivan Ortega is undertaking. He is completely reworking the Kylo/Luke duel and him and his friend will be dressing up as them and making it an actual fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko6Rp98lraI

There he explains the idea. They will paint Luke and Kylo out of some of the wide shots and then use those as the landscape for which to put themselves onto after they film themselves fighting in the garb of Luke and Kylo. It will intercut with the real film footage as well.

I am curious to see how it turns out in the end and you can head over to his youtube channel to leave feedback. He has had several updates since his first video concerning the fight.

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He has the fighting skills and the Kylo look going for him, which is nice. It’ll be fun to see how it ends up.

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I am curious about how seamlessly it can be implemented … I know a lot of people wished for a stronger duel between Ben and Luke.

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Yeah, I really hope it works out. I contacted him about joining the forums and he might do so. That would be nice since maybe we could help along the way. If they get the costumes right and the look, then all that is needed is solid execution and the vfx work.

If they fight in front of a green screen, that maybe is what would be the best option?

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The AT makes more sense since all the TIEs left to attack the Falcon … they really hate that ship…

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I have seen some pretty interesting variants on the Finn’s suicide run sequence, and darthrush’s recent work (which I really like) got me thinking of some other alternatives. I might eventually try one of these but it might be useful to someone on here as well.

My motivation for the alternatives is that I kind of feel that we need to see Rose get injured and carried back to the base, because it might be noticeable to not to see her at all in the last ten~ minutes of the film. So these options retain that.

In darthrush’s version, he has Finn getting shot by an AT-M6 right before he makes it there. It looks very good! This first idea is an addition to that idea. Before we see Finn make his run, one could possibly construct a moment where Rose also gets shot down by an AT-M6. Several other ships get shot down before Poe orders them to retreat, so you could use one of those shots, and a reaction shot of Rose to help sell it.

After Finn gets shot down, he runs back to go find her (and see if she’s dead). He finds her, and this is optional I guess, but I think you could keep the kiss in this moment. They failed their mission, all hope seems loss, and Rose probably thinks they’ll die, so I can understand why she would feel compelled to have one last kiss. And I think it would flow well into the “all hope is lost” speech Leia gives less than a minute later. The only other thing I think would help sell this idea would be to add some kind of reaction from Poe or Finn to Rose getting shot down.

Another option would still retain Rose being the one to knock Finn out of the way. I definitely think shortening his approach to help alleviate the expectation of his death would help, and I know people have or will be attempting this. To help improve Rose’s motivation, though, I think it would be interesting to move the moment she looks at her necklace and touches it to right before she goes back to stop Finn in order to set that up.

This could give the impression that Rose feels if she could save Finn, then in a way, it would be like she was saving her sister. Saving what she loves. It would be nice if you could have the cannon fire almost as soon as they get knocked out of the way, too, to show that he really would’ve failed, but I’m not sure how possible that is. Personally, I think you could cut all of her lines and just have her be unconscious in this version. Or just keep the “saving what you love” line, and maybe the kiss. If you really wanted to keep those things.

This idea could be used for either as well, but I also think adding some kind of red, dusty particle effect to a lot of those shots could help imply that maybe they were able to make it back the base because they were almost concealed by the red dust in the air.

Anyway, just some thoughts.

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Those are some very well thought out ideas RogueLeader. Here is my idea that I thought of:

Firstly, I like the pacing of moving from Finn getting out of his speeder to Kylo telling them to advance inwards. Losing all the stuff with Finn rushing to Rose and getting kissed keeps everything moving and at a nice dark tone. Now the issue with this is we still need to see Finn come back to the base. Here is my very simple solution that I honestly think would work.

You see Finn drag Rose into the base but cut away right before Finn says “She’s hurt pretty bad” and there’s a close up of who it is. Instead you see Finn rushing in with an injured solider, and him calling for a medic. You then can assume that Finn has now returned and brought with him an injured solider.

One nice thing about this thematically is that it shows not only that Finn has completed his arc by making the run on the cannon, but also that he still cares about saving what he loves. Now his arc in the Last Jedi feels like it was earned and resolved. Finn learns to value what truly is important and to save what he love. And if that means destroying the cannon then so be it. And if that works out, he’ll pick up an injured solider while he’s at it.

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That could work too! Are you going to try this with your edit, darth?

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Sometimes there are things you cannot cut/edit in a smooth way… I am curios to see though any efforts!

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I’m sure someone has mentioned this already, but I saw some people online talking about a continuity error in the Rey/Kylo Ren vs Preatorian guard battle. At 1:47:14, the beginning of the shot where the dagger guard gets Rey in a locked position, the guard has both daggers still, but suddenly, within the same shot, the the left dagger disappears as soon as it passes from view behind Rey’s back. It’s just gone.

You can see it at 2:27 in this clip. https://youtu.be/7rowkMpohoY?t=143

My assumption is that during the editing process, one of the editors pointed out how the guard could have just stabbed Rey in the back with the other dagger while he/she had her stuck. When they did the choreography and when they were shooting, they probably overlooked it because they had gone through it so many times and those kind of things just become less obvious after repetition. So they did the least amount of work, which was rotoscope it out as soon as it leaves direct view.

I can sympathize with the editors and the vfx people, but now that I’ve seen it I can’t unsee it. I’m just really surprised they didn’t even at least remove it from the whole shot. I mean, there’s no way to explain it disappearing within the film. If they had taken it out of the whole shot, you could at least say that maybe Rey had cut through one of the daggers or something in between shots.

I’m just curious if anyone felt this would be a worthy fix, to rotoscope it out of the first half of the shot. It lasts about a second, so 23ish frames? In the previous shot with Rey and the dagger guard, you see them fighting in the distance behind Kylo Ren, and it would be cool if one could even make it look like Rey cut through one of them (maybe a flash and see it falling, for example) at that moment. In that shot she strikes both the left-hand dagger and the right-hand dagger, and if you had her cut through the left dagger, it also would be about 23 frames or less of work.