The Last Jedi: Legendary (Released) — Page 7

Don’t want to be that guy, but you’ve removed the humor entirely, so now it’s kind of a weird moment the doesn’t totally track - Poe says he has an urgent message, Hux rambles, then Poe just goes in for the attack. Surely there’s a way to at least keep some of Poe’s “who talks first” personality here while also making it clear that he’s the one trying to stall, and not just conveniently getting Hux to do that for him?

Of course, I don’t have a dog in this hunt, you’re free to do what you please. Just trying to be constructive.

This is more or less how I wanted to do this scene, however Dom has a point. I think to sell it, you need to cut to the “loading bar” a little sooner to show that Poe is only letting Hux ramble to stall him.

Personally speaking, I still much prefer this version to the film, to me it’s as if Poe wanted to communicate and Hux’s “no terms, no surrender” cuts that short. Although the dialogue looks good on paper DZ-330 I think the amount of cuts and score variations in that order would be tricky to manage.

If there were a hint of confusion as to why Poe seems to just attack, perhaps a extraction and reinsertion of Poe’s second “happy beeps” could be placed in between Hux’s end of first monologue and the X-Wing charging up?

This would almost be Poe’s version or Han’s “this is not how I thought today was going to go” from TFA.

Either way, Rian Johnson’s version really is jarring to me and I like this choice a lot better.

Hal 9000 said:

I see your point, Dom. I’ll retool this when I am able and see if it’d be as seamless to retain a bit more of Poe.

I’d like to remove the analogy of a telephone call if possible, and have it be a somewhat dry thing on Poe’s part. Hux starts rambling, and Poe says a very minimal amount, just to keep Hux rambling.

Idea:
“This is Commander Poe Dameron of the Republic fleet, I have an urgent communique for General Hux.”
“Patch him through. This is Hux of the First Order. Tell your precious princess there will be no terms, cut to cockpit for a moment no surrender.”
“Hux?”
"This is Hux. You and your friends are doomed, we will wipe your filth from the galaxy."
Loading complete “BB8, punch it!”

I appreciate the feedback. I do like this version,

Sounds perfect, maybe before he says BB8 Punch it throw in the “okay, I’ll hold” to keep just a little bit of the humor but not much.

Yeah, that plays a little better I think.

I think I like the previous version better. The new version retains too much of the “Hux being made fun of” joke. Both are still way better than the theatrical version, but the shortest version is my favorite.

With that said, I also agree that a wrong move on TLJ would be to remove all jokes. Some are needed (now, which ones are the good ones… to each his own ! 😃). But here, the opening sequence is dramatic, even a slight bit of joke is still too much IMHO.

Without Poe clearly “tooling” with Hux and stalling for time (and no jokes) the sequence becomes pretty pointless. Why would Poe then talk to Hux in the first place?

Here’s how natedeug cut it, I think I prefer this to what you did:
https://vimeo.com/262974404

pass: fanedit

I’m into the idea of having two versions. Personally, I’m a sucker for “extended editions” regardless of how the pace is impacted as long as I actually like the extended bits (which in this case, I mostly do).

Also, the scene of Poe that Ridley posted is definitely my favorite so far. The SNL bits almost have to be there for it to feel worthwhile. Otherwise, I think simply keeping the cockiness of Poe is the way to go.

Hal 9000 said:

https://vimeo.com/262980651
password: fanedit

Here’s the first instance of caretaker removal. I just might end up doing two versions: one with deleted scenes and one without, since I think their inclusion is dubious even if they were fully polished, which they aren’t. I like a few of them quite a bit, but I understand why they were cut and they aren’t 100% presentable.
If I don’t use the Rey caretaker party scene, I think the caretakers’ only plot related role would be lost and they’d be more effective on the cutting room floor. The tone of the Luke/Rey thread would be improved IMHO, since there’d be no real payoff to their presence anymore.

This could work well, but the only problem is that we lose the clear snap-back-to-reality/no-longer-in-force-trance moment that you get with the caretakers. I also personally love the caretaker party scene and think it does a lot for character motivations.

I’d say it’s important to keep some humor there, it’s necessary to establish the tone of the film upfront (that is, assuming you don’t cut out all the comedy throughout). Either way, it emphasizes that this is a harebrained “heroic” scheme on Poe’s part, which, combined with the lightheartedness that contrasts with the ultimately rather tragic end of the sequence, establishes Poe’s arc for the film.

All of which is to say, the second clip you posted.

DominicCobb said:

the tone of the film

A movie where Luke dies has the tone of a comedy ? Not sure about the “tone” angle here.

MalàStrana said:

DominicCobb said:

the tone of the film

A movie where Luke dies has the tone of a comedy ? Not sure about the “tone” angle here.

I mean, if you want to cut out all the humor throughout the movie and make it into a very dreary and heavy film, that’s one thing. But if you’re leaving in much of the humor throughout, then it’s important to establish upfront that, while these are very dramatic circumstances with some big powerful moments, this is still a fun Star Wars movie with moments of levity here and there. A film’s tone doesn’t have to be monotonous.